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JSABD
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Posted: 11 Aug 2011 07:32 pm |
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A drunk, cigarette smoke and a heroine addict have a much greater chance of getting clean, sober and smoke free than a glutton has of reforming his/her vulgar lifestyle. I have a whole lot more sympathy for drunks, smokers and junkies than I do for gluttons. Drunks. smokers and junkies are stigmatized. Maybe that is why they have a higher reform rate. There is a sense of urgency with them as well but gluttony is socially acceptable these days. I hate to be the one to break it to you but if you are fat YOU ARE A GLUTTON!
Today's glutton gets salved and excused. Out of political correctness we pretend to believe their lies. We don't confront them but as a society we certainly exploit them.
OK Mr/Mrs Smoker, you have to go out side if you want to smoke and BTW why won't you go on the patch or at least smoke those vapor cigarettes? We can't tell fat people to go outside and be fat and not eat their junk food around children.
We do interventions on junkies and drunks but not on gluttons. In reality we care more about preventing heroine addiction, alcoholism and lung cancer than we do the many co morbid conditions that go with gluttony/Obesity. We are not afraid of offending drunks, junkies and smokers but God forbid we ruffle the feathers of a fatling by suggesting that gluttony may be the cause of their deplorable condition.
I'm not afraid to call a glutton a glutton and neither should you. Being politically correct has not worked. Mollycoddling has not worked. It doesn't work with creeps like Charlie Sheen and it won't work with fatlings.
At least 1/2 the diets presented on CPH would be fine for weight loss and health. Nir like Joel Fuhrman's diet and so do I. Look at Nir. He's proof it works so there is no need for discussion. Do what he did. Don't talk about it. DO IT!
You don't need to admit that you are a glutton, you need to know it and then you need to decide to do something about it. I would suggest that you gather some humility and once you realize you are a glutton tell everyone you see.
I won't let you off the hook but I will say that you live in a glutton enabling society and why wouldn't it be? 75% of Americans are fat or obese gluttons. For every brave and honest voice like mine, Jamie Oliver's or MeMe Roth's there are 100's of voices salving, excusing and crying foul. For every one voice saying that it is your fault there are 100 saying it isn't.
The Bottom Line
For the past 40 years the salve the glutton approach has been a dismal failure. What I do WORKS! Time for your medicine.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 12 Aug 2011 11:13 pm |
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POSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT LOSING WEIGHT, EXERCISE, AND NUTRITIONAL EATING FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CARE CAN BE FOUND IN THE OTHER CATEGORIES ON THESE FORUMS. THIS "TOUGH LOVE" CATEGORY IS NOT SUPPORTED BY MOST OF THE MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM. 
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 01:03 am |
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MichelleP wrote: POSITIVE INFORMATION ABOUT LOSING WEIGHT, EXERCISE, AND NUTRITIONAL EATING FROM PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY CARE CAN BE FOUND IN THE OTHER CATEGORIES ON THESE FORUMS. THIS "TOUGH LOVE" CATEGORY IS NOT SUPPORTED BY MOST OF THE MEMBERS ON THIS FORUM.
I here that colonic therapy will help some people lose weight. Let me know how it works.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 01:11 am |
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| You just keep proving what I said in my big red letters to be correct.
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 02:23 am |
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MichelleP wrote: You just keep proving what I said in my big red letters to be correct.
Try 2 quarts and repeat as needed. I don't know if they make a nozzle for your ear. That is where it would do the most good.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 02:29 am |
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| Well what good would it do me in losing weight if I put it in my ear? Oh yea, I bet it has something to do with my supposed fattitude. Ah ha ha you are so not funny. Whatever J. Last edited on 13 Aug 2011 03:27 am by MichelleP
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 03:48 am |
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MichelleP wrote: Well what good would it do me in losing weight if I put it in my ear? Oh yea, I bet it has something to do with my supposed fattitude. Ah ha ha you are so not funny. Whatever J.
Your fattitude is very real. I hope that my fact and logic and humility enemas will flush out the fattitude.
