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tammyo
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Posted: 23 Jul 2008 02:22 pm |
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I feel it?óÔé¼Ôäós my responsibility to let you all know of my recent experience with Native Healing Ways out of TN & SC. I am new to the HCG diet and decided to try the online ordering of preloaded syringes self injection. But $350 for 6 wk program, plus the initial $149 start up fee, is a lot of money for me, so I thought I was smart in ordering the first week?óÔé¼Ôäós dosage and planning on reordering by mid week, the rest of the 6 week dosage, if I felt it really would work, like I?óÔé¼Ôäóve heard. So I started, exactly following the diet/program, and it worked ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ I did lose 11 pounds the first week (including 6 lbs I gained from gorging). So I reordered the 6 week supply in time to continue into week 2. Well, this 2nd batch didn?óÔé¼Ôäót work. The energy wasn?óÔé¼Ôäót there and the appetite suppressant wasn?óÔé¼Ôäót there ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ it was quite noticeable to me. I consulted with NHW, even the owner, Noka Noble, and they would insist that there isn?óÔé¼Ôäót such thing as a ?óÔé¼?ôbad batch?óÔé¼?Ø. I gave it 3 weeks continuing to take this 2nd shipment of serum, following the very restrictive diet, only I ate approximately 1000 calories per day(couldn?óÔé¼Ôäót keep it below that), and I mostly had no energy, and I eventually lost 1 pound in 3 weeks. From all I?óÔé¼Ôäóve read, that is not how it?óÔé¼Ôäós supposed to work. I guess I have no choice but to write it off as a big loss of at least $350 ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ that?óÔé¼Ôäós hard! But at least I can warn other people. I have ordered the sealed HCG from drugdelivery.ca and the mixing kit, and will start over the diet ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ I feel this should work like I?óÔé¼Ôäóve read about it working for so many people! Any comments are appreciated. Good Luck.
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Another Day
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Posted: 23 Jul 2008 02:40 pm |
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Tammyo,
The problem with diets like that is that they starve out your body. As soon as your body starts being starved out, your body does everything it can to lower your metabolism. Let me put it this way:
If your body needs 1900 calories to stay at current weight, and you cut down to 1200 calories, you have a 700 caloric deficit. Every 3500 calories equals roughly one pound, so if you lose 700 calories x 7 days, thats 4900 calories or a pound and a half.
So when you starve yourself out, you begin to lose weight, but your body is designed to fight off starvation or risk death, so your body begins to lower your metabolism. When you starve your body out, your body starts cannibalizing your muscles, burning them for energy, because muscles are expensive to maintain calorie-wise, and a good source of energy. It then begins restricting oxygen and bloodflow to various organs, making you feel exhausted and tired as you have less energy. In the process, your body begins to adapt to your drastic cut in calories.
Pretty soon, you have no energy. You feel weaker, your muscles are sore, and you're constantly tired (so that your body sleeps more, moves less, to burn fewer calories per day). As a result, your body's metabolic rate adjusted from 1900 calories to stay at current weight to the 1200 calories that you are eating. As a result, you don't lose any more weight, your body has now adjusted, and at the expense of your health.
Stay away from starvation diets. The weight loss is mostly water weight and muscle. Fat is often a smaller portion of the weight lost. If you want to lose weight, you need to have diet and exercise. Don't eat too little, rather, exercise more.
So, if you need 1900 calories a day to maintain your body, cut back to 1700 calories a day, and exercise for another 400 calories (40 minutes on a treadmill). This way, your body burns 2300 calories, you eat 1700 calories, so you maintain a 600 calorie deficit without ruining your health.
Its a much safer and better long-lasting type of weight loss.
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tammyo
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Posted: 23 Jul 2008 02:48 pm |
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Dear Another Day,
Thank you for your comments. The diet I am referring to is the HCG diet. Are you familiar with it? This is in no way a starvation diet, as the HCG releases approximately 2000 calories into your body daily. That is why, if the serum dosage is correct, you do not feel hungry on 500-700 calories, and you have much energy. I know first-hand that it does work, I just received a bad batch from my previous supplier. If you're not familier with the diet, you may want to research it.
tammyo
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 23 Jul 2008 10:53 pm |
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Tammyo:
I am familiar with the HCG diet, and it has some very fundamental flaws:
1.) It has some nasty possible side effects:
An allergic reaction (difficulty breathing; closing of the throat; swelling of the lips, tongue, or face; or hives);
Pain, warmth, redness, numbness, or tingling in an arm or leg (which may indicate a blood clot); or
Confusion, severe dizziness, or severe headache (which may indicate a blood clot in the head).
