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Cheryl417
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Posted: 2 Nov 2008 10:44 pm |
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Victor version 4.0 wrote: Newcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place.
Are you saying that because I have fewer than 10 post, you are too pompous to respond? You are obviously not a healthcare clinician so you should do your research before you respond with such negativity to all of those that HCG had worked for. Be it with more than 10 post or not..Mr. Oldie poster! I am in fact an RN, and a former paramedic. I have been in healthcare for 30 years. I have done my research and HCG does in fact work on resetting metabolism. If you understood how to read medical literature, which you obvioisly don't, you would know how it works and why. I will not waste anymore of my professional time responding to an OLDIE poster who obviously needs an attitude adjustment to go along with his loss of weight.
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EweWho
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Posted: 2 Nov 2008 11:16 pm |
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Cheryl, it wasn't against those with 10 posts or less, it was directly to me. He felt I was trolling forums selling hCG which I obviously wasn't doing.
You aren't going to convince naysayers like this. He has had success his way, diet and exercise, and everything else is wrong according to him, because he is blindly following what the FDA has fooled him into thinking instead of thinking and researching for himself.
You are right to not waste your breath, but I was rather enjoying the banter.
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DitzyOne
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Posted: 4 Nov 2008 12:09 pm |
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I am 41 and have struggled with my weight since I was a teenager.... Over the last 2 years I have tried unsuccessfully to lose weight... I will lose to a certain weight and then stop.. no amount of exercise or adjusting my calories would do anything to help this.. I have tried it all.. Seems all I do at this time is get frustrated and stop trying... At the begining of this year one of my co-workers went on the hcg diet.. I was like most.. totally NOT for it... I mean who in there right mind will inject a substance in their body!! hehehe as I watched her drop the weight I started doing research and realized that maybe this might work! I have been on the diet for 15 days now... and I feel wonderful! a few days ago I actually passed my problem point... even with the hcg it took so time to get over that hump! I was even beginning to think this wasnt going to work... but after 3 days of no weight loss I finally passed that barrier.. I follow the diet (MOSTLY) to a T ... only thing I dont listen to is creamer in my coffee.. I really tried to not do it but I just wasnt enjoying my coffee anymore :)
I have lost a total of 19 pounds.. the majority of that weight being lost in the first week(mostly water weight I am sure) ... the diet isnt really different than what I was eating before... only the choice of the veggies is different.. and of course the portions are MUCH smaller... one of my goals when I am done is to keep my portions small.. I dont think there is a problem eating most anything as long as you keep control of your portions...
Do your research... talk to a few doctors... and have an open mind... I personally am glad I chose a clinic for this though.. I was thinking of gettting the injections from mexico and doing it all on my own... I would not suggest this! at least not for the first time.. I think you should get blood work done and have a dr available if you need them..
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Cheryl417
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Posted: 4 Nov 2008 08:51 pm |
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Congratulations DitzyOne!!!!!! WOW ....What a milestone! You have done much better than me with regard to the amount of weight loss in a shirter time frame. I did good at the beginning, but my weight is leveling out despite staying strict to the diet. It's been 20 days for me and I have now taken 13 pounds off. Although, don't get me wrong..I am happy for the 13 pounds I've taken off. But... 19 pounds for you is wonderful! Be proud of youself! Reach around and pat yourself on the back. Losing weight is so difficult for some of us. Some people don't realize how hard it can be for some of us to do. So...Hats Off and Three Cheers to YOU! Keep up the great work! I wish you continued success! Keep us posted.
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Darlene5
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 01:48 am |
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Hi Ewewho, Thanks for the info. I actually ordered from Drug delivery before I saw your post saying to buy from there. But I didnt see that lupi kind on sale. I saw it as one to choose from but it didnt say it was on sale or anything. Oh well.
