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Trudijane
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 06:35 pm |
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Hello,
I just joined this forum and after a year of eating 1/2 gallon of ice cream every 24 hours, I realize now that I have to STOP or I'm heading for diabetes which runs in my family.
I don't weigh myself, but I'd say I'm about 25lb overweight. I've also been urinating so excessively that I'm losing a lot of sleep during the night. So bottom line is that I need to lose the weight I've gained and start exercising again which I also stopped.
I have a specific question about "popsicles." I find it really is helping me cut down on the ice cream, and after looking at the nutrition information, it looks like there's nothing wrong with my eating them (altho I could go through a whole box of them easily).
These are the Dreyer's fruit bars.
Total fat -0g
Cholesterol - 0g
Total Carbs - 11g
Sugars - 10 g
1 BAR is 45 Calories
I'm concerned about the sugar I suppose. One bar would probably not hurt, but I can eat several at a time. Are these OK for me? Or do I need to cut down.
Thank you.
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Nir
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 07:14 pm |
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I've seen a general guideline that added sugar should be no more than 5-10% of your total calories.
Let's say you were on a 2000 calorie diet, that would be 100-200 calories
so this popsicle is eating 1/4 to 1/2 into your added sugars allocation
technically you could lose weight on an all-popsicle diet, if you didn't care about feeling hungry or being unhealthy...
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Nir
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 07:20 pm |
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I also want to add that Dr Fuhrman recommends a nutritional approach to 'reverse' diabetes which centres around eating a "greens and beans" diet to control blood sugar.
I don't think eating refined sugar is at all a good idea for you
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Trudijane
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 07:33 pm |
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Hi,
I plan on eating a more nutritionally balanced diet in general. All I wanted to know is that at night, after I have a piece of skinless chicken or fish, would it be OK to have a few popsicles? I'm trying to cut down from eating 1/2 gallon ice cream every 24 hours and it's not easy.
I don't know what Dr. Fuhrman's Green & Bean Diet is. I started today by not having any pound cake with my decaf coffee. It's a start. I don't care about having repetitive things for breakfast or lunch. Dinner is a big question mark for me.
In the AM, I usually have Kashi cereal with some blueberries and Soy Milk. I'm not a lunch person, but so I'm not too hungry by dinner, I try and each an Apple or Cantelope.
I was also wondering if I combined a salad and/or vegetables with a Lean Cuisine, would that be acceptable? When I have time at night, I would cook fish or chicken along with a simple salad of lettuce, avocado and mushrooms.
Trudijane
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 07:46 pm |
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instead of Popsicles, maybe frozen strawberries? Thawed out just a bit they're like little balls of sorbet. They still have naturally occurring sugar, but they also have fiber.
Plus, there's the wait to thaw one portion at a time so it may slow your eating somewhat.
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Trudijane
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 09:23 pm |
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Tankgirl,
I like Strawberries a lot too, even non-frozen. Problem is, I don't know when to stop.
Today, I already had 3 popsicles for snacks. My overall diet probably will be 1000 calories or less. They taste just like "fruit" which is why they are called fruit bars!!! I guess it's not the best thing to snack on, but it's a big transition from eating SO much ice cream which had become an addiction (there's a local ice cream place here that I think has the best in the world). I NEVER had a sweet tooth until I discovered their Ice Cream.
I better stop thinking about it.
Trudijane
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suenos
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 09:29 pm |
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| oooh, I totally get the whole ice cream craving thing. The frozen strawberries are a great idea. Another good substitute to get you over the "hump" is frozen blueberries, plain (but not fat-free) yogurt, some almond slivers or chopped walnuts and a couple of tablespoons of sugar-free/fat free yogurt in blender with some crushed ice. For months I a cup of something similar to this this every single night after work and I swear it felt like eating my nightly quart of ice cream - umm, cause that's what I ate before. I bet if you just keep playing around with different combinations, you'll find one that is personally satisfying
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Trudijane
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 09:37 pm |
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Thanks for your help.
I LOVE blueberries, but I have quite a lot of them in my cereal every morning since I learned how good they were for you.
I guess I'll try the frozen strawberries. Of course there's a question of how many strawberries is considered OK since I don't seem to know when to stop.
