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Paco
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Posted: 24 Apr 2007 03:57 am |
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Alot of the reasons why there is so much disorder in our in peoples health is because we have come across an epidemic that no other country in the world has. for many years the percentage of overweight people in the United Stated has risen dramatically. 80% of the population in this country is considered fat. What alot of people don't know is that the FDA has alot to do with this. Additives, chemicals, bovine groth hormone, antibiotics injected in meat, flavor enhancers such as monosodium glutamate, artificial sweetners, high fructose corn syrup, processed molases, processed honey and 15,000 other chemicals that food companies add to their food to make people addictive to them, and every single food with such chemicals are aproved by the FDA. Why? because both the food corporations and the FDA want to see their stocks and profits go up; at the expense of your and my health.
Diet pills, excercise machines, especial diets....you think these are companies that are trying to help you?:-) The truth is that the food industry has full involvement in this kind of trickery. Again, it's all about economics. The more avenues they can use to take from you, the more they make to their adventage.
Don't be fooled by what television sells you, it's all part of their gimmick to get you hooked.
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miss katz
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Posted: 25 Apr 2007 04:12 am |
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I've been reading about this and have found a few informative sites. I am currently trying to avoid monosodium glutamate, aspartame, sodium nitrate/nitrite and a few other ingredients. I'm starting out slow, but I hope that little by little I can make my diet better and consume less and less of these chemicals. That means giving up alot of my favorite foods-at least not eat them as regularly. I came across chemicals in food while researching potentially harmful chemicals in cosmetics. I wonder if eventually I will aim to consume a mostly raw? diet....I'm not jumping into anything, but so many things contain these chemicals it's hard for me to find a good variety to replace my old faves.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 26 Apr 2007 09:42 pm |
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Paco, What in the world do artificial sweetners have to do with obesity in the United States?And please explain why additives found in candy bars and growth hormone and antibiotics contribute to obesity?Looking forward to hear your response.Thanks.
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miss katz
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Posted: 27 Apr 2007 02:15 am |
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I'm not trying to avoid these chemicals because of obesity-I get headaches and sometimes migraines from msg-monosodium glutamate and I get nausea and headaches from aspartame if I consume too much-like too much jello. The reason I think Paco said it contributes to obesity is because the additives are addictive so it makes people want to keep eating those foods. From my experience if I eat mcdonalds or dunkin donuts on a regular basis I get addicted to it. I eat it less so it's not too bad now, but I remember feeling that addiction-like I HAVE to have it.
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Paco
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Posted: 27 Apr 2007 03:14 am |
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| well, they are chemicals that are not suppose to be in your system; and they make you fat. again, like I mentioned, there is no other country in the world with such epidemic like the united states. Yes, this country is the richest and the fattest. do the research. you'll find out that is not a coinsidence, but a known fact.
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fsahurie
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Posted: 27 Apr 2007 03:00 pm |
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| Diet Coke DOES NOT make anyone fat, it doesnt contain calorie/energy, you have yet to give a good explanation.
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Paco
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Posted: 28 Apr 2007 08:04 pm |
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| My friend, that's exactly what those companies want you to believe. Artificial sweetners are the reason why so many people enjoy soda, especially diet. They believe that they are not gaining a pound when they are becoming more and more addictive to the product; so the more people drink, the more the addiction becomes, the more the addiction becomes, the more chemicals your body is intaking, the more chemicals your body intakes, the slower your metabolism becomes. If this is not enough information, you might as well research more indepth. :-) I'm only one person, but if you look further, you'll find a more detail answer that will probably shock you. Good luck! :-)
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SnazzyFlyer
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Posted: 28 Apr 2007 10:57 pm |
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Paco, could you point us in the direction of some (reliable) information regarding the link between artifiical sweeteners and weight gain? I'm interested in reading about it, if it looks legitimate.
Yes, it is possible to become addicted to sweet tasting things, either from artificial sweeteners or real sugar. I'll admit I tend to sweeten everything, and food/drinks will taste too bitter if I don't. However, I do not feel as though I am addicted to these substances (aspartame, sucralose, etc), I simply use them so that I can avoid adding too many extra calories to food, which I ultimately would if I used real sugar. Also, I have yet to gain weight from them.
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Posted: 28 Apr 2007 11:26 pm |
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| Paco, I have some information that may shock you. I use artificial sweetners and yet I am slim (5'5.5" and about 125lb).
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mamabear
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Posted: 28 Apr 2007 11:40 pm |
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.....Soapbox warning...