This will be my second round. I lost 20 pounds with the first. I've got to tell people one thing that Im just astounded by. During my six week break I've been eating anything I want, when ever I want. I've been eating a ton of junk food, and non-organic etc....Basically I havent been following anything in stage three. And I havent gained any weight back! I just cant believe that!! I'm not encouraging anyone to do this of course. And I know that if I go on like this I'm sure I'll eventually gain the weight back. But because I knew I was going to do another round anyways, and because It was just too hard for me to stay away from sugar and starches for three more weeks, I gave in and saw it as an experiment. I was curious to see what would happen if I went back to the way I was eating before the shots instead of following the three weeks/no starches part. This Hcg in my opinion does exactly what Dr. Simeons says it does. It corrects your metabolism. And it really does make your body consume your own fat for calories. How else can explain the fact that I'm eating like a pig and not gaining any weight back? Its because My body is still consuming the same amount of calories as it was when I was taking the Hcg shots. Its just that when I was taking the Hcg over half the calories my body was consuming was coming from my fat, and not food I ate. Its amazing. When a person diets by eating less food they loose weight. But as soon as they go back to eating the calories they were before they gain the weight back. Right? Well why doesnt that happen with this diet? This diet obviously corrects your metabolism, and it also shows clear the fact that my body was never living off of 500 calories of food alone. It was living off the five hundred I was eating, and was also living off the calories from my own fat. How else can you go from eating only 500 calories a day to suddenly eating over 2000 calories, with out gaining weight? Like I said though, If I continue to eat non-organic food and dont follow all the phases of this diet I will damage my hypothalmus putting me back to square one and I'll gain the weight back. After I have lost all the weight I want, I plan on following all the stages correctly, and staying with Organic only so that I can eat what ever I want/as much as I want and never gain the weight back.
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Darlene5
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 02:25 am |
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| Cheryl417, Thanks, I actually got my Hcg from GHI Medical my first round. They must have lowered their prices because it cost me 800.00!! I didnt want to spend 400 on the Hcg again, so I ended up getting my Hcg from Drug delivery this time.
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Darlene5
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 03:32 am |
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Victor Just wants attention.
I havent heard one person on this thread say you shouldnt exercise. Whats wrong with exercising AND using Hcg? Or whats so wrong with not exercising for 40 days while you take Hcg and then start exercising afterwards? You have no proof what so ever as to what harm Hcg can do to the body. So why comment at all? I had twins which caused my body to produce a staggering amount of Hcg and I'm fine. Me and all the rest of us child barring mothers. So whats a measly 200 dose of Hcg for only 40 days gonna do? If people have been using Hcg for weight loss for over 50 years dont you think we would have heard by now at least one horrible side effect? This Hcg corrects what the horrible chemically altered food has done to our brains. Something exercise cant do. Unless you want to exercise four hours a day for the rest of your life. No thank you. And if your exercising but still eating non-organic food then your not as healthy as you think.
I cant think of one bad thing about this hcg diet. Its making me eat way more protein, fruit and veggies then I ever ate before. Lets just say "would if". Would if this Hcg diet really wasnt making your body consume it's own fat for calories. This diet would still be a healthy one. Eating 500 calories of healthy fruits, vegetables and meat is a lot healthier than eating 1000 or 2000 calories of garbage. Also In recent reports they say that fasting isnt harmful like they once thought it was. People are improving their health no matter which way you look at it with this diet, so why cant you just do what makes yourself happy and realize that not everyone has to be like you. Or like the same things as you. Not everyone has the same chemical body makeup as you. People can choose their own way of losing weight. And hey if it works it works. What more proof do you need? People are keeping the weight off. How do you explain that? You think that you have all the answeres to weight loss, but people have been losing weight in hundreds of different ways. What makes you think that your way is the only way when every year doctors are coming up with new different "right ways" to lose weight. Last year it was fattening to eat this, but this year its not....its actually good for you! You should exercise this way, you shouldnt eat this, you should eat this. Next year.....Oh wait a minute sorry we were wrong, you should exercise like this and eat this, not that. Whats good one year is bad the next. But I suppose your way is the only way right? Your way I'm sure works. But its not the only way. I'm still trying to figure out why you even care as to how people lose weight.
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Cheryl417
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 10:25 am |
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Darlene5 wrote: Cheryl417, Thanks, I actually got my Hcg from GHI Medical my first round. They must have lowered their prices because it cost me 800.00!! I didnt want to spend 400 on the Hcg again, so I ended up getting my Hcg from Drug delivery this time.