A small percentage of female patients treated with HCG have developed the ovarian hyperstimulation syndrome (OHSS), especially after the first cycle of therapy. Symptoms of OHSS include severe pelvic pain, swelling of the hands or legs, abdominal pain and swelling, shortness of breath, weight gain, low urine output, diarrhea, and nausea or vomiting. OHSS can be fatal. Notify your doctor immediately or seek emergency medical attention if you develop any of these symptoms.
2.) I would like for you to consider something:
I read one online story about this one lady who lost a load of weight with HCG. Then, a year or so later, she lost even more. Then later, she lost even more!!! Each time she lost, however, she was happy with the results, at the time, but she likewise gained the weight back.
HCG is a naturally occuring substance in the body, but it is not intended to be used as a dietery supplement. Just like many other fads, it can give you weight loss that comes at a hefty price - loss of muscle and possibly vital organ damage.
Most people I've read about who have used HCG as a supplement have had difficulty in the beginning with being hungry. However, many have claimed that the hunger pains have subsided. This is very possible. It's called STARVATION mode, where you body adjusts to low-calorie diets and responds accordingly. It doesn't matter how many calories HCG puts in your body, because it's not supposed to be there! The body doesn't create HCG to tackle fat. It's a natural substance used in an unnatural way.
We all make our own decisions, but I just don't understand why some people choose to take the easy way out, especially with the dangers involved. There is no proven way to lose weight the right way and keep it off except with proper diet and exercise, and I've never met anyone who couldn't lose weight with this method. As I've said before, some of us have to work harder than others, but that just makes our efforts all the more noteworthy. 
Just be careful. Good health to you. 
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Another Day
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 12:05 pm |
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Hi Tammyo,
I'm not familiar with HCG, but everything you wrote in your post showed all the signs of a starvation diet. Nick's personal experience with HCG fills in the missing details.
There are some calories that, entering into your system, are not properly consumed by it and don't contribute to your strength or vital organs. Even with 2k of HCG in your system, you simply ate 2k of filler, and only 500-700 real calories. This is, in every way of the word, a starvation diet. Be careful with this type of dieting, your body is not getting the necessary nutrients it needs, and your weight loss is coming not from fat loss but from organ and muscle loss.
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katiepen
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 02:42 pm |
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Another Day
I'm sorry but you are speaking out of no knowledge or experience with the hcg protocol. It is not filler that the hcg gives you, it releases 2000 calories a day of adipose fat and that along with the 500 calories a day that you are eating nourishes your body. This is not a starvation diet and none of the symptoms of a starvation diet occur. If you did any research you would know that the studies show that the loss of weight when on the hcg protocol comes from fat and not muscle.
And Crimsonanimus
Here you are again talking and talking about something that you have no personal knowledge of. Again the side effects of hcg that you are quoting relate to the very large doses that are used in fertility treatment not the minute doses of hcg used in this protocol.
And as for the woman that is doing round after round of hcg to lose weight and then gaining it back. She is not following the protocol which is 4 phases. Only phase 2 contains the hcg shots. Phase 3 resets the hypothymus and Phase 4 is for lifetime. Obvoiusly she is not finishing phases 3 & 4 and like anything that works, it only works if you do it right.
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tammyo
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Posted: 24 Jul 2008 04:38 pm |
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| Thank you Katiepen for giving some more of the details. I saw that you were a member here and was hoping you would see my post. I've read your posts on these forums and know that you are knowledgeable. It sure does strike me odd when someone refers to this diet as the easy way. This restricted diet is not easy, except maybe if the HCG serum is working! I totally felt it my first week, and definetely felt the difference for the next 3 weeks, with the different batch of serum, where I lost 1 lb in 3 weeks. Have you heard much of this happening? I'm sure a lot of people mix there own serum from sealed HCG powder (I have ordered it). I will be starting over the beginning of Sept - it will be serious business for me. I am only 4'11" and 195 lbs and 50 years old. I will be starting back into my weight training program (I've found that I really like that).