In my diet experience, the problem with diet foods and drinks using artificial sweeteners makes me feel like I can "cheat" and not gain weight by it. For instance, if I were to have a Big Mac and large fries, drinking a diet soda would make me feel like it was a good compromise, when it is not.
Two ingredients used constantly by processed food makers that *do* contribute to obesity are high fructose corn syrup and salt. To me, these are as addicting as any other ingredient put into a product, because they enhance flavor. Fat does, as well. Good tasting food sells products, so companies find it lucrative to their bottom line to use them.
This is a problem in our society because all of us are busy, constantly. At our house, a minimum of three nights a week are so widely scheduled that if we waited till everyone could be together to eat, we'd eat about 10:30 p.m. Add to this, I don't work outside the home, and only one of our daughters lives with us.
I think what a lot of us need, at least we Americans, is to educate ourselves on what's out there, what we *can* eat and stay healthy, and then do it. When companies see that Twinkie and Coca Cola sales have bottomed out, they might get on the "healthy food" band wagon.
I'm very grateful for this website, because I *have* learned a lot about what is safe to eat and what is a really bad idea. I've also learned just how hard I have to work to burn off that Big Mac and large fries...most of the time, I don't want it *that* bad.
....Off Soapbox...
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fsahurie
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Posted: 29 Apr 2007 09:59 pm |
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Hi,
Salt contains NO Calories, but you would know that since you have read the information on this website(as you stated above).The Big Mac and large fries dont pose as much as a problem if eaten in moderation, calories in vs. calories out.What I try to do is not deprive myself of good food, but eat them in moderation and exercise.We need a little of every food, nutrient, mineral, and even sugar and fat for our bodys to function as well, Dieting just doesnt work, it is better to Burn the Fat via exercise, rather than to Starve the fat, good luck!
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fsahurie
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Posted: 29 Apr 2007 10:05 pm |
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Paco wrote: My friend, that's exactly what those companies want you to believe. Artificial sweetners are the reason why so many people enjoy soda, especially diet. They believe that they are not gaining a pound when they are becoming more and more addictive to the product; so the more people drink, the more the addiction becomes, the more the addiction becomes, the more chemicals your body is intaking, the more chemicals your body intakes, the slower your metabolism becomes. If this is not enough information, you might as well research more indepth. :-) I'm only one person, but if you look further, you'll find a more detail answer that will probably shock you. Good luck! :-)
Please contribute to a more logical explanation, Paco, rather than to guess or assume a manifestation.I appreciate your ideas and opinion, but do you have maybe a cientifcal theory or link that you can provide?Thanks!
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mamabear
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Posted: 30 Apr 2007 04:27 am |
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Perhaps I'm just older than you. I am speaking about my personal experience and what I've learned. Each individual must interpret things for him/herself.
Salt, at least for *this* middle aged person, causes water weight gain. It also causes my blood pressure to go up and my ankles to swell. If you are the age of my daughter, who can eat a big mac, large fries and a large coke without a problem, then perhaps you are also (as she is) in Judo, which burns 2000 calories a workout. Personally, my body cannot handle that kind of stress.
As for your other comments, I agree. I was saying that the calorie input for the Big Mac and fries isn't worth what I have to do to work around it. Part of that is that I am still recovering from a massive knee injury. I'm *still* not supposed to hike, but I have the "thrifty" gene, and I have to work to keep the weight off. As for the medical bit, the orthopedist cannot figure out how I can walk, let alone hike.
As I'm still not supposed to work out, your advice is a bit of a problem. I do ignore the doc (he doesn't live here), but it isn't that simple. I *can't* just burn the fat via exercise beyond what my knee can take (btw, it was shattered into five pieces last August, and there's still a fracture line that hasn't healed...besides the two cut tendons and the bone damage getting the metal out last month).
My own position is still the same. Know what you eat. A Big Mac (560 calories) and large fries (570) is a lot of work when one can only hike with a staff and pray there's no rocks in the road.
You have to do *both.* Know what you eat and what you can do. If you can't do, the former is imperative.
Mamabear (the lame)
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Paco
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Posted: 6 May 2007 06:00 pm |
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fsahurie wrote: Paco wrote: My friend, that's exactly what those companies want you to believe. Artificial sweetners are the reason why so many people enjoy soda, especially diet. They believe that they are not gaining a pound when they are becoming more and more addictive to the product; so the more people drink, the more the addiction becomes, the more the addiction becomes, the more chemicals your body is intaking, the more chemicals your body intakes, the slower your metabolism becomes. If this is not enough information, you might as well research more indepth. :-) I'm only one person, but if you look further, you'll find a more detail answer that will probably shock you. Good luck! :-)
Please contribute to a more logical explanation, Paco, rather than to guess or assume a manifestation.I appreciate your ideas and opinion, but do you have maybe a cientifcal theory or link that you can provide?Thanks!