Your very welcome Darlene! Wow! $800.00???? I must confess, I would have had to think twice before spending that much money. However, I must also state that NOW...AFTER...KNOWING that HCG indeed works for me, I might not frown as much as to the cost. I was always very thin up until the last 10 years. Then, 10 years ago I was in a very serious MVA, resulting with injuries that did not allow me to spend 7 days a week in a gym like I had always done. Up until finding the HCG protocol, it had been a very depressing ten years for me with regard to trying everything under the sun to get the weight off. Including walking diligently, five and three quarter miles every day for one entire year, only to take off 7 lousy pounds. I have never been one to eat a lot. I have always been one, however, who had to live my life in a gym and work off more calories than I consumed to stay very thin. Like I said, up until my accident that worked out fine...but after the accident my life and body changed. Like with many people, unforseen situations change lives. Some people (as with Victor) also don't recognize there are medical issues such as slow, to no metabolism, which make it difficult for people to lose weight, despite how few calories they may consume. Not every one in this world who is overweight got there because they were over eaters.
Finding HCG and seeing positive results after strictly following the protocol has been a BLESSING that is difficult to describe. For those thinking about trying it, you must know, that HCG is NOT a diet. Nor is it a pill or an injetion to decrease your appetite so that you can lose weight with out applying anything else. It is a hormone, that in combination with the 500 calories and other important items defined in the phases, effectively helps to reset your metabolism. You should not consider HCG without first dedicating yourself to reading and thoroughly understanding why it is important for you to follow the protocol CLEARLY DESCRIBED BY DR. SIMEON.
As for the cost, I don't know exactly where every one else has purchased their HCG. I purchased mine via GHI Medical. It was a little over $400.00. The cost included the 40 day supply of HCG, the syringes, the blood work up, the 5 page health form that is reviewed by a GHI physician and some very nice GHI supportive staff. The shipping was included in the cost as well.
Much happiness, luck and success for anyone out there who tries it! From a personal opinion, I am glad I did! There is literally "light" as in a "lightweight" at the end of my tunnel. 
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 10:45 am |
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I don't claim to speak for Victor, but I think what is so upsetting is that the claim here is that HCG is some kind of "miracle product" that works for everyone and cannot possibly hurt anyone. Yes, there are many ways to lose weight. NONE OF THEM have no side effects, not even the "right way" of proper diet and exercise. There are many consequences, both good and bad, of losing weight through any method.
Yes, HCG does have many side effects, which I listed before and won't repeat here, and yes, those side effects do apply even for the smaller doses used for weight loss. The risks are even higher for men. Even in this forum, users have listed the struggles that they have went through with HCG, which directly contradicts your notion that there are no side effects. Did you not say that you experienced extreme hunger for a time? That is a side effect.
I would like to reiterate here that there is no "magic way" to lose weight fast and keep it off that is truly safe, at least not for the general population. If there was, it would be all over the media, and obesity rates in countries across the world would drop dramatically.
I have read quite a few HCG testimonials on the net, and a great deal of them claim that the weight was gained back. Why is this? One, because HCG is a deprivation diet, which many people do not have the willpower to stick with on a long-term basis.
Two - you can sit here all day and talk about how natural is best, and I agree with you, but the HCG diet is far from natural. It is a substance naturally produced by the body that is used in an unnatural way. If it was a natural process, then our body would produce it for weight loss naturally. 
In any case, there are two main problems I have with HCG:
1.) Many people turn to it as a "quick fix", and fail long-term because they do not make the lifestyle changes required for long-term health.
2.) HCG supporters such as yourself make such sensationalist claims that the diet is absolutely perfect. As I've said before, this whole thread sounds like one big marketing gimmick - no offense.
It's great that you've found something that works for you, but it's important to show the whole picture. No diet will ever be a substitute for learning to eat right and exercising.
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Cheryl417
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 12:00 pm |
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I certainly hope your response wasn't directed at me because I did not at all say HCG was a "miracle product." If your message was in response to my post, I hope that you will re-read what I had written because you have clearly misread my post. Indeed, there are pro's and con's to any weight loss method, but as is, with any physical life changing event, you must weigh the lesser of two evils. In obesity, is the weight more harmful than the side effects of using a hormone in low doses that has indeed helped to reset the metabolism in many people? That, with the evaluation of your physician, is a choice you have to make for yourself.