I know you are getting all swooned communicating with a man like me but you would do much better going into a chat room and pretending that you are hot and slender to fuel your fantasy. Right here you are making a spectacle of yourself. Why do fat girls chase after men they can never get.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 03:51 am |
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| Stop private messaging me.
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 04:26 am |
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MichelleP wrote: Stop private messaging me.
Ignore them drama queen. I pm'd you once and responded you your response. You have my permission to make them public.
Until you lose the fattitude here is what you will never be ie a REAL Woman.
Men want to see here and fat girls want to be her but you hate her because she reminds you of everything you are never going to be.
Bammy girl and Tankgirl are well on their way to becoming a woman men want to see and fat girls want to be. They respect their bodies and their families and Bammy did not disrespect the word of her god to score debate points. Bammygirl will be even hotter than the woman in the picture and so will Tankgirl.
Imagine how much the men in their lives will appreciate that. Men want their women to love them more than food.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 11:57 am |
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| I wish Bammywoman and Tankwoman all the best in their weight loss efforts.
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 03:55 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: I wish Bammywoman and Tankwoman all the best in their weight loss efforts.
I doubt that. You want them to be part of the fat girl club. You would be wise to join them MichellePgirl.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 04:08 pm |
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Michelle I wish you all success too, but I don't get my motivation from "Tough Love" . I might as well tell my sob story.
Within 6 months of each other, I watched three relatives deal with health issues that could have been prevented with the right diet. ( And for that matter Me and M2 disagree on what that means)
1. My uncle: He was morbidly obese since I was born, but he seemed never to have health issues. That changed quickly. first heart surgery , then diabetes. He didn't take care of himself, so that lead to a toe being amputated, then dialysis, then death within a few years. During that time, my mother was driving 40 miles back an d forth to help him do basic things, make sure he took his medication, and do his grocery shopping. I've been on some bizarre fad diets over the years, but a diet for someone on dialysis makes all of those look easy. At the same time my mother is also the main caregiver for my 100 year old grandmother, who is very demanding on her own. I still don't know how she did it.
After his death, She, my dad and I cleaned and packed up the house, and we found all this food that he should not have been eating. We don't know how he got it- but it felt like a slap in the face. I've never seen junk food the same way again.
2.)Father in Law had seven way coronary bypass and was also diagnosed with diabetes.I'll never forget what my mother in law looked like sitting in that hospital , absolutely terrified. Since then he's had a series of mini-strokes that have taken him from a happy guy that loved to laugh to someone quiet and depressed. They weren't insured, so they nearly lost their home because of the $200k medical bill. I'd never want to put hubs through that.
3.) My Dad is now pre-diabetic, on metaformin. Thank heaven, no insulin.
So now I have diabetes on both sides of my family.That means to avoid it I'll need to be more vigilant about it the rest of my life.There's also some good news genetically with my grandma living past 100.So I think of my diet as a long term experiment- what would the rest of my life be like if I never ate refined sugar or grains again?
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 08:01 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Michelle I wish you all success too, but I don't get my motivation from "Tough Love" . I might as well tell my sob story.
You should.
Within 6 months of each other, I watched three relatives deal with health issues that could have been prevented with the right diet. ( And for that matter Me and M2 disagree on what that means)
I'm not fat.
1. My uncle: He was morbidly obese since I was born, but he seemed never to have health issues. That changed quickly. first heart surgery , then diabetes. He didn't take care of himself, so that lead to a toe being amputated, then dialysis, then death within a few years. During that time, my mother was driving 40 miles back an d forth to help him do basic things, make sure he took his medication, and do his grocery shopping. I've been on some bizarre fad diets over the years, but a diet for someone on dialysis makes all of those look easy. At the same time my mother is also the main caregiver for my 100 year old grandmother, who is very demanding on her own. I still don't know how she did it.
Look how selfish he was and your 100 year old granny had to bury one of her kids and because he loved food above all else.
After his death, She, my dad and I cleaned and packed up the house, and we found all this food that he should not have been eating. We don't know how he got it- but it felt like a slap in the face. I've never seen junk food the same way again.