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Another Day
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 12:59 am |
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katiepen wrote: It is not filler that the hcg gives you, it releases 2000 calories a day of adipose fat
This is not a starvation diet and none of the symptoms of a starvation diet occur.
If you did any research you would know that the studies show that the loss of weight when on the hcg protocol comes from fat and not muscle.
- Adipose fat contains no nourishment, only calories to be expended for energy.
- All her symptoms from Week 2 point to starvation diet. (no energy, reduced weight loss.)
- How about you do the research then?
Here's my research:
American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: 1976
http://archinte.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/abstract/137/2/151
"Mean weight loss in the HCG-treated group was nearly identical to that achieved by women given the placebo."
Journal of the American Medical Association: 1977
http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/29/9/940
"Twenty of 25 in the HCG and 21 of 26 patients in the placebo groups completed 28 injections. There was no statistically significant difference in the means of the two groups in number of injections received, weight loss, percent of weight loss, hip and waist circumference, weight loss per injections, or in hunger ratings. HCG does not appear to enhance the effectiveness of a rigidly imposed regimen for weight reduction."
British Journal of Clinical Pharmacology: 1995
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8527285?dopt=Abstract
"We conclude that there is no scientific evidence that HCG is effective in the treatment of obesity; it does not bring about weight-loss of fat-redistribution, nor does it reduce hunger or induce a feeling of well-being."
South African Medical Journal: 1990
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2405506?dopt=Abstract
Subjects receiving HCG injections showed no advantages over those on placebo in respect of any of the variables recorded. Furthermore, weight loss on our diet was similar to that on severely restricted intake.
WebMD: 2007 (Review of The Weight Loss Cure 'They' Don't Want You to Know About by serial conman Kevin Trudeau)
http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/weight-loss-cure-dont-want-you-to-know?page=3
Phase 2 is the weight loss phase, and includes daily injections of hCG -- human chorionic gonadotropin, a hormone found in the urine of pregnant women. This aspect of the program is unusually challenging, since hCG injections are not approved for weight loss treatment in the U.S. Thus it's almost impossible to find a health care provider willing to do the injections.
"Scientific studies have demonstrated that hCG injections do not cause weight loss, and regulatory actions by the Federal Trade Commission and Food and Drug Administration (FDA) have curbed their use in the United States," says Quack Watch.org owner and director Stephen Barrett, MD.
In fact, now that I've done the research, I'm even more confident that hCG is a load of #%@&! designed to steal your money. Tell me, Katie, were you introduced to hCG via convicted felon Kevin Trudeau's informercials that are constantly on TV? If so, I recommend you take your own advice and do some research yourself.
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Another Day
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 01:07 am |
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Oh wow did I hit the nail on the head, Katiepen's first post on the forum:
katiepen wrote: Talia 2 - Do your research. Have you tried the hcg shots? Those side effects do not apply to the very low doses of hcg used for weight loss. I am so amazed by all the people who talk about something that they've never tried. If you don't have the strength to try it then don't but don't talk about something that you don't understand or have any personal knowledge.
I lost 30 pounds the first time I used the hcg, and no I didn't grow any dark hair or any other side effect. Actually the side effect I did have was that I felt great and I was full of energy. Unfortunately I gained the weight back because I didn't follow the phase 3 & 4 outlined in Kevin Trudeau's book, The Weight Loss Cure They Don't Want You To Know About. I have friends who did the shots right after me (and no still no weird hair growth) and they have maintained their weight loss because they completed phase 3 and live their lives following phase 4. This time I've lost 13 pounds in 8 days so far and this time I'm going to keep the weight off by finishing phase 3 and living phase 4.
By the way, Katie, if you would like more advice from the convicted felon who has been sued numerous times by the FTC for making false statements and has had to settle several multi-million dollar lawsuits for his fraudulent infomercials, then Kevin Trudeau has a few more things he'd like to teach you:
- How to Make $10,000 per Month as a Certified Memory Master.
- How to Remember Everything in Your Past
- Advanced Mega Memory
- Never Forget Another Name
- Kevin Trudeau's Mega Memory : How to Release Your Superpower Memory in 30 Minutes Or Less a Day
- Lose 30 Pounds in 30 Days! The Weight Loss Secrets "They" Don't Want You to Know About.
- Natural Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About.
- More Natural "Cures" Revealed : Previously Censored Brand Name Products That Cure Disease.
- The Weight Loss Cure "They" Don't Want You to Know About.