A more logical explanation would be to open your eyes. Just read the labels on the stuff you're buying. if the ingredients have words you can't pronounce, is not good for you! :-) Everything that the FDA has aproved, it's done to their benefit and the stockholder. it doesn't take much to keep a food preserved, if that's the case, why are there so many additives put into the food and making the US fat? it doesn't take a 10 year old to figure this out. if you are informed of what high organizations are doing, why question it?...unless ofcurse...you are part of those organizations.:-)
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Posted: 6 May 2007 07:14 pm |
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| That's very convenient for you - anyone who doesn't agree with your analysis must be part of the US food industry (even if they're a teenager living in Chile, for example)
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Paco
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Posted: 7 May 2007 03:03 am |
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then that means that they don't have to worry about it! :-) the FDA has no jurisdiction out beyond the borders of the US!
I am not asking anyone to agree with me. I am here to relay information that can help people. this is america my friend, you have the choice to choose what to do with your like!!!:-)
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Peter
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Posted: 7 May 2007 05:04 am |
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I can't remember what it was in reference to, but I recently heard on the news that the U.S. government was considering forming a new organization to do something that they couldn't trust the FDA to do because of the influence of big business. The FDA is really sick.
Paco, you might put your country in your profile for the benefit of this discussion.
Also, while most people in the U.S. think they are the center of the world if not the universe, we are not the only "America." Chile is also in America!
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Paco
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Posted: 7 May 2007 12:05 pm |
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Peter, you're absolutely right! The US seems to be very self centered. I myself am not from this country, but from a neighboring one. A few people here have doubts and wonder if i'm full of it. I don't think I would be wasting my time if the stuff I have been trying to pass on to others was bs. All I can do is point out where the information is and people either will follow the leads or they wont! :-)
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fsahurie
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Posted: 7 May 2007 03:26 pm |
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Paco wrote: I myself am not from this country, but from a neighboring one.
From where are you exactly?I find it hilarious that you are presuming the obesity rate in the US is as it is right now because of calorie free coke!?! It is true that diet coke is unhealthy, but in terms of health, not weight related health, mind you.
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mamabear
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Posted: 7 May 2007 05:18 pm |
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The manpower the FDA has at its disposal is capable of checking maybe 1 % of the ingredients that come into the US. This figure is from an article I read on MSNBC during the pet food scare. For me, it isn't a matter of lack of faith in their motives, but lack of faith in the government's desire/ability to do something about it.
As for Diet Coke, or any other diet soda, it can't be blamed in my case, I can't stand the stuff. Mine came from French Onion Soup, garlic and sun dried tomato bread and other high fat, high calorie foods that I made myself. (No artificial ingredients involved.)
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VYV8
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Posted: 7 May 2007 11:53 pm |
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So what's the moral to the story? Eat more natural, unprocessed foods! It worked for me!
FWIW, I regularly consume diet softdrink and can easily lose 1-2lb per week when I try. (I am 31, male, 6'2 and approx 220lb with very large frame - my doctor said I shouldn't go below 200lb without medical advice).
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Paco
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Posted: 8 May 2007 01:27 am |
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From what I have gathered even though soda is bad for anyone, it was found that regular soda is better than diet coke. I recommend you read some if not all of these books:
Sweet Deception. Why Splenda, Nutrasweet and the FDA may be hazarous to your health, By, Dr. Joseph Mercola and Dr. Kendra Degen Pearsall
Don't Eat This Book: Fat Food and the supersizing of America, By Morgan Spurlock
Fat Land: How Americans Became the Fattest People in the World, By Greg Critser
The Hundred-Year Lie: How Food and Medicine are Destroying Your Health, By Randall Fatzgerald
The End of Food: How the Food Industry is Destroying Our Food Supply - And What We Can Do About It, by Thomas F. Pawlick
This might help you find more of the answers that you are wondering about. :-)
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mamabear
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Posted: 8 May 2007 03:47 am |
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Paco, I grant that I'm tired now, and all my pain meds have long since worn off. I can *only* tell you what I've personally experienced. The USDA and ethics won't allow anything else.
I grew up on a farm, I grew up eating healthy foods. I moved to the city, and I *can't* grow what I eat. So far, this meets your standards.