Unless I have missed something somewhere, I also have not yet read where any poster have made "sensationalism claims that the diet is PERFECT". Please provide the post where you have read that so we all can see where anyone has said the diet was "perfect" for everyone. Or, for that matter was a "quick fix". I would never state to anyone that this 40 day 500 calorie intake was "quick", "easy" or let alone a "fix". I also don't personally know of anyone who has done the HCG protocol who would use such adjectives to describe it that way. Consuming 500 calories a day is a far outcry from quick, easy or a fix. So again, I would appreciate seeing where you read where someone said that.
Thank you!
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 07:59 pm |
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No, my post wasn't directed at you.
In this thread and elsewhere, though, there have been many claims that HCG has no side effects. That is specifically what I was referring to, and my point was that all weight loss plan have side effects - no exceptions.
And yes, there are many people enticed by the quick weight loss that HCG promises. Whether it is actually easy or not is irrelevant - if you go into any weight loss plan expecting a quick fix, you are opening the door to failure. Until you learn the habits required for good health, you will never achieve long-term success.
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Darlene5
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 08:46 pm |
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Oh my god its you again! I cant believe you are still knit picking away at what everyone says. Why? Its so strange. Havent you had enough on the topic? Cant you move on with your life? I never said it was a miracle drug either. I said I think its amazing how much its helped me. Whats so bad about that? Look; out of all the diets out there, and out of all the prescription drugs out there for weight loss, and out of all the surgerys out there for weight loss this one is the safest.....hands down. You mention side effects but thats not even worth mentioning because most people dont even get them! The Hcg diet has a lower chance for side effects than anythong out there! So why would you even want to challenge that? The side effects that you get from surgery, and prescription drugs are atrocious!!! And if you do get side effects from Hcg its hardly anything to complain about. Its pretty easy to manage and lasts a very short while. How can you beat that? Not only that the Hcg corrects your matabolism, and heals your hypothalmus which caused a lot of us to get fat in the first place. Its hitting the root of the problem. I went through a stage where I was hungry on the Hcg diet. But I soon learned that injecting into the Muscle worked best for me. After I started doing that I was no longer hungry. thousands of people are doing round after round of this diet. Obviously it's working for them, and there not getting horrible side effects.
I dont even know why you mention how people gain the weight back after using the Hcg diet. This is seriously hillarious! First of all how many people gain their weight back after losing it from exercising? Oh about 80% would you say? Most people dont stick to exercising. People are gaining their weight back in high numbers with just about every diet out there. So if you want to compare this diet to the other diets out there when it comes to gaining the weight back then you will lose! The percentage of people gaining their weight back after the Hcg diet is so very, very, small. Smaller than any other diet out there. So why would you complain about that? Hmmmmmmm..... No it's not a magic injection, because you still have to stay disciplined enough to stick with the phases in the protocol.
Your not suppose to stick to a deprivation diet the rest of your life when your doing the Hcg diet. It sounds to me like you dont even understand what the Hcg diet is. Your never, not once depriving yourself while your on the diet. So I dont know what the heck your talking about.
Yes there are ways to lose weight and keep it off. And this is one of them. But just like diet and exercise if you dont stick to the plan you gain the weight back. Dahhh! Some people have an easier time exercising to lose weight and some people have an easier time with this diet. Either way a person can always gain the weight back. Althought it's a lot harder to do so with the hcg diet.
Yes Hcg is natural. Just like if you were to take a vitamin C pill. Now do you think theres something wrong with taking a vitamin C Pill? Or any vitamin? I think your getting a bit too knit picky dont you think? Yeah all these thousands and thousands of people on these threads are all one big marketing gimmick. Anyone can post to this forum. Why is it that No one has come on this forum and said the Hcg didnt work for them then? It sounds to me more like your an FDA employee.
I dont even understand what the whole point of your negative post was. Because No one ever said it was a miracle drug, everyone says that you still have to work at it. You have to follow the rules through out the whole thing and keep to certain rules your whole life. How is that a miracle drug? What was your point? Just wanted to piss on our parade again?
