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Tankgirl
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Posted: 14 Oct 2011 11:20 am |
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This is something I've been mentally kicking around for months, and other than JS, there's not a lot written about this issue.
For the following examples I'd like to know how what difference it makes between what most people accept as normal (men's waist 34-36, women's size 12) and your standards (mens's waist 28-30, women's size six or below)
1. You are unfit to serve your country.
If someone's 35+, they're considered too old to serve anyway.
2. You are a bad role model for your kids.
How so? by them seeing you eat more than a certain level of calories? Avoiding exercise?
3. If you are a pregnant woman you have put your child at a a distinct disadvantage by being fat.
No argument there,but the studies start out with pre-pregnancy weight.
For example I'm 5 foot 6, according to the studies if I'm anything under 154 I'm fine. No need to be 120 for safety's sake.
4. You are a less productive worker
If my employer for example cared about this, maybe they'd stop the constant junk food feedings. Oh well, it means most nights I get the gym to myself, with whatever they spent on all that equipment!
5. Your spouse deserves a healthy mate.
And this is anyone else's business?Last edited on 14 Oct 2011 11:21 am by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Oct 2011 01:37 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: This is something I've been mentally kicking around for months, and other than JS, there's not a lot written about this issue.
For the following examples I'd like to know how what difference it makes between what most people accept as normal (men's waist 34-36, women's size 12) and your standards (mens's waist 28-30, women's size six or below)
1. You are unfit to serve your country.
If someone's 35+, they're considered too old to serve anyway.
There are a lot of people who are too fat to serve. That's just wrong. We also need fit people for public safety. Who wants unfit police and fire fighters? Not me!
2. You are a bad role model for your kids.
How so? by them seeing you eat more than a certain level of calories? Avoiding exercise?
Children learn by what they see. If mom and dad are slothful and gluttonous they will become slothful and gluttonous. AND... the awful food their parents purchase end up in the kids. It's bad parenting. A loving parent like MeMe Roth will give their children every advantage in life
3. If you are a pregnant woman you have put your child at a a distinct disadvantage by being fat.
No argument there,but the studies start out with pre-pregnancy weight.
For example I'm 5 foot 6, according to the studies if I'm anything under 154 I'm fine. No need to be 120 for safety's sake.
You still are better off an an ideal weight and so is the baby. The studies I have read show that even moderately overweight women are more likely to require a C section. 154 and 5'6" still looks bad.
4. You are a less productive worker
If my employer for example cared about this, maybe they'd stop the constant junk food feedings. Oh well, it means most nights I get the gym to myself, with whatever they spent on all that equipment!
Some employers do encourage fitness but it is not the responsibility of the employer. The employer is not forcing anyone to eat junk food. Fat people get paid less because they don't work as hard and are sick more often.
5. Your spouse deserves a healthy mate.
And this is anyone else's business?
Yes it is. There would be less cheating if people were not fat. Let's say my brother was married to a land whale and he was stuck there for the kids and financial reasons. It would bother me to see him disrespected like that.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 14 Oct 2011 06:15 pm |
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1. There are a lot of people who are too fat to serve. That's just wrong. We also need fit people for public safety. Who wants unfit police and fire fighters? Not me!
You have a point there. However fitness and strength here would be more important than size, to a point - remember we're talking up to the point where most people would consider normal.
2. Children learn by what they see. If mom and dad are slothful and gluttonous they will become slothful and gluttonous. AND... the awful food their parents purchase end up in the kids. It's bad parenting. A loving parent like MeMe Roth will give their children every advantage in life
Total agreement. That's behavior again, which we usually agree on.
3.You still are better off an an ideal weight and so is the baby. The studies I have read show that even moderately overweight women are more likely to require a C section. 154 and 5'6" still looks bad.
I used the American healthy BMI as an example. Any studies to back up that lower than that offers benefits?
"looks bad" is a whole other issue. Do we owe anyone other than our spouses/families a weight lower than that because it looks good? If so, why?
Some employers do encourage fitness but it is not the responsibility of the employer. The employer is not forcing anyone to eat junk food. Fat people get paid less because they don't work as hard and are sick more often.
I don't know if you've seen this but the job market is a bloodbath right now. At least in my company if an employee is not productive, they're out the door fast. There's also very little tolerance for absenteeism, whether it's being sick , or "brown bottle flu".