I'm not to fond of yogurt for some reason. Mr. Dr. said popsicles were OK, but I think he meant a few and I can eat 12, one after another (one stick). Calorie-wise, that doesn't amount to much at all, but I'm worried about the sugar factor. I thought I had found a substitute that was healthier and now I have to give up that?
I'll try the frozen strawberries first. Do I eat them frozen or have to wait until they thaw out a bit?
Trudijane
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suenos
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 09:45 pm |
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How about raspberries and blackberries? Or a smothie made with crushed ice and papaya or watermelon? Maybe you could get a list of acceptable fruits from your doc and have fun experimenting?
Hershey's Dark Cocoa Powder (has zero sugar and a very small amount of fat) is awsome if you take frozen berries, let them thaw out just a little bit and put the cocoa in a baggie with the fruit and shake it up. The cocoa will adhere to the moisture on the slightly thawed fruit and it's like eating chocolate covered berries - ummm well I guess cause that's what it is.
eta: in case you can't tell, I'm one of those people who thinks life just isn't as much fun without one daily yummy....and I promise, if you're willing to experiment and end up with a few (okay, more than a few) "that's horrible, what was I thinking" type dishes along the way, you'll end up with an entire arsenal of "OMG that's good - and healthy - and low calorie" treats you can whip up in the end.
Last edited on 21 Jul 2011 09:53 pm by suenos
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 06:49 am |
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Oh yum Suenos - too bad I'm out of cocoa powder again - you'd think I was eating it by itself! :P Tried the same thing with cinnamon though, that's great too.
Costco sells frozen blue/black/rasberries in HUGE bags - snacking on them straight from the freezer is my version of a candy dish.
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Nir
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 10:14 am |
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When I make smoothies with frozen fruit, I make them in a normal food processor (with an S-blade) so I slightly thaw the fruit by first microwaving half a minute on full power in the microwave.
Strawberries are 27 calories per 100g. That means a pound of strawberries are 123 calories. Simply fit then into your intended calorie intake for the day. Easier to fit in than popsicles, ice-cream or cake.
If you were already a diabetic taking medication and insulin units then you would carefully be counting your carb intake in order to calculate how much "units" of medication to balance it with.
I appreciate you are transitioning from "imperfect" eating but the key is to see how much extra vegetables you can incorporate into your eating. Vegetables for breakfast, vegetables as snacks etc. See if you can "crowd" some other food out of your diet using vegetables - they are healthy, they stabalise your blood sugars too. (and the "greens and beans" reference was the idea that a diabetic should principally think of themselves as eating mostly green vegetables and beans.)
You say your overall intake is 1000 calories or less, may I ask for your height / weight / age to do a couple of calculations?
I have not always eaten "clean". I have a distinct memory of myself in 1996 (age 23) on the "all ice-cream diet", commuting to work on a sunny day clutching a 1.5 litre circular tub of ice-cream which I would consume during the journey. In fact I would describe my relationship with food, especially junk food, as an addiction.
If you think reading about healthy eating might motivate you, try this http://tinyurl.com/EatRightFree
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Trudijane
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 03:22 pm |
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First, I've never really counted calories except when I was on "Weight Watchers" diet awhile ago when I gained some weight I wanted to lose. I just know that I didn't eat too much, but I didn't have a balanced nutritional diet (not a lot of vegetables); however I also was never into eating junk food except for brief period when I craved McDonald's french fries. I went through a phase where I just had Mintzes Blintzes from Trader Joes (supposedly non-dairy) and just had them for dinner.
As for your suggestion of having veggies morning, noon and night, and think that would quickly fail as it's the last thing I would think of eating at any time and the deprivation would get to me. To be honest, I don't think I'd want to eat vegetables all day long. I think for now that just stopping the ice cream alone will have a significant effect on my losing weight along with my beginning taking long walks again. I used to be very athletic until I developed a back problem which caused me to go on disability. I also have been diagnosed with having a Hiatal Hernia which eliminates certain foods that I can eat.
I'm 5'2" tall, and I never weigh myself (but I would estimate 140?) and I'm over 50. I know you are trying to be helpful, but I'm not that interested in calculations, etc. but I do know what a balanced, nutritional diet is. I have a few things to learn, I know, but I am doing lots of research.