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 11:08 pm |
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Actually, the point of my post was to come to Victor's defense, who was attacked here for no justifiable reason.
You are free to discuss whatever you wish about supplements - that's what this forum is here for. Attacking other members for stating something contrary to your point of view, however, is unacceptable, and will not be tolerated, certainly not on my watch.
So, with that being said, don't be surprised if someone comes here to say something against HCG - we have just as much of a right to post as you do. If you don't like that, then you are free to find another forum. Otherwise, please return back to the topic at hand, and let it go. This is a discussion forum, and there is no reason to make anything personal. Thank you.
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Darlene5
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Posted: 5 Nov 2008 11:35 pm |
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Your very welcome animus,
It all sounds good to me!, and I hope you apply your own advice to yourself as well.
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EweWho
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Posted: 6 Nov 2008 01:24 am |
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I have been watching for Victor to come back in to play, but it seems like he has sent someone to step in for him, or that Crimson felt compelled to do so, I don't know which.
All parts in black font are quotes from previous posts in question.
It is funny to me that things have taken a complete turnaround and Victor has become the "victim" in this whole thing.
I don't claim to speak for Victor, but I think what is so upsetting is that the claim here is that HCG is some kind of "miracle product" that works for everyone and cannot possibly hurt anyone.
Since Victor posted I didn't see anywhere that it was referred to as a miracle product, nor did I say that it couldn't possibly hurt anyone, so I'm not sure what you are referring to when you say that things are upsetting.
Neither do I know to whom you are directing your comments, Crimson. Are you just making general statements? I'm not sure.
If you look at what started this whole thing, after Victor's post I quoted part of his, When will people WAKE UP and realize that there is NO MAGIC PILL or MAGIC SHOT
This process takes effort and dedication, not quackery and elixers!, all I said was to tell it to the 70 pounds I've lost. It was in no way an attack.
His reply was to call me something of a snake-oil salesman, And an easy target for "snake-oil" salesman referring to the fact that I had less than 10 posts, Newcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place.
I never took offense, but rather continued on, trying to settle things down, but he continued personal attacks through condescending verbiage. He doesn't know me. He has no idea what my lifestyle choices are, or how I have changed them.
Unfortunately Cheryl took offense to that remark about those with less than 10 posts and things just went downhill from there.
I so understand that there more than one side to a coin. I just think it is sad when you can only see one side of that coin.
I never mind anyone showing me the other side of the coin. I just hate when they do it in a condescending manner, such as Victor did. I take into consideration his youth and his zeal, so it doesn't bother me. I am sorry that others got upset by the whole thing.
Crimson, you said:
In any case, there are two main problems I have with HCG:
1.) Many people turn to it as a "quick fix", and fail long-term because they do not make the lifestyle changes required for long-term health.
2.) HCG supporters such as yourself make such sensationalist claims that the diet is absolutely perfect. As I've said before, this whole thread sounds like one big marketing gimmick - no offense.
It's great that you've found something that works for you, but it's important to show the whole picture. No diet will ever be a substitute for learning to eat right and exercising.
I can certainly understand your concern with this, but we are trying to get the word out in a gentler manner that it is not a quick fix and that lifestyle changes are required.
I'm not sure to whom you are referring about making sensationalist claims because I haven't seen that in the posts of the past few days. I've seen Darlene write that she is struggling. That certainly isn't making sensationalist claims.
People are searching for a place to learn, and when they find this forum they are slammed. Why not just close this thread and let them keep looking elsewhere? Your references to what appears to have happened in the past, about "side effects" and "magic way" to lose weight have no bearing on what transpired in the last few days, so how are we to know what you are talking about?
I fully agree with what you say about setting yourself up for failure if you expect a quick fix and not changing your lifestyle. I've preached that message myself repeatedly, on another forum that supports hCG. So you see, even some of us who believe in hCG can see the downfall of thinking it is going to save us from ourselves. There are some of us who use it as a tool rather than a crutch, much as someone else uses journaling or support groups.