- Debt Cures "They" Don't Want You to Know About.
And thats not even everything. What a great guy, he can teach you to make $10k a month as a "certified memory master," he can teach you photographic memory (in 30 minutes or less a day), he can teach you to lose 30 pounds in 30 days, he has natural cures for cancer that "they" don't want you to know about, he has debt cures that "they" don't want you to know about, he has the cure for baldness, he has techniques for breaking addictions, he has techniques to teach you to read 20x as fast, he has techniques to improve your mental calculations to the point where they are better than an actual calculator.
If you ask him nicely, he even has a bridge to sell you.
Are you aware Trudeau is banned by the FTC from selling any products because he has engaged in fraud against consumers so many times? The only reason he can still sell stuff on TV is because he now sells books, which is considered speech, and, therefore, protected by the first amendment. This guy is the biggest hoax on the planet.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN5ihrECJms
Last edited on 25 Jul 2008 02:35 am by Another Day
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 04:07 am |
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Thank you, Another Day! Good man.
tammyo wrote: It sure does strike me odd when someone refers to this diet as the easy way.
I referred to it as "the easy way" because you are looking to achieve the results you want in a short period of time. Did you gain the weight at the same pace you plan to lose it? I don't imagine so.
I just can't fathom why anyone would risk such serious effects just to lose weight at a rapid pace. The more quickly you lose the weight, the greater your chances of putting it back on. That's a proven fact.
And regardless of what katiepen the "mega marketer" might tell you, there are side effects associated with HCG, even at low dosages. There is not ONE single diet regimen that has no side effects. Even losing it the right way can have side effects. No matter how many precautions you take, or how accurately you follow the protocol, there are always risks.
And honestly, I want to hear what you all who resorted to HCG have ACTUALLY done to try to lose weight the right way first. Did you even REALLY try at all?
I was 359 pounds at the beginning of this year. 359 POUNDS! I was completely sedentary, and even walking up the stairs was a chore. I ate whatever I wanted with reckless abandon, and had no regard for my health at all.
Yet, I broke out of that mold. I am down to 254 pounds today, and I do 7.5-9 hours of moderate cardio a week, cycling between 54-66 miles per week, as well as walking between 22.5-27 miles a week. I eat a very strict and healthy diet, and am finally starting to acquire a decent sense of self-worth.
If I can accomplish what I have so far, a complete 360, and maintain it the way I have, ANYBODY can. I worked my butt off to get here, and will continue to do so.
Our bodies are designed to benefit from healthy eating and regular exercise. Anything else goes against nature, and HCG especially fits into that category. If you want to risk that just to take the quick route, then that's up to you - just expect that there is good chance you will not keep the weight off, and that your body might very well be worse for the wear.
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katiepen
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 12:18 pm |
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CrimsonAnimus
You are so extremely offensive, why do you have so much distaste for people who have found a solution to their personal weight problems in a different way then you. It is so insulting to say I bet you didn't even try hard enough. You have no idea how hard I've tried. and calling me a mega marketer. As I've stated before I have no personal gain from talking about this therapy. It has been a lifesaver for me and I'm excited about how it has given me my life back and I love to reach out and share with others that are trying to find a lifetime solution to their weight problem. And yes, I stumbled after I first did this protocol but I learned from that and so it was just part of my path. And you have no idea how much peace I have about food right now. I haven't had that in 40 years.
As for Kevin Trudeau, I don't care what the ftc says about him. I'm sure some of it has some truth and I'm sure that some of it is part of our corrupt government trying to protect big business who lines their pockets. At any rate my only care about him is that he wrote a book reporting on a Weight Loss Protocol that was developed by DOCTOR Simeon. He brought this protocol that has been used since the 50's underground out into the open. It's not Kevin Trudeau's protocol. Did he write the book to make money, well I'm sure that you expect to be paid for your job. I'm just grateful that he brought Dr. Simeons Weight Loss Protocol out into the open. It has been a godsend for me.
If you want to ignore the other information in his book about our food supply, the food industry and what they are doing to our food to make us addicted and more and more obese then go ahead and bury your head in the sand. You will be destined to stay in this struggle with food and weight for the rest of your life. I suspect that is why you are so unpleasant.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 25 Jul 2008 11:59 pm |
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katiepen wrote:You are so extremely offensive, why do you have so much distaste for people who have found a solution to their personal weight problems in a different way then you. It is so insulting to say I bet you didn't even try hard enough. You have no idea how hard I've tried. and calling me a mega marketer.
