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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Jan 2012 07:13 pm |
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The following post came from the website my fat spouse. Here is the link. http://matildatuesday.blogspot.com/p/forum_10.html#nabble-td7192320
Another poster called her on it. This crazy delusional fat girl is shilling the paleo diet which is pretty much Atkins and is based on the idea that early humans ate a lot of meat.
This fat girl put on 15 pounds in one week. That is some serious power eating and she is blaming the hospital cafeteria. 
Andrea T Said:
" I recently spent a week in the hospital saying goodbye to my grandmother , putting on 15 pounds in the process - I can't even imagine how bad it must be for parents or relatives of someone who shouldn't have to be sick or hospitalized.
1. Healthy food, only during business hours if your lucky . Rest of the time it's vending machines. I can't imagine anyone that could keep it together enough to count calories under those circumstances.
2. No real sleep, maybe 2-3 hours a night and even that is light sleep for noises, changes, nurse info, etc.
3. No exercise, unless you count pacing the floor.
4. Constant stress . Cortisol much?
It's like the perfect storm of weight gain.
If you're still on the board and this was you , I just wanted to ask if this would be helpful .I'm sorry in advance that this brings up bad times. Would it help you if someone brought you healthy meals, changes of clothes, etc? I can't help with the sleep, but looking forward I'd like to do something for others going through this.
PS.Went right on Paleo afterwards and it's coming off fast, whew!"
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Here is the response she got. It was priceless.
"OMFG! Depending on your current weight your metabolic rate is probably 2000 if you are at a normal weight and if you are fat it is probably 3000 and if you are obese you are looking at 4000 plus.
You put on more than 2 pounds a day. Fact time!!! Fact time!!! Fact time!!!Fact time!!!Fact time!!!Fact time!!!Fact time!!!
It takes 3500 calories to gain a pound for you to gain 2 pounds a day you have to be eating a whopping 11,000 a day!!!!!!!!! Normal women eat around 1500 to 2000 a day.
One of two things is true about what you are saying. You are either a glutton of Donna Simpson proportions or you are a liar. Which is it?"
Folk's this is one of the best jobs of busting a fattitudinally challenged fat girl. My question is this. Did this fat girl eat 11,000 calories a day or is she lying? These fat girls are beyond delusional.This fat girl had to eat an 7000 extra calories a day. That's extreme gluttony.
Last edited on 19 Jan 2012 07:25 pm by JSABD
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hbr777
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Posted: 20 Jan 2012 10:15 am |
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Except if she has uncontrolled hypothyroidism. Then, the salty junk food really makes her retain a bunch of water, and she can pack on fat by eating above her normal intact - but it doesn't take much. Certainly not 11K in calories per day, if she is hypo.
And, no, I do not think hypothyroidism is an excuse. I was 5'7" 130 lbs when thyroid (Hashimoto's) hit me. I gained 20 lbs over the course of 3 months. Even treated, I cannot seem to take it off. I eat more. I eat more sugar because the cravings are uncontrollable at times. I exercise less because my tolerance is decreased from the stupid hypo #%@&!.
So, sometimes it really can be a glandular problem. I'm not saying that it is the case with this woman, but just wanted to put it out there.
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JSABD
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Posted: 21 Jan 2012 02:02 am |
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hbr777 wrote:
Except if she has uncontrolled hypothyroidism. Then, the salty junk food really makes her retain a bunch of water, and she can pack on fat by eating above her normal intact - but it doesn't take much. Certainly not 11K in calories per day, if she is hypo.
And, no, I do not think hypothyroidism is an excuse. I was 5'7" 130 lbs when thyroid (Hashimoto's) hit me. I gained 20 lbs over the course of 3 months. Even treated, I cannot seem to take it off. I eat more. I eat more sugar because the cravings are uncontrollable at times. I exercise less because my tolerance is decreased from the stupid hypo #%@&!.
So, sometimes it really can be a glandular problem. I'm not saying that it is the case with this woman, but just wanted to put it out there.
If she was retaining that much water instead of visiting a patient she would be one. She never mention that she retains water.
Eat often and eat lo cal nutrient dense meals. Take a mineral supplement.
The best drug for slow thyroid is one called Armour. It's prescrition and it takes care of T 3 and 4. It is safer than Synthroid and it works better.
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Nir
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Posted: 21 Jan 2012 10:23 am |
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| As you are always on her case for being low-carb (I am not clear about what she actually does) some of that gain could also just be glycogen (water weight). I think she stated 10lb fell off quickly.
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hbr777
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Posted: 21 Jan 2012 11:16 am |
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| Yes, Armour is superior to Synthroid. Or even Synthroid/Cytomel combo. I am on Armour. A good heft dose. Sometimes, though, hypo people gain and gain FAST.