As for having veggies for snacks, the only 2 that I can think of that I wouldn't mind eating are cold brocolli and carrots.
I will check out the link you sent me. Thanks.
Trudijane
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 06:00 pm |
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JS:
"treats" are all in the perception.
You've used the example of oranges before. In Little House on the Prairie, an orange in a Christmas stocking was a decadent treat. Personally I think tangerines are still a treat. I even save the peel for my tea.
Yellow pear tomatoes are a treat that come 1-2 weeks a year and that's if you're lucky and get to the farmer's market early. Same with heirloom strawberries, baby asparagus, fresh beets, sweet corn... depends on the area, the list is pretty endless.
Wild blackberries are a treat worth the scratches and the effort that goes into picking them.
In my book, fancy mineral water like Metromint or LaCroix is a treat.But when it's really hot it's a good one!
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Trudijane
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 06:05 pm |
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I plan to eat healthy food - and you're wrong - I did come on here to see if eating popsicles after dinner would be OK as far as sugar content.
My clothes size went from a size 10 to a size 12. The is about the equivalent of 25 lb or less. There is NO way I am 50 lbs overweight. Also - not weighing myself is a psychological thing. If I see the actual #, it might trigger my chronic depression over the years. I firmly believe that if you feel well and fit into your clothes again, a "number" really doesn't tell you much.
I also didn't come on here to be "busted." I came on here to ask a specific question. I probably came to the wrong place. If you want to bust someone - bust someone else. I don't really care what you think I am here for (it was probably the first link on the google list). And I'm not in denial so there is no need to remind me that my problems are self-induced or I have been eating irresponsibly. You think I don't know that wolfing down so much ice cream is irresponsible? And then you question my Dr.? You know something? I think perhaps you should give yourself a treat every now and then. Perhaps your temperatment and ways of dealing with people just might improve. I hear quite a lot of anger behind your advice. Your behavior makes me want to do just the opposite of what you are telling me. I no longer want your advice - whoever you are - and thank you to the rest of the people who didn't sugar-coat anything (no pun intended) but gave me advice in a respectful way.
Good luck to all of you.
Now I am going to bust you. Here is a list of food and their glycemic index. http://www.lowglycemicdiet.com/gifoodlist.html
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:23 pm |
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Trudijane wrote: I also didn't come on here to be "busted."
Trudijane,
Welcome and please just ignore JSABD. He's into the "tough love" approach that frequently crosses over into boorishness, as you have already seen.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:26 pm |
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Very true about the "itch" - The junk food companies have spent billions on R&D to make that happen. Remember that slogan: "betcha can't eat just one?"
I don't think it's coincidental that RJ Reynolds, a cigarette company, owns Nabisco, or that Phillip Morris owns Kraft.Last edited on 22 Jul 2011 07:31 pm by Tankgirl
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:45 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: I don't think it's coincidental that RJ Reynolds, a cigarette company, owns Nabisco, or that Phillip Morris owns Kraft.
Yes, absolutely.
Also, check out the book The End of Overeating that talks about junk food and the hyperpalatabilty research that goes into it.
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Nir
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:49 pm |
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With your approximate stats, your unadjusted RMR works out approx 1200 calories so perhaps aim for this (rather than 1000 calories),
though I appreciate that'll be tricky to do if you're not planning to count your calories
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:51 pm |
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To the OP, I would suggest you see a registered dietician, as in a real licensed medical professional. Preferably one who is familiar with diabetics.
If you have IGT (precursor to full diabetes), then avoiding any type of blood sugar spike is probably a good idea. Ironically, even though popsicles are "healthier" than ice cream because they have less fat, they are more likely to make your blood sugar change suddenly because the fat in ice cream helps to keep the sugar in the ice cream from hitting your system all at once.
You can research diabetic diets online and how many "exchanges" of carbs you are allowed to have. You could also try freezing 1/2 bananas and eating those instead of ice cream or popsicles for a cold treat. I do know that in the diabetic diet, a banana is very high in sugar and so you are supposed to count a 1/2 banana as a full fruit exchange.
I suggest frozen bananas because they have a mouthfeel more similar to ice cream compared to frozen strawberries and other berries.