First of all, I called you a "mega marketer", because that is how you come across, especially with this statement that you made in another thread:
And I have the best research for myself, I have done it, I have many friends who have done it and have had wonderful results and no side effects, well other then being full of energy and having total body reshaping without drugs or surgery. Now that's a side effect that I can handle.
No offense, but this sounds like a commercial. Real people have real struggles, and all you want to seem to talk about is the good part. I'm not saying that there are not benefits, but not stating the disadvantages along with them makes you sound like you are just posting here to promote HCG for your own gain.
Also, don't misjudge me by saying I have so much distaste for people who have tried HCG. The only reason I even posted in the HCG threads, as I said before, is to inform people of the whole process, so that they can make informed decisions. I have distaste for people like you who come here to promote a miracle product that is perfect in every way and that no one could possibly ever have a problem with if done correctly. I'm all for personal choice, but you refuse to acknowledge any possible negative aspect of HCG for anybody, which again, makes it seem like you have no real regard for the well-being of others. If that's not the case, I apologize, but you need to do your research and get a clue.
As far as my statement about people not trying hard enough, I notice that you did not state what you had tried to do before using HCG, which leads me to believe that you either really didn't try very hard at all or didn't give it enough time. Either way, you should be respectful enough to state that, rather than promote HCG as the only possible way for some people to lose weight.
katiepen wrote:
If you want to ignore the other information in his book about our food supply, the food industry and what they are doing to our food to make us addicted and more and more obese then go ahead and bury your head in the sand. You will be destined to stay in this struggle with food and weight for the rest of your life. I suspect that is why you are so unpleasant.
I'm quite aware of what the food industry is doing, thank you. Unlike some people, I actually do research about my health. That is why I stay away from soda, fast food, artificial ingredients, trans fat, corn syrup and high fructose corn syrup, etc., which tear our bodies down. However, just because the general food industry offers us these things does not mean that we have to eat them. Ultimately, our health is our own responsibility.
Katiepen, do you not think I've considered things like HCG? I have, but elected not to use them, because I don't want to subject my body to the risks, and I also don't want to take the easy way out. If I was going to do that, I'd have already went and had a gastric bypass or the like. Once again, though, you misjudge my position on HCG, along with other processes that defy the norm. I've made it clear that it's not for me, but I'm not responsible for anyone's health but my own, as are we all. It is my sincere hope that you will do some more research into HCG and acknowledge both its strengths and its weaknesses, even for your own sake if no one else's.
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katiepen
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Posted: 26 Jul 2008 11:08 am |
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CrimsonAnimus
I come on these forums to share my experience with hcg, to get support with my process and to help support any other person who is also doing the hcg protocol. Not to promote anything. I have nothing to gain. If I sound enthusiastic, like a "commercial" it's because that is how I feel about how positive this experience has been for me and how much it has changed my life. I have not experienced any negative side effects nor have I seen any of my friends who have done this experience any side effects so that is not my experience to share. Nor have you. As you have not done the hcg protocol or have anybody that you personally know done this protocol and experienced negative effects, you do not have that experience to share. My experience with hcg has been very positive, my health better then it has ever been and it has put me on a path to very healthy eating that will keep me here for the rest of my life.
I was glad to read that you have some idea of healthy eating as most people don't. I am surprised that you love to bash Kevin Trudeau so much because whatever his past this is the kind of eating that he is out there promoting and frankly most people don't know how dangerous our food supply has become. Although I didn't hear you say anything about organics which is ultra important. We can't consume pesticide ridden food that doesn't even have the nutrients that it is supposed to have due to the soil depletion of commercial farming, we just can't have good health on these kind of foods. People are eating more fruits and vegies trying to be healthy but if they are not organic they are largely wasting their time. And fast food and chain restaurants are filling their foods with hidden chemicals to cause you to gain weight and become addicted to their food. They are touting healthier menus but still adding chemicals, it's just a marketing ploy. And our government allows them to do this and call the chemicals "natural flavors" & "spices". So much for the protection of the good ole fda.