Yes it is. There would be less cheating if people were not fat. Let's say my brother was married to a land whale and he was stuck there for the kids and financial reasons. It would bother me to see him disrespected like that.
If people are fat, how is there anyone to cheat with? is size 12 a land whale? What if he met at married her at that size?
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JSABD
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Posted: 16 Oct 2011 12:33 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: 1. There are a lot of people who are too fat to serve. That's just wrong. We also need fit people for public safety. Who wants unfit police and fire fighters? Not me!
You have a point there. However fitness and strength here would be more important than size, to a point - remember we're talking up to the point where most people would consider normal.
They have to be able to move quickly and have stamina.
2. Children learn by what they see. If mom and dad are slothful and gluttonous they will become slothful and gluttonous. AND... the awful food their parents purchase end up in the kids. It's bad parenting. A loving parent like MeMe Roth will give their children every advantage in life
Total agreement. That's behavior again, which we usually agree on.
3.You still are better off an an ideal weight and so is the baby. The studies I have read show that even moderately overweight women are more likely to require a C section. 154 and 5'6" still looks bad.
I used the American healthy BMI as an example. Any studies to back up that lower than that offers benefits?
I recall reading a study by Temple University that showed that moderately overweight women were more likely to require a C section and the higher the BMI the more likely it was. The also had twice the normal rate of birth defects.
"looks bad" is a whole other issue. Do we owe anyone other than our spouses/families a weight lower than that because it looks good? If so, why?
That would depend on your morals. I'm a patriot and I take my citizenship very seriously.
Here is what I owe my family. I need to be the best I can be for them.
Some employers do encourage fitness but it is not the responsibility of the employer. The employer is not forcing anyone to eat junk food. Fat people get paid less because they don't work as hard and are sick more often.
I don't know if you've seen this but the job market is a bloodbath right now. At least in my company if an employee is not productive, they're out the door fast. There's also very little tolerance for absenteeism, whether it's being sick , or "brown bottle flu".
The company that Mrs JSABD works for has a fitness program and they do it because it makes the workers sharper and more productive. In my line of work it's a requirement. I think you know my profession.
Yes it is. There would be less cheating if people were not fat. Let's say my brother was married to a land whale and he was stuck there for the kids and financial reasons. It would bother me to see him disrespected like that.
If people are fat, how is there anyone to cheat with? is size 12 a land whale? What if he met at married her at that size?
Sizes are not a good measurement. I would say that if a woman cannot fit into her wedding gown then she's too fat.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 16 Oct 2011 06:46 am |
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1.They have to be able to move quickly and have stamina.
Agreed there.
2.I recall reading a study by Temple University that showed that moderately overweight women were more likely to require a C section and the higher the BMI the more likely it was
Moderately overweight by singapore or US standards? The example was in high end of healthy bmi, at least by US standards
3. I'm a patriot and I take my citizenship very seriously.
How does physical fitness work into this? I know you mentioned its part of spritual/mental stregnth, but do you see a need in the future to be in best physical condition? Not sarcasm at all, just interested.
As far as family, that's different,hub and eventually kids, would end up paying if I abuse or neglect my health. That's unfair.
The company that Mrs JSABD works for has a fitness program and they do it because it makes the workers sharper and more productive.
Okay, now I'm a jealous fat girl.That and I am so sick of seeing insulin next to junk food on the desks of people I like. You know I've seen how that ends. You have no idea how many time's I've heard "next week I'm going to start working out with you" Sigh, still tumbleweeds blowing through the gym 
. I would say that if a woman cannot fit into her wedding gown then she's too fat.
Lol that hasn't fit in ages.But thanks for the reminder to send it to the resale shop. Heck,my wedding ring barely fits anymore (both too big)
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Steampunk
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 12:42 am |
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I don't really see anything wrong with the post I'm quoting except for this statement...
"Yes it is. There would be less cheating if people were not fat. Let's say my brother was married to a land whale and he was stuck there for the kids and financial reasons. It would bother me to see him disrespected like that."
I just find it funny because I know plenty of thin couples who cheat on each other. This isn't actually a statistical fact, it's just an assumption. People cheat for all sorts of reasons. Fat people cheat, skinny people cheat. Also, why does your example have the woman being fat but the man being skinny? O.o
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 01:20 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: 1.They have to be able to move quickly and have stamina.
Agreed there.