The Catholics make a distinction in sins. The believe in mortal and venial sins. A venial sin is like swearing where you do something impulsively but a mortal sin is doing something you know is wrong and doing it anyway. Catholics believe that venial sins can be expunged in purgatory but mortal sins if they are not removed from your soul will send you to #%@&!. If they are correct, Fat Uncle is on Satan's spit right now and they smell of him cooking is driving him nuts.
2.)Father in Law had seven way coronary bypass and was also diagnosed with diabetes.I'll never forget what my mother in law looked like sitting in that hospital , absolutely terrified. Since then he's had a series of mini-strokes that have taken him from a happy guy that loved to laugh to someone quiet and depressed. They weren't insured, so they nearly lost their home because of the $200k medical bill. I'd never want to put hubs through that.
More greedy selfishness and gluttony. What a lemming. $200K in the pockets of some greedy doctors that didn't have the decency to do what I do. Old time doctors would rebuke their fat patients. Today's spineless overpaid doctors exploit them.
3.) My Dad is now pre-diabetic, on metaformin. Thank heaven, no insulin.
So now I have diabetes on both sides of my family.That means to avoid it I'll need to be more vigilant about it the rest of my life.There's also some good news genetically with my grandma living past 100.So I think of my diet as a long term experiment- what would the rest of my life be like if I never ate refined sugar or grains again?
I like you Tankgirl. I offer my services free of charge for your dad. Men are a much easier fix. Let me know and I will give you the contact info. I will probably have to work with both parents. If you want the program I will do it in the TL forum.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 09:20 pm |
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I'm fat? No kidding, imagine that -fat people in a weight loss forum.
Won't be eventually. I can't imagine why I'd fall off track. There's nothing I miss that I haven't made my own version of by now.
Frankly I have to wonder how my dad would take it. I don't believe he's an intentional glutton, just has those ideas of food bieng love or food bieng entertainment. He wants everyone to be happy and making or taking us out to dinner is his way of doing it. What drives me crazy is when I get annoyed at him going for the breadbasket or ordering dessert he thinks it's because of my diet. It's because he saw what my uncle went through and I worry about him. My mom is very passionate about health so she's woking on him. IF anybody needs help it's my best friend that I talked about earlier. I'll see if her hub's up for it if my "Plan A " fails.
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JSABD
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Posted: 13 Aug 2011 10:13 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: I'm fat? No kidding, imagine that -fat people in a weight loss forum.
Won't be eventually. I can't imagine why I'd fall off track. There's nothing I miss that I haven't made my own version of by now.
Nobody goes on a diet intending to fail but most people do. I think you will succeed but why do you think you will succeed and why do you think most people fail?
Frankly I have to wonder how my dad would take it. I don't believe he's an intentional glutton, just has those ideas of food bieng love or food bieng entertainment. He wants everyone to be happy and making or taking us out to dinner is his way of doing it. What drives me crazy is when I get annoyed at him going for the breadbasket or ordering dessert he thinks it's because of my diet. It's because he saw what my uncle went through and I worry about him. My mom is very passionate about health so she's woking on him. IF anybody needs help it's my best friend that I talked about earlier. I'll see if her hub's up for it if my "Plan A " fails.
When I do email counseling nobody knows my gender unless I feel they need to know it. I think all gluttons are intentional to some degree. Fat Bass tard is the epitome of an intentional glutton. He is the glutton's glutton.
You really can't tell people what to do because they won't do it. They have to think it is there idea unless they are really serious and willing to do what it takes. When they learn what needs to be done and then learn how it's done and then you ask them for all the reasons for why they can't do it. You've trapped them. They think differently after that. They know they have no excuses left and they also know it can be done and that they can do it.
There is a set up that takes a few weeks and you have to know the timing. I will explain privately unless you want to go through the process.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 08:53 am |
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| Those are some great motivations Tankwoman!
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 06:18 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: Those are some great motivations Tankwoman!
Find your own motivations P-girl.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 10:56 pm |
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why do you think you will succeed and why do you think most people fail?