The things that caused me to gain weight were not the obscure additives. It wasn't sodium laurel sulfate. It wasn't ninety per cent of the additives. It *was* sugar. Not fake sugar, real sugar. It was carbs, not fake carbs, but potatoes and rice. Real carbs. While most folks won't see it that way, it was also salt...which makes food taste good and encourages over eating, not to mention water weight gain and high blood pressure.
I've lost the weight before, and I'm doing it again. Being *unable* to cook for my family brought it back, but it wasn't nutrasweet. It wasn't saccharine. It was (and is) normal fat and carbs.
I'm not dumb enough to say that all the folks in the US have the same problems I do. I'm also not dumb enough to say all the folks in the world have my problem. I hope they don't, it hurts to bad for me to wish it on my worst enemy.
I *still* think the answer is knowledge. If we...all of us...know what is in the foods we eat, and pick the foods that are good for us, the companies of the world will take note. Until then, they will produce what's out there right now.
Mamabear
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Paco
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Posted: 8 May 2007 04:58 am |
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Yes, that is a huge factor too!!!:-)
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EJ33
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Posted: 9 May 2007 09:48 am |
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I went to the fda.gov website and in the Hot Topics area was "Losing Weight" which led to "Start by counting calories".
This article points out the "Obesity Epidemic" and gives advice on losing weight which is right on target with what the Major Health Organizations say people should be doing to lose weight and do it in a healthy way.
The article is also very much in line with the advice and suggestions given on the thelegacywebsite website.
I suspect if you decide to read the "Start by counting calories" article it will be worth your time.
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Paco
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Posted: 10 May 2007 01:34 pm |
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I'll scope it out! thnx! :-)
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| I think that's funny what mamabear said about the FDA only being able to keep track of 1% of everything. congress is trying to pass legislation on the FDA keeping track of vitamins.
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Paco
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Posted: 12 May 2007 01:44 am |
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isn't it ironic how the FDA is giving health and diet advise whaen they have no clue what they are aproving??? Is that really a corporation you can trust on?
My answer to that is MONEY, MONEY, MONEY. People!!!:-)
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Posted: 17 May 2007 10:03 pm |
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Artificial ingredients are made in a chemistry lab. This includes artificial fats (hydrogenated oils), artificial colors, artificial flavors (msg, and this list can go on and on and on and on ...), aritifical sweetners, artificial salts (sodium nitrate for example). Fast foods contain these ingredients (please read Fast Food Nation to be updated on this research) and that is why so many people get addicted to fast food. After all, a hamburger is a hamburger. Why are we addicted to McDonald's hamburgers and not the ones we make at home? Think about it. Chicken is chicken. Why are we more addicted to KFC than we are when frying chicken at home? Carbonated drinks are carbonated. Why are we addicted to Pepsi and not soda water? Why not add honey and sugar to soda water - would that help? No, it wouldn't - because it would lack the addictive ingredients that are so prevalent in many of these soft drinks (artificial flavors). Here is another interesting tidbit - margerine and shortening are artificial fats. Its hydrogenated. Its considered a trans fat because it clogs your arteries. I've heard (and please, I'm not sure if this is an urban legend) that margerine is one moleucule away from plastic. That's how artificial it is.
How does the liver process artificial ingredients? Are human bodies designed to properly digest and absorb these artificial (chemical) ingredients? Are we meant to eat this way? Its unnatural. And that is why the FDA has alot of explaining to do. They literally ignore the research in favor of Monsanto and other manufacturers.
Books such as The One Hundred Year Lie is excellent. The author backs his sources and is written professionally. I highly recommend this book. Fast Food Nation also addresses the things that Paco mentions.
I started to lose weight after I said "no" to artificial ingredients. I started feeling better, too. And my cravings/addictions disappeared as well.
My rule of thumb is that if I can't pronounce the ingredient and if I don't know what the heck it is, I will not consume it. Frankly, I don't want to eat an ingredient made in a chemistry lab.
I'm sure moderation is fine - perhaps with artificial sweetners. But be careful if other artificial ingredients are consumed frequently.
I wish all of you healthy and safe eating! 
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Posted: 18 May 2007 01:05 am |
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Cornelia, you couldn't had said it any better!!! I am down to my 14th lb in three weeks!!!
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Posted: 18 May 2007 01:12 am |
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| That's terrific, Paco! Keep up the good work!!
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Posted: 18 May 2007 05:26 pm |
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I am losing weight as well, but just restricting calories, not diet coke.Congratulations on your progress, the important thing is to keep the weight off in the long term!