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JSABD
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Posted: 21 Jan 2012 09:38 pm |
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Nir wrote: As you are always on her case for being low-carb (I am not clear about what she actually does) some of that gain could also just be glycogen (water weight). I think she stated 10lb fell off quickly.
She's lying of both accounts.
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JSABD
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Posted: 21 Jan 2012 09:40 pm |
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hbr777 wrote: Yes, Armour is superior to Synthroid. Or even Synthroid/Cytomel combo. I am on Armour. A good heft dose. Sometimes, though, hypo people gain and gain FAST.
Not by 2 pounds a day. She is claiming a 15 pound weight gain in a week. That's not possible due to hypothyroidism.
Also she does not have hypothyroidism. If she does it's easily fixed.
Last edited on 21 Jan 2012 09:42 pm by JSABD
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Nir
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Posted: 21 Jan 2012 10:02 pm |
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On Tuesday (December 20th 2011) I was 55kg at 8am. at 10pm I was 58.5kg. That's 3.5kg (or 7.7lb) higher. Would you like to calculate how many calories I must have over-eaten? Show your working out. Hypothethise whether I am a glutton and what else can be used to explain this gain.
(I was back to 55kg by the 24th, in case you were wondering)
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Jan 2012 12:11 am |
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Nir wrote: On Tuesday (December 20th 2011) I was 55kg at 8am. at 10pm I was 58.5kg. That's 3.5kg (or 7.7lb) higher. Would you like to calculate how many calories I must have over-eaten? Show your working out. Hypothethise whether I am a glutton and what else can be used to explain this gain.
(I was back to 55kg by the 24th, in case you were wondering)
I don't deal in theories. I prefer the immutable laws of sceince
How much of the weight was water? You have no way of knowing?
7.7 pounds of fat X 3500 calories in a pound of fat = 26,950 calories
A gallon of water weighs 8.35 pounds.
I wasn't there when you were pigging out.
Here are some possibilities.
You were dehydrated when you first weighed in.
Your kidneys are not working right. (Low Carb damages kidneys not that you are on low carb)
You have a binge eating disorder and you went on a feeding frenzy.
Numbers don't lie and the human body cannot, I repeat CANNOT defy the laws of physics. Anyone who says it can is either and idiot or a liar.
Nir, don't give the fatlings an excuse. They already make outrageous claims that defy reality. Please do not indulge their lies.
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Nir
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Posted: 22 Jan 2012 09:44 am |
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I did Atkins for about 4 months in 2004. We're in 2012 now, and I've been doing ETL for 5-6 years.
If I was dehydrated that morning then I am dehydrated most mornings because I am comparing my morning weights to each other.
Even though that day featured two "meals out" (that's 2 more than a typical day), I doubt if I had eaten more than about 1000-1500 calories more than usual.
However, I was exposed to vast amounts of sodium over and above my usual intake (which is however much sodium is naturally found in vegetables, fruit, beans, raw peanuts, oats etc.)
As a result my body was retaining water like crazy.
The 2nd meal was a salad bar and my stomach was full. You can call that a disorder if you like.
I'm not here to give people excuses, but don't make yourself out to be an expert if you cannot grasp that weight fluctuates, especially if one's routine is broken.
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hbr777
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Posted: 22 Jan 2012 01:17 pm |
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"Numbers don't lie and the human body cannot, I repeat CANNOT defy the laws of physics. Anyone who says it can is either and idiot or a liar."
Mr. Science, I'd suggest you take a look at the science of the thyroid when you say it is "easily" fixed. You do not have a clue about this, clearly.
When one is hypo, the entire body slows down. Taking meds helps replace the thyroid hormone that is lacking but it hardly ever brings the metabolism back to where it was. Hence, less food intact ends causing some sort of weight gain. Hypo's also retain lots of water for various reasons.
I am really curious why you are espousing what you are espousing. Are you mentally ill?
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 Jan 2012 02:20 am |
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Nir wrote: I did Atkins for about 4 months in 2004. We're in 2012 now, and I've been doing ETL for 5-6 years.
If I was dehydrated that morning then I am dehydrated most mornings because I am comparing my morning weights to each other.
Even though that day featured two "meals out" (that's 2 more than a typical day), I doubt if I had eaten more than about 1000-1500 calories more than usual.
However, I was exposed to vast amounts of sodium over and above my usual intake (which is however much sodium is naturally found in vegetables, fruit, beans, raw peanuts, oats etc.)
As a result my body was retaining water like crazy.
The 2nd meal was a salad bar and my stomach was full. You can call that a disorder if you like.