I have no problem with someone not believing that hCG works. Why do you and Victor have such a problem with those of us who do believe that it does? It has nothing at all to do with intelligence. Many on other forums are doctors, lawyers, and even here, Cheryl is a nurse. These aren't stupid people, Crimson, regardless of what you think of them (us). Time will be our teacher, one way or another. All I know is that I weigh less now than I have in more than 30 years.
No comment is necessary from you or Victor. I am just trying to flip that coin, even though I know it is futile.
Oh, and while we are talking about snake-oil salesmen, that is how I feel about anyone who is trying to make money off this protocol. The amount that the clinics (and more and more of them are popping up every day) charge is ridiculous. You could do 6 round for what they are charging people for their first round. The fact that people pay it just goes to show how desperate are.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 6 Nov 2008 01:41 am |
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I apologize if it came across as if I was attacking your intelligence - that certainly wasn't my intent, and I do not think that.
I'm not claiming that HCG does not work - I never said that. As you mentioned, there are two sides to every coin. HCG is not an exception - it is not a perfect protocol. There are dangerous potential side effects, just as there are with losing weight the standard way.
Obviously, supplements do work, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they are safe, nor does it mean that they can achieve long-term success, as you've acknowledged.
I'm not going to open up another can of worms by stating the implication of a "miracle product". My concern here is when the name-calling started, which is not necessary. We're all mature here, right?
You may now continue with your regularly scheduled program.
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EweWho
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Posted: 6 Nov 2008 03:07 am |
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Thank you, Crimson. I see that for the most part we agree. I do not think that it is a perfect protocol. I think it is a step above gastric bypass, though, and there are too many that are taking that step out of desperation.
What is funny is that on the other forums, more and more are incorporating exercise into their regime. On Phase 3, we are learning to eat healthy in order to keep the weight off.
Personally, I only do 23 days at a time of the hCG, so in the year that I have been on protocol and have lost 70 pounds, only about 3 months total of that time have been while I was on hCG. The rest of the time is spent learning to count calories, learn to like vegetables, and stay away from chemicals in foods. I've learned to read labels for ingredients. My taste buds have gotten away from sugar and I used to be such a sugar addict.
You have quite a sense of humor. I'm happy to see it shining through.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 01:46 am |
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Hello to all, I just joined this website and found interest on this subject. I too have been injecting HCG. My results were astonishing! I have not been a dieter, until my weight reached an uncomfortable stage. In 3 months I am 73lbs lighter. Although I am skeptical. The doctor charges 750.00 for round one,(2 viles) lasting 30 days a vile. There is a support group twice a week. I think they are full of it. There are great recipies i have gotten from them while on the diet. There are so many crazy things we were told to do in order to lose weight,such as: No Sugar- but splenda is ok,No Oil- but mineral oil is ok, Changed our shampoo,conditioner and body soap, wear gloves if messing with oil products, juice of a lemon a day, 1 gallon of water a day, slimming tea in a.m. and laxative tea in p.m., hand full of vitamins, no exercising-you will gain muscle weight, no sugar free gum, only certain friuts and certain veggies and lean protein(100grams) 500 to 600 cal diet and if needed 1/2 a phen in the morning. The only thing I did was drink 1/2 to gal of water a day, yes for the first 20 days i was devoted to the strict diet. I have been on matainence for 3 weeks now. This area is more strict. I was looking for symptoms tonite and came across this great website. Did i like the weight loss? yes! It was mentally challenging to get where i am at. Please to all let me know what you did to lose weight on this diet. Also I would like to know of any symptoms, from smallest to biggest ,anything! T.S.V.
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Posted: 13 Nov 2008 03:25 am |
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Victor version 4.0 wrote: When will people WAKE UP and realize that there is NO MAGIC PILL or MAGIC SHOT
This process takes effort and dedication, not quackery and elixers!
Direct from the service of the U.S. National Library of Medicine and the National Institutes of Health
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/321723?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2." TARGET="_blank">[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/321723?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2.]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/321723?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=2.