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Posted: 16 Aug 2007 06:48 pm |
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Paco wrote: Alot of the reasons why there is so much disorder in our in peoples health is because we have come across an epidemic that no other country in the world has. for many years the percentage of overweight people in the United Stated has risen dramatically. 80% of the population in this country is considered fat...
Those statements are inaccurate. The US is not alone in this problem. The US isn't even the fatest country. 80% is not correct, not yet anyway. Check the WHO web site.
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Posted: 17 Aug 2007 02:18 am |
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fsahurie wrote: Diet Coke DOES NOT make anyone fat, it doesnt contain calorie/energy, you have yet to give a good explanation.
Can I hear an amen? I'd like to 2nd that motion. I can't really say it is all that healthy for you, and I'm afraid for my teeth, so I wouldn't recommend it and when I have kids I will try put a limit on their soda intake.
HOWEVER, the idea that zero or one calorie or even TEN calorie (if one is chugging the stuff down) will make you fat is absurd. I've cut calories way below what I should at times believe me. Not exactly the poster child for healthy eating, sometimes gone WAY below BMR, but chugged down maybe 4 diet sodas in a day (for the caffeine mainly) and people worried about my dropping weight. It actually SUPPRESSES appetite for me.
HOWEVER, the regular stuff is a MAJOR hidden source of calories. Sometimes you get 500 to nearly 1000 calories in one of the large cups at fast food places. At a movie theater, they are nearly the size of a 2-liter bottle! But the DIET version will not make you FAT. It will cause TEMPORARY bloat, but I can speak from experience, it will NOT add pounds. Now at most fast food places, I'll stop and order the "medium", which is basically a large because the large is ginormous, ha, to borrow a Will Ferrell neologism.
As for the general health of aspartame or splenda, I cannot speak for that. My opinion's still out as to whether it causes brain tumors and the like. I also believe my own dental health has suffered and you CAN become very addictive to the stuff. If I had another source of energy I'd go for it. But don't wanna drink coffee or energy drinks.
Point is though people will tell me to my face to drink OJ or some other juice because it's "healthier". It may have more nutrients, but if you drink an 18 oz glass of OJ or other juice, you're taking in around 300 calories. Now for nutrients, I've done that, but cal-wise, that's way more than the DIET soda which is zero or if you're REALLY suspicious at the cal-figures around 5 calories (a stick of gum). Healthwise however, not so sure. It DOES scare me that you could polish silver with the stuff, but then again stomach acid is also a chemical so who knows?
Anyway, just agreeing with the original poster. I'm somewhat long-winded, sorry. I wish I could be more succinct in my posts.
Larry
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Posted: 17 Aug 2007 09:23 am |
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Cornelia wrote: "...Think about it. Chicken is chicken. Why are we more addicted to KFC than we are when frying chicken at home?"
Granny did it the all natural way. She went in the backyard selected a chicken, rung it's neck, and plucked it, cleaned it and cut it up. She then had to heat fat in a frying pan heavy enough to cause back injury. She stood over the pan with grease poping on her arms (I have a few of those scars myself) while sweat dripped down her face. Then after dinner, she had to clean the whole mess up. The whole business probably didn't take more than 2 or 3 hours. Good thing granny did have a job.
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Posted: 4 Jan 2008 09:42 pm |
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Well, I live in Sweden. I can guarantee that there are as many artificial ingredients here as there are in the U.S. I also know that people here are way more laid back than in the U.S. People cook for themselves because they have time. They work 35 hour work weeks, and get at least 5 weeks vacation a year. Even if you go out to eat, the waiter does not rush up to you every 5 minutes. They give lots of t ime for you to look at the menu, and lots of time for you to eat. At first this drove me crazy. I wanted the service that I was used to in the states. But this is a different world! No gut wrenching schedule, stress, anger. I think that that has a lot to do with the difference in food choices. No need to hit the drive-up on the way home. It is nice, like the U.S. used to be. It would be good to be able to go back in time, but we can't, so we just have to be careful about what we do eat, how many calories we consume, and get enough sleep. The FDA can only do so much, people have to watch out for themselves and quit expecting the government to do it for them. They will make sure that we cannot poison ourselves, but c'mon, people really do have to take responsibility for themselves!!!
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Posted: 5 Jan 2008 11:56 am |
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| Paris Hilton is quoted as saying "Only fat people drink Diet Coke" so that has to stand as the definitive statement on the matter
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Dazed1 wrote: Paris Hilton is quoted as saying "Only fat people drink Diet Coke" so that has to stand as the definitive statement on the matter
Just too funny!
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