I think the reason is because I got it through my head that this is for the rest of my life. I don't dive a rip if it's a special occasion, a holiday or what somebody brought into the office. If it's made with grains or sugar, it's probably going to make me feel crummy and it's more than likely going to keep me shopping at Lame Bryant. Plus with what I saw with my uncle, it's kind of like meeting up with the Ghost of Christmas Future.
I think people fail because they think of a diet as a short term solution, that when they're done they can go right back to eating garbage again. It's like Charlie Sheen quitting drugs just for show then going back to it.
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JSABD
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 12:54 am |
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| Bingo!
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McBalls
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 09:20 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: I'm fat? No kidding, imagine that -fat people in a weight loss forum.
Hahahaha, you crack me up, Andrea. You never seem to be ruffled at all by this guy, you always keep rolling with the punches. You'll succeed for sure, I know you will. You're a very strong and level-headed person.
Congrats on the 100lb loss! That's a small person, ffs! I hope that you are proud of yourself. M2 is gonna rip me a new one for the 'Atta girl', but you truly deserve it. Not only are you making positive changes in your life, but you are doing so not only for yourself but for others. I have faith that you will reach your goals, and you will move on to help the people you wish to help.
Michelle- Arguing with M2 is redundant. He has a message to get out there, and he will continue regardless of what you say. That is the whole purpose of the Tough Love forum, to keep him in a place where he is free to spread his word. People come here as a last resort. You don't need to come here and try to make it the 'Love' forum- that is what the rest of the forum is for. Anyone with half a brain reading this stuff knows it's over-the-top and littered with satire. The thing is, these things that hurt to hear are often the very things that motivate people to change. Try to see where he is coming from. From what I understand this guy is extremely passionate about helping people reform their eating habits, although his tactics are a little Avante Garde to say the least. If you believe that you can reform your habits through different methods, there's no reason for you to torment yourself over anything said here. But if you've tried everything and still can't make positive changes, perhaps you need to wake up to the real negativity in the way you are living.
Essentially, you come to Tough Love to get the 'bullying' you need to want to change. A lot of children and adults don't do anything about their weight until they are bullied enough. It's awful, but, like many other awful things it's the TRUTH. If you already know the truth, stop hurting and do something about your problems. If you still need it drilled into your head, then by all means, continue banging it against the wall.
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JSABD
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 09:58 pm |
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Andrea is a good egg.
I have offered Michelle and olive branch via PM and I told her she can make all our PMs public. I don't think she is here to lose weight. I think she's a saboteur. She's like Puffs Plus. She came here to fight with me and not to lose weight and as you know M2 likes a good fight even though he maybe outweighed bu 300 pounds.
Avante Gaarde? I am the Ornette Colman and Sun Ra of weight loss.
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Nir
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 04:23 am |
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My take.
If I had to boil your approach into a catchphrase, you are attempting to argue someone into submission.
Whilst that approach may work it also draws in people who just like to argue or who don't like changes ('tough love' may become established here but up till now you have been a new thing everywhere you appeared), think that an internet forum needs defending against trolls etc.
I think that so long as the person (PuffsPlus, MichelleP etc.) believes that they 'know what they are doing' they have no reason to ask for help and whilst they waiver the antagonistic posting style makes it less likely they'll ask for help from you.
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 04:35 am |
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| Obesity is a medical condition in which excess body fat has accumulated to the extent that it may have an adverse effect on health, leading to reduced life expectancy and/or increased health problems. Body mass index (BMI), a measurement which compares weight and height, defines people as overweight (pre-obese) if their BMI is between 25 and 30 kg/m2, and obese when it is greater than 30 kg/m2. The usual understanding is that being overweight or overweight means there is a higher risk for health issues. Two brand new studies released today, however, call this conclusion into question. The study indicates that the Body mass index scale doesn't accurately predict health risk factors. BMI and obesity may not predict health problems as BMI become controversial because many people, including physicians, have come to rely on its apparent numerical authority for medical diagnosis, but that was never the BMI's purpose; it is meant to be used as a simple means of classifying sedentary (physically inactive) individuals with an average body composition. Dieting and physical exercise are the mainstays of treatment for obesity.