Treatment of obesity with human chorionic gonadotrophin was shown to be of no better value than saline in a double-blind crossover study of weight reduction in obese subjects. There was also no significant difference in mood, hunger, or missed injections, and no apparent difference in adherence to diet when the two agents were compared. In contrast, a significant difference was found in the ability of subjects to lose weight in the first four weeks of the study in contrast with the second four weeks, no matter which agent was used. Thus, the initiation of a new therapeutic program, even using an inert agent, has a temporary benefit--a manifestation both of placebo effect and the Hawthorne effect.
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Two hundred two patients participated in a double-blind random cross-over study of the effectiveness of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) vs placebo in a wieght reduction program. Serial measurements were made of weight, skin-fold thickness, dropout rates, reasons for dropping out, and patient subjective response. There was no statistically significant difference between those receiving HCG vs placebo during any phase of this study (P greater than .1).
[url=http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3609673?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=5&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3609673?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=5&log$=relatedarticles&logdbfrom=pubmed[/url]
The British physician A.T.W. Simeons described in 1954 a new method for dieting. He combined a reduction diet (500 kcal per day) with daily injections of the pregnancy hormone human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) (125 IU i.m.). According to Simeons the patient should not lose more weight during a 4-to-6 weeks' diet than without hCG, but the injections should facilitate to maintain the diet and to lose body weight at specific parts of the body (e.g. hip, belly, thigh). After the first publication various studies conducted with male and female patients analysed the efficacy of the "Cura romana". 10 of these studies showed positive and another 10 studies negative results with regard to hCG-related weight reduction. Two of these studies with positive results were double-blind studies (hCG vs. placebo). Most of them were reports on therapeutical experiences and were not controlled studies. According to these reports the body proportions normalized and the feeling of hunger was tolerable. Four out of 10 studies with negative results were controlled studies (hCG vs. control without hCG), whereas 6 were double-blind studies. These studies showed a significant weight reduction during dieting, but no differences between treatment groups in respect of body weight, body proportions and feeling of hunger. One of them is the only German study conducted by Rabe et al. in 1981 in which 82 randomised premenopausal volunteers had been dieting either with hCG or without hCG injections. In recent publications describing mostly well-documented double-blind studies authors largely reject hCG administration in dieting. Supporters of the hCG diet must prove the efficacy of this method in controlled studies according to the German Drug Law. Until then the opinion of the German steroid toxicology panel is still valid, that hCG is ineffective in dieting and should not be used (Bolt 1982 a, 1982 b).
That's the 1977 double blind study. I have read not only that, but the full doctors report. Have you ever read the doctors findings for those studies on JAMA? I didn't think so because the facts were very misconstrued. First off the double blind study that you are referring to was cut short after only 9 days because the people who were not on HCG were starving to death!
Secondly the part where they stated there was "no significant weight loss difference" is not acurate for several reasons. The people on HCG lost on average 3lbs more than the people who were not on HCG, and that was only after 9 days. Also the tape measurements showed that the abnormal fat areas reduced far more than those who were not on HCG.
Finally, we have to look at the 3 doctors who ran the study. They all owned weight loss clinics. On of the doctors was later quaoted stating they would go bankrupt if the truth about HCG ever got out into the public. It's all about the money to the food, drug, and diet industries.
What you need to do is go to hcgfatloss because they have all the facts from JAMA posted over there on their site. As well as links to the cheapest HCG and HCG supplies on the internet. The HCG Weight Loss Protocol was developed by Dr ATW Simeons back in the 1950s and has helped thousands of people lose weight without gaining it back. Last edited on 13 Nov 2008 04:38 am by
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Woo! Woo! Lost another pound today! Total of 16 pounds in 30 days!
Aside from daily activity...haven't even exercised. Weight just continues to drop off.
This is phenomenal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Wooowhooooo!!! King Corn!! Good job!
Cheryl I am so happy for you! I cant wait to start this diet again. Im just waiting for the Hcg to arrive.
Like I said before, All the proof i need is the fact that during my disscontinued use of Hcg Im keeping the weight off and eating anything I want when ever Im hungry. Im still just so shocked about that. Its so nice to know that its going to be extremely hard to ever gain the weight back.