I do want to say that I don't think that I ever said congratulations on your personal weight loss accomplishment. That is a big deal and that is wonderful that you have achieved that with healthy eating and exercise alone. You are confused if you think that the hcg protocol is not about healthy eating and exercise, that is the only way that this protocol works for a lifetime solution. If people are using it for quick, short term loss then I will have to agree with you that is not a good thing. And I think that you misunderstand me if you think that I am saying that the HCG protocol is the only way. It has been the way for me. It works for me and the friends that I have seen do it. It is AN answer, not THE answer. And again I have not experinced anything negative about it so I don't have that to share. The reason that I gained the weight back the first time was because I chose not to finish the protocol correctly so surprise, it didn't work, I gained the weight back, slowly, but after 1 year it was back. This time I have been on phase 3, no shots, normal unrestricted diet except for no sugar or starch for almost 6 weeks and my weight has been very steady at the same weight that I finished the shots at. If my hypothymus had not reset and I had come off of a 500 calorie starvation diet then we all know that I would have rapidly gained the weight back. This shows again that this is not a starvation diet.
As for my past weight control attempts. I would have to write a book to explain all of my experiences. Suffice it to say that I was overweight my whole childhood, I went on my first diet when I was 12 and I have struggled with my weight and food issues ever since, I am now 40. I tried EVERYTHING, every diet, exercise, personal training,OA, EVERYTHING. I'm not saying that I didn't have short term successes, I had lots and lots of short term successes, but nothing was a lifetime solution. And I believe that I have finally found that. Again this is my personal experience, that's all I have to share.
And again, that is great that you personally decided not to try hcg, that's your personal decision to make. However I did do my research and I made the decision that this was the right path for me. I did not feel that it was dangerous and the research clearly shows, again for the hcg protocol amounts, that this is a natural substance and that it is safe. I did not make this decision lightly. I am very wary of everything that I put in and on my body. I will not touch a drug, I haven't even taken an aspirin or tylenol in over 2 years, even when I sprained my ankle I found a natural anti inflammatory made out of curcumin. I eat only organics, no processed food, no fast food or chain restaurants, I am on all natural girl. And this protocol fit into that definition for me. And it has proven itself to me, my health is great, it has not harmed me, I feel peace with food, and my body looks great. This is my experience to share.
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Posted: 26 Jul 2008 11:47 am |
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I apologize for misjudging you, then.
I agree about the organic food! Produce is already high, and organic produce is tremendously high, but I think it's still worth the investment. For some reason, though, the last time I bought organic cucumbers, they smelled and tasted funny. It was probably just the batch.
I truly am glad that you have found something that works for you. As someone who has also struggled his whole life with being overweight, I know it is a difficult road. I wish you the very best of health.
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Posted: 27 Jul 2008 01:30 pm |
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I appreciate that. You know after all I think that we have alot more in common then we knew.
I know that the organics are more expensive but so is being sick. I look at it as health insurance, it's a lot cheaper then doctor's bills. Plus it just tastes so much better, the way food was supposed to taste! No wonder people started not eating enough fruit and vegies, that tasteless and nutritionally void stuff that conventional farming has been feeding us would turn anyone off.
Anyway, I do wish you the best health as well and I'm glad that we realized that we have more commonalities then differences.
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Hi all. I'm trying to do a lot of research before I start this diet. I have an appointment on Saturday at a clinic. Needless to say I'm a little skeptical and nervous about starting something that requires daily injections (hate needles) and a diet of only 500 calories per day. I'm convinced after all that I've read that it does work if followed but can't help feeling a bit nervous- especially right before the holidays. I'll continue to update and welcome any suggestions, encouragement. Still lots of questions????
Thanks! Good Luck to everyone.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 02:33 am |
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There seems to be a lot of people who do not know about the HCG Protocol. The fact is that it is NOT a fad because it was started in the 1950s by Dr ATW Simeons. The so called "side effects" that someone posted are false because HCG is not only natural... EVERYONE IS BORN WITH IT!!! That's right, when a woman pees on the stick and it turns blue to tell her she is pregnant... that's HCG baby! The unborn child absorbs it through their skin for 9 months.
Check out Sandy and Steve at <LINK REMOVED - PLEASE READ POSTING GUIDELINES> because combined they have lost over 170lbs in about 8 months and they are still losing with no side effects (unless you count weight loss, no more depression, drop in hunger, and other positive things). The "negative nancys" above have never tried HCG, and they don't know what the HCG Protocol is all about. There are a lot of facts missing from their posts and a lot of myths instead.
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