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JSABD
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 10:26 am |
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Nir wrote: My take.
If I had to boil your approach into a catchphrase, you are attempting to argue someone into submission.
Whilst that approach may work it also draws in people who just like to argue or who don't like changes ('tough love' may become established here but up till now you have been a new thing everywhere you appeared), think that an internet forum needs defending against trolls etc.
I think that so long as the person (PuffsPlus, MichelleP etc.) believes that they 'know what they are doing' they have no reason to ask for help and whilst they waiver the antagonistic posting style makes it less likely they'll ask for help from you.
Protagonist antagonist is all in the eye of the beholder.
I lay my cards on the table and people like Puffs and Michelle don't. They sit back and snipe and make excuses. They blame everything and everyone but themselves. In the US there is a show called intervention and why the family confronts the druggie or the drunk they too blame everyone and everything for their behaviors. Because gluttony doesn't have the same social stigma as other forms of substance abuse more people are swayed by the irrational arguments and sneaky counter attacks by people like Puffs and Michelle. I offered them both the same kind and supportive approach publicly or privately they you are seeing with Tankgirl but they were too concerned about winning an unwinnable argument with me in their futile attempt to defend the indefensible with their logical fallacies. By refusing to indulge them in their BS I confront their irrational statements, feelings, behaviors and fattitudes. Sadly not all interventions are successful. Stubborn gluttony is a tough thing to defeat but every intervention chips away at the fattitude and it serves as an example to others on how to behave in a positive manner.
I do beat people into submission and what they submit is is truth, reality and logic. I ask them fair questions and if they don't like the obvious and honest answers it is not me being cruel. They with their lies and denials are the ones being cruel. They are being cruel to their bodies and to their loved ones. They are allowing that tiny organ, the tongue to control much of their destiny.
In spite of all the nasty and hateful things Puffs and Michelle said to me I would still offer my help to them. I hope that logic prevail and untangles their tangled minds and they both have an epiphany someday.
If I may be so bold, at this point there are at least 3 people who are well on their way to never being fat again. I was not going to allow people like Puffs or Michelle spoil that by indulging them in their BS. They can find plenty of other people to salve them and pretend to believe their excuses. I don't lead people down that road and when they try to drag others down that road they are in for a very rude awakening.
People can survive their gluttony without weight loss surgery. This is not an easy fight because not only are we fighting human nature we are fighting a politically correct food centric society and the normalization of obesity and gluttony.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 11:19 am |
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| I never made lame excuses as to why I got fat. I got fat the same way everyone else gets fat, duh! I've lost more then 70 pounds on my own, which proves that I know how to lose weight, therefore I don't need J's help. Call that fattitude, sabatoging or whatever you like. Point is I know how to do it, have been doing it and will continue to do it until I reach my goals. Pretty simple really!
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JSABD
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 04:07 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: I never made lame excuses as to why I got fat. I got fat the same way everyone else gets fat, duh!
How did it happen?
I've lost more then 70 pounds on my own, which proves that I know how to lose weight, therefore I don't need J's help.
All that proves is that you lost 70 pounds. If you are like most fat people you will gain it all back and then some.
Call that fattitude, sabatoging or whatever you like.
I call it what it is! Until you lose the fattitude you will never permanently lose the fat.
Point is I know how to do it, have been doing it and will continue to do it until I reach my goals. Pretty simple really!
Anybody knows how to lose weight (Find a sensible diet and stick with it) but they rarely do it. You behavior is that of an arrogant spoiled fat girl and until you show a little contrition and humility I don't see much hope for you. Let's hope I'm wrong.
Maybe you will stay slender but you may end you like the proverbial dry drunk who never really dealt with his alcoholic personality. Then you may become a bulimic.