I'm not here to give people excuses, but don't make yourself out to be an expert if you cannot grasp that weight fluctuates, especially if one's routine is broken.
Don't try dancing me around. Weights can fluctuate in a week due to water but only by a pound or 2. 15 pounds is impossible.
I accept the laws of physics and I know that the human body cannot defy them. AndreaT wants people to think they can. She got called on it and I made an example of her. It was a splendid teaching moment. I hope she licks her wounds and learns a lesson. Only in the Tough Love forum is such honesty permitted.
Fatlings are the cause of their obesity period.
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 Jan 2012 02:35 am |
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hbr777 wrote: "Numbers don't lie and the human body cannot, I repeat CANNOT defy the laws of physics. Anyone who says it can is either and idiot or a liar."
Mr. Science, I'd suggest you take a look at the science of the thyroid when you say it is "easily" fixed. You do not have a clue about this, clearly.
When one is hypo, the entire body slows down. Taking meds helps replace the thyroid hormone that is lacking but it hardly ever brings the metabolism back to where it was. Hence, less food intact ends causing some sort of weight gain. Hypo's also retain lots of water for various reasons.
I am really curious why you are espousing what you are espousing. Are you mentally ill?
The most that human basal metabolic rates can vary in humans of the same age weigh and gender is 15 calories a day.
Before you end up looking even more pathetic do a little research. You cannot even define BMR or metabolism let alone the laws of physics.
For any other delusional fatlings I will try to give you all the elementary school version.
Respiration, digestion, chemical processes, maintaining temperature and heart action all require energy. Those are the basic components of basal metabolism. When some moron tries to tell you that they weigh 300 pound because of a slow thyroid they lying and need their jaws wired shut and their faces slapped.
hbr777 will not be able to show you how much a BMR is affected by slow thyroid. He's either stupid or a liar. He also won't show you that medical treatment for hypothyroidism is not effective. It's very effective and often it speeds up the thyroid too much.
He either doesn't know or he won't tell you that as people get fatter their metabolic rates increase.
BOTTOM LINE: Hypothyroidism might make you chubby but it CANNOT make you obese. Only gluttony can make you obese.
Last edited on 23 Jan 2012 02:40 am by JSABD
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Nir
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Posted: 23 Jan 2012 07:33 am |
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"Weights can fluctuate in a week due to water but only by a pound or 2"
I showed you a 7.7lb fluctuation over 14 hours, so trivially you're wrong
If you are unsure, go and weigh yourself, now drink 4lb (1.8 litres) of water and weigh yourself. Look, you're 4lb heavier. This was within the same week. There, you have disproved your own theory.
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artistjohn
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Posted: 23 Jan 2012 01:20 pm |
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If I drink a glass of water after my morning weigh in I weigh 1lb more than 1st weight.
I have just weighed that amount of water and it weighs 3/4 of a pound on the scales.
Therefore I agree with Nir. You are wrong as usual.
Remember what I told you before "Anger causes cancer" and you still seem very angry
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JSABD
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Posted: 24 Jan 2012 03:45 am |
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artistjohn wrote:
If I drink a glass of water after my morning weigh in I weigh 1lb more than 1st weight.
I have just weighed that amount of water and it weighs 3/4 of a pound on the scales.
Therefore I agree with Nir. You are wrong as usual.
Remember what I told you before "Anger causes cancer" and you still seem very angry
Incredible!
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artistjohn
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Posted: 24 Jan 2012 05:59 am |
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| But true.
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jan 2012 12:30 am |
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artistjohn wrote: But true.
On Fantasy Island.
You must be one of those rare people born without kidneys.
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Nir
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Posted: 26 Jan 2012 10:46 am |
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So must I, then.
My morning weight today 1kg (2.2lb) more than yesterday.
Theory 1 (your theory) I overeate by 3500
Theory 2 (my theory) sodium, glycogen etc. (mostly sodium, though - I ate out for breakfast)
Please won't you join us here in the real world.Last edited on 26 Jan 2012 10:48 am by Nir
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jan 2012 03:53 pm |
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Nir wrote: So must I, then.
My morning weight today 1kg (2.2lb) more than yesterday.
Theory 1 (your theory) I overeate by 3500
Theory 2 (my theory) sodium, glycogen etc. (mostly sodium, though - I ate out for breakfast)
Please won't you join us here in the real world.
2.2 pounds can be explained by water weight and that would be stretching. 15 can't. If she has said 2 pounds I could have chalked it up to water. She may have been slightly dehydrated when she weighed in before her hospital feeding frenzy but if she did not urinate for 7 days she would be very sick or dead.... in the real world.
Last edited on 26 Jan 2012 03:54 pm by JSABD
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