But if frozen fruit works for you too, also try frozen cherries. Very tasty, IMHO.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:53 pm |
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Trudijane wrote: These are the Dreyer's fruit bars.
Total fat -0g
Cholesterol - 0g
Total Carbs - 11g
Sugars - 10 g
1 BAR is 45 Calories
10 g of sugar is just short of a full tablespoon of sugar. One Tablespoon of pure sugar is between 12-13 grams.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 08:34 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote: Tankgirl wrote: I don't think it's coincidental that RJ Reynolds, a cigarette company, owns Nabisco, or that Phillip Morris owns Kraft.
Yes, absolutely.
Also, check out the book The End of Overeating that talks about junk food and the hyperpalatabilty research that goes into it.
America is a fascist country in many ways. Ron Paul called the corporatism in the this country a mild form of fascism and he is right. I am not anti-capitalist but it is immoral how the corporations manipulate our government and it's people in sinister ways way for obscene profits.
Puffs I agree. They have managed to exploit the neuro-biological mechanism of pleasure and hunger of a willing populace. They are not going to behave responsibly and they certainly do not want to correct their wrongs. As consumers we need to reject their slop and their poisons.
I admit it. I don't have a much respect for the obese but about all I would do regarding them is tell them to grow up and eat right and point out what I see the errors of their ways. That's really quite mild. I would not punch, spit on them or kick them and I would not wish them any harm except for the FA loons. I would punch, spit upon and kick many corporate gangsters. That weasel from BP comes to mind.
I see fat people as lemmings but I see corporatists as gangsters.
Everyone has motives and most motives are selfish and rarely some are altruistic. My motive for ending the obesity epidemic (as grandiose and delusional as that sounds) is not to help fat people. My motive is to wound the corporatists and the people who exploit obesity. I suppose in a way that is selfish because I would find it satisfying.
Again, it is my firm belief that the power to change is within everyone and in spite of the real hurdles like an "addiction" to junk food and strong persuasion by clever marketers the obese can reform.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 08:52 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote: Trudijane wrote: These are the Dreyer's fruit bars.
Total fat -0g
Cholesterol - 0g
Total Carbs - 11g
Sugars - 10 g
1 BAR is 45 Calories
10 g of sugar is just short of a full tablespoon of sugar. One Tablespoon of pure sugar is between 12-13 grams.
45 calories is about 2.5 teaspoons of table sugar. If it is made with fructose is had a GI of 16.
Here is a chart with the GI of foods and the GL (glycemic load) The GL is more important than the GI. Also is you eat a food with a high GI but you eat it along with other foods the glycemic load drops. http://lowcarbdiets.about.com/od/whattoeat/a/glycemicindlist.htm
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personsmom
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Posted: 23 Jul 2011 05:48 pm |
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In answer to your question about Popsicles: There are better choices as others have pointed out. The sugar without protein may cause a sugar spike. Great variances in your glucose is not good either.
Here is what I learned. I am a diabetic, no choice, card carrying, medicine taking, DIABETIC! Have processed it for apx. 9 years. I carb count (loosely) what I eat. Recently in a diabetes education class I learned a diabetic should max out their day UNDER 160 carbs. I don't eat 3 squares a day. So I count when I eat, what I have. The more fibrous something is the longer it takes for it to metabolize. Eating protein with carbs also slows down the process.
My opinion: Eating Popsicles before bed is probably not the smartest choice. Sugar spike and no activity to wear it off. Although if it helps you and it's not as much as you were consuming before, it's a step in the right direction. If there is a diabetes education class you can take, I STRONGLY suggest it. I have taken 2 and will soon be in a 3rd. The 1st one was paid for by my health insurance as I was newly diagnosed. The 2nd and 3rd are ones given freely by the clinic my Dr. is associated with.
Look at the total carb count of what you are eating. A serving of carbs = 15g. Portion control is necessary. Proteins (lean are best) and Veges are your friends. Peas, corn etc., high carb veges are not. Don't waste your carbs on drink. They don't fill you up enough. WHITE is not your friend unless its cauliflower or mushrooms.
Making livable changes for the rest and quality of your life. Old habits die hard. I have been and still am a work in progress. The ADA (American Diabetes Assoc.) has a website. Check it out and learn all you can.
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