Clearly Michelle, and I am not saying this to be mean, you are not the picture of mental health. A lot of people aren't and that does not make them bad people. You're human and you have issues. We can help you with those issues. If you read the JS experiment thread that Tankgirl started you would find it helpful. Feel free to take issue with it but take issue with the content and stop making it personal.
Here is what happen. You got all histrionic and you attacked me. I could have ignored you and allowed you to continue in your delusions but instead I lambasted you but at the same time I was offering you a lifeline and graceful way out. That offer stand and I am sure that others here will offer their help.
Here is the bottom line MichelleP, There is a way out of the yo yo dieting and all your other food issues. You, like all of us have some learning to do. You need to learn humility and altruism. You need to learn that your behavior and fattitudes impact on others.
Here are two things I would like you to think about before you flap your jaws.
1. People are neither bad or good. They merely choose positive or negative behaviors, beliefs and attitudes.
2. This thing we call self esteem is a sickness.
The door is open.
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McBalls
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 05:24 pm |
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| If you don't need his help... then why are you here arguing with him? Like, honestly, what do you gain from trying to prove him wrong? Yeah, some people can lose weight without his methods, and that's fantastic. But, his approach is beneficial to some, and you're only trying to tear that down. It may not be what YOU need, but it works for others. Why would you want to prevent the people for whom it does work from finding their solution?
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JSABD
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 06:01 pm |
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She's a saboteur. She may not know it but she is.
We are not her enemy but we will not allow her ramblings to harm others.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 09:33 am |
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| Sticks and stones.... It is pointless feeding into your bs J. So, adios poor little toolboy.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 06:24 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: Sticks and stones.... It is pointless feeding into your bs J. So, adios poor little toolboy.
There is so much hostility. I had a male client like you. He had unresolved issues with his deceased father. He was a very aggressive meat eater but because he was a male he came at me straight on. He had male logic ie logical logic. When I suggest that biting and chewing were a form of aggression being logical and with my help he developed strategies for dealing with.
You have anger issues MichelleP and that means that you may not be entirely a run of the mill glutton. I said MAY not be.
"Sticks and stones." goes to your hatred of skinny girl ie sticks and stones refers to testicles which is your hatred of males. Did a slender woman steal your man?
It is pointless FEEDING into your BS J. It is pointless feeding and expecting not to be fat.
"Poor little tool boy" tells me you don't want a real man and the tool reference refers to a discreet Trojan vibrator. That is your tool boy. It is something you can control. You can't control a real man or your eating.
You have intimacy issues and you only want male that you think you can conquer. Men like me are what you want but can't have on your terms and that angers you. Until you change that is how it will be. That's reality girl.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 06:37 pm |
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| If you really knew me, not just thought you knew me, then you would realize how full of fallacies your logic about me is. Doesn't even matter. You are you.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 06:51 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: If you really knew me, not just thought you knew me, then you would realize how full of fallacies your logic about me is. Doesn't even matter. You are you.
Michelle you are fat and hostile and I am me. I am not fat or hostile. I know I am hitting a nerve with you and the fact that I can so easily tells me that you have major issues.
You say it doesn't matter but it matters enough for you to respond.
I wish you could read between the lines of the stuff you write because when it comes to logical fallacies you are the poster girl.
McBalls put it very well when he said that you would be better off putting your energies into figuring out why you won't learn to eat right than debating me. If I am so full of beans why are you even bothering with me?
Why is it so important for you to win?
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 07:11 pm |
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| Just because I don't agree with or like your approach does not mean that I have major issues. People can and do disagree with you. Is that so hard to believe? Last edited on 18 Aug 2011 07:20 pm by MichelleP
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 07:42 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: Just because I don't agree with or like your approach does not mean that I have major issues. People can and do disagree with you. Is that so hard to believe?
Explain my approach. If you were to describe my "approach" how would you describe it.
My approach is honesty. I use the word gluttony to describe the behavior of most fat people.
The fact that you are fat, hostile, in denial, irrational and confrontational proves you have issues.
What is it about my approach that you think is wrong?
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:24 pm |
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| Doesn't matter what I explain you find a way to twist it around to fit your agenda. I'm done arguing with you. How about we agree to disagree.