2.I recall reading a study by Temple University that showed that moderately overweight women were more likely to require a C section and the higher the BMI the more likely it was
Moderately overweight by singapore or US standards? The example was in high end of healthy bmi, at least by US standards
US standards.
3. I'm a patriot and I take my citizenship very seriously.
How does physical fitness work into this? I know you mentioned its part of spritual/mental stregnth, but do you see a need in the future to be in best physical condition? Not sarcasm at all, just interested.
In many cultures a healthy body means a health mind. As parent I strive to be at my best. As a husband I strive to be my best.
There may be a revolution and the fit will survive. If people start taking out the corporate pigs it will be the fit ones who do it and take the risks. Some fat waddling slob who blew his knees out won't ever be placed in danger serving his country.
As far as family, that's different,hub and eventually kids, would end up paying if I abuse or neglect my health. That's unfair.
The company that Mrs JSABD works for has a fitness program and they do it because it makes the workers sharper and more productive.
Okay, now I'm a jealous fat girl.That and I am so sick of seeing insulin next to junk food on the desks of people I like. You know I've seen how that ends. You have no idea how many time's I've heard "next week I'm going to start working out with you" Sigh, still tumbleweeds blowing through the gym
That is why they need a JSABD style butt kicking. Humiliate them. Make their behavior not worth the pay off. I used to play in bands. Band wives and girl friends can be a pain in the butt. Mrs JSABD is a hottie. She didn't tag along with the band unless it was a local gig. My band mates like her because she was always pleasant but the band girls hated her and they treated her like #%@&!. It bothered her. Finally I told her to dress hot and to bring some of her hot friend with her to shake their butts at my band mate and flirt with them. It worked in the sense that the drummer's fat wife went on Phen Phen and lost some weight. They pigs were humiliated.
. I would say that if a woman cannot fit into her wedding gown then she's too fat.
Lol that hasn't fit in ages.But thanks for the reminder to send it to the resale shop. Heck,my wedding ring barely fits anymore (both too big)
Get your butt in that wedding gown! You owe to your family!
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Steampunk
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 01:23 am |
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"Get your butt in that wedding gown! You owe to your family!"
She just said that her wedding gown and ring are both too big, why would she owe it to her family to gain weight? O.o
"Lol that hasn't fit in ages.But thanks for the reminder to send it to the resale shop. Heck,my wedding ring barely fits anymore (both too big)"
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 01:28 am |
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Steampunk wrote: I don't really see anything wrong with the post I'm quoting except for this statement...
"Yes it is. There would be less cheating if people were not fat. Let's say my brother was married to a land whale and he was stuck there for the kids and financial reasons. It would bother me to see him disrespected like that."
I just find it funny because I know plenty of thin couples who cheat on each other. This isn't actually a statistical fact, it's just an assumption. People cheat for all sorts of reasons. Fat people cheat, skinny people cheat. Also, why does your example have the woman being fat but the man being skinny? O.o
The state in the US with the highest divorce rates are in the South. They are also the fattest states. It makes sense. Gluttony is the result of lack of self control food. Cheating is the result of lack of self control when it comes to sex.
Speaking personally, I could work as a photographer shooting beautiful women and not be tempted. The same is true for food. I could work in a bakery and not eat all the donuts.
If a lean spouse cheats on a fat spouse because the the fat spouse is repulsive I can't fault the lean spouse.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 01:29 am |
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Steampunk wrote: "Get your butt in that wedding gown! You owe to your family!"
She just said that her wedding gown and ring are both too big, why would she owe it to her family to gain weight? O.o
"Lol that hasn't fit in ages.But thanks for the reminder to send it to the resale shop. Heck,my wedding ring barely fits anymore (both too big)"
Sorry my bad.
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Steampunk
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 01:35 am |
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No problem. xD
I'd say if the lean spouse is unhappy they should leave. Fat or not, people still have feelings and if you're that unhappy, I think you should take the high road and leave but that's just me. It's forgetting that you're talking about people, not chattel, that's bad.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 18 Oct 2011 02:01 am |
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"There may be a revolution and the fit will survive. If people start taking out the corporate pigs it will be the fit ones who do it and take the risks. Some fat waddling slob who blew his knees out won't ever be placed in danger serving his country."
Maybe that's why the closest think we have to social unrest is the tea party and the "occupy movement" . What do they do? they sit, they order pizza. (shaking head)
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