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McBalls
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:33 pm |
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| You've been done arguing a few times now... =|
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:35 pm |
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McBalls wrote: You've been done arguing a few times now... =|
True.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:44 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: Doesn't matter what I explain you find a way to twist it around to fit your agenda. I'm done arguing with you. How about we agree to disagree.
What is my agenda in your mind?
You need to stop being fat but you have not done it.
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McBalls
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:53 pm |
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Really, what we're trying to do here isn't as malicious as it seems. It really is tough love. You may disagree with the approach, and that's fine. If you've found a way that works for you that's awesome. But this is a method that I think will see more success in the near future.
For centuries people in Japan have used shame as a means to 'scare' people into keeping their weight in check. You don't see many fat Japanese people, even now. The obesity numbers are on the rise over there nowadays, but in the past when the culture was untainted by the Wild West, there was seldom a problem with people being overweight or obese. In the present, they have implemented a law that restricts citizens from having too large of a waist. Hold your horses. They aren't telling you to be 20" around. It's something like 33" for men, and 35 for women. Yes, women get more leniency. If anyone exceeds the measurement, they aren't really in trouble, but rather forced into a learning program so they may rediscover a healthy lifestyle.
Vikings and Celtics used to have a belt that each village member would try on. If it was too small, the person was banished from the village until they became fit. This is a little extreme by todays standards, but compare it to the social isolation experienced by many of those with weight problems and it doesn't seem too different. You're forcing yourself into social exile. Or atleast, many people are. You may very well still have a social circle, but chances are, they are the other people also in 'exile'.
Tough love has worked for a very long time, it's been the number one solution in the past for more problems than just weight. Shame is not a pleasant thing to feel, but with feeling shame and humiliation comes humility. Ridiculous behaviour deserves ridicule, and ridicule, in many cases, can be treated as a learning experience.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:57 pm |
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| I've never heard of the law in Japan about waist size. Interesting, and I'll have to go read up on that one.
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Aug 2011 12:18 am |
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MichelleP wrote: I've never heard of the law in Japan about waist size. Interesting, and I'll have to go read up on that one.
Forget about Japan; you are not Japanese. If you were you would have the style, grace and humility of a Japanese women. There are reasons why men prefer Asian women over White and Black women. One is because women raised in Asia aren't fat. The other reason is they behave with grace and style.
She really is better than most American Women in many many ways.
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Posted: 19 Aug 2011 06:26 am |
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I'd be thin, too If I lived in Japan - I'd spend my money on gadgets and Hello Kitty junk and never have any left for food!
By the way does "Bento"in Japanese translate to "portion control"?
Last edited on 19 Aug 2011 06:27 am by Tankgirl
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MichelleP
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Posted: 19 Aug 2011 09:54 am |
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Here's an article that explains the Japanese law.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/13/world/asia/13fat.html
I'd be curious to know if this law has made a difference in Japan, can't seem to find any current info about that.
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Aug 2011 03:44 pm |
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Here are the top 20 worldwide obesity rates ranked by country. This only takes into account OECD countries. Obesity in America continues to be a problem.
1) USA: 30.6 percent USA! USA! USA! USA!
2) Mexico: 24.2 percent
3) UK: 23 percent
4) Slovakia: 22.4 percent
5) Greece: 21.9 percent
6) Australia: 21.7 percent
7) New Zealand: 20.9 percent
8) Hungary: 18.8 percent
9) Luxembourg: 18.4 percent
10) Czech Rep: 14.8 percent
11) Canada: 14.3 percent
12) Spain: 13.1 percent
13) Ireland: 13 percent
14) Germany: 12.9 percent
15) Portugal: 12.8 percent
16) Finland: 12.8 percent
17) Iceland: 12.4 percent
18) Turkey: 12 percent
19) Belgium: 11.7 percent
20) Netherlands: 10 percent
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity
Japan and South Korea is 3.2%
The Japanese culture is better than ours. Americans who live their fall in love with the culture. Look how Americans behaved during Katrina.
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