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Thank you Darlene! I am so happy! It is an amazing protocol!! My friends who have done the HCG ALL have said they have kept the weight off while eating all that they want also. Of course, none of them have returned to eating any kind of junk food. They eat healthy and wisely. They all eat dessert, but do it in moderation. This protocol helps to not only restructure your physical being, it helps to restructure your eating habits. I hope the next 6 weeks proves the same for me as well.
In the past, I have tried to lose the weight and it never happened. Even with exercise. Aside from bowling once a week now and some regular activity while being on HCG, I have lost the weight. My husband looks and me and calls me the incredible shrinking woman! Ha ha ha
It is more than what I would describe as a MIRACLE protocol....it is like a wave of God's wand all in itself!
I am so delighted to hear that HCG has worked for you as well. I will have to wait 6 weeks before another round, but I will INDEED do another round of HCG to shed the remaining pounds I wish to lose.
I cannot even describe how HAPPY I am for you, myself and for others who have declared how well it has worked for them. I am AMAZED that for once in 10 years, I have found a way to lose weight. This has also had a dramatic effect on my insulin as well...I have gone down to 15 units and I hope to eventually get off completely.
My best friends Pastor was a diabetic. He took HCG and not only lost 70 pounds in three rounds of HCG...he is now off ALL insulin and blood pressure meds.
Darlene, I wish you all the best in your next round. Soon ....we will be a part of the skinny and healthy people in this world. YEAH for us!
Much happiness and success to you! PLEASE Keep me posted!
Cheryl :O)
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Darlene5 wrote: Wooowhooooo!!! King Corn!! Good job!
Cheryl I am so happy for you! I cant wait to start this diet again. Im just waiting for the Hcg to arrive.
Like I said before, All the proof i need is the fact that during my disscontinued use of Hcg Im keeping the weight off and eating anything I want when ever Im hungry. Im still just so shocked about that. Its so nice to know that its going to be extremely hard to ever gain the weight back.
Darlene5
Ohhhhhh, before I forget Darlene, I wanted to also add... to be sure to purchase Yerba Mate Tea. I like the Royale brand better than others. It really helps to diminish your appetite if you get hungry when you first begin the 500 calories. And, even though this is not in the protocol..in order to drink all the water, I used those crystal light packets that are sugar free to flavor the water. That helped me to get in all of the water and to fill my stomach.
I just wanted to add that in case you get hungry when you begin. :-) Keep me posted now...and good luck to you. :-)
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I tried Yerba Mate tea with my first round on and off. Sometimes I could handle it but other times i didnt like how it made me feel. We'll see. I never had a problem with drinking the water. I put lemon in it and loved it. For some reason its easy to drink water when on the diet. And those artificial sweeteners I believe arent real good for my health so I stay away from anything sugar free. So your about to take your six week break then??
Ok I'll keep you posted. : )
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| Yes Darlene! Next Thursday I will be done with the HCG. I will then have to follow the three weeks of no starch or sugars. My friend and I will wait until after the holidays and we will begin again the 1st of January. I read on another blog where some people say they get really hungry after being off the HCG. Have you found that to be so?
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No, Im not any hungrier than I was before I started the diet. The reason why the Hcg makes you feel less hungry is because your body is already eating. Its feeding itself with your fat. So naturally your going to feel hungry once you stop taking the Hcg because your bodys is no longer eating off your fat. You will need to use food to take care of hunger feelings.
After the Hcg, I never did the three weeks with no carbs. Ive been eating ice cream, and what ever else I feel like. I never eat any fast food though. But its crazy how I havent gained any weight back. With this next round I intend on doing it right though (the three weeks/No carbs part) because I really want to kick the sugar habit/cravings. And I know it will probably help me keep the weight off in the long run. Dont worry about being hungry and gaining your weight back, Its actually kinda hard to do, I really believe the Hcg corrected my metabolism.
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Darlene5 wrote: Wooowhooooo!!! King Corn!! Good job!
Cheryl I am so happy for you! I cant wait to start this diet again. Im just waiting for the Hcg to arrive.
Like I said before, All the proof i need is the fact that during my disscontinued use of Hcg Im keeping the weight off and eating anything I want when ever Im hungry. Im still just so shocked about that. Its so nice to know that its going to be extremely hard to ever gain the weight back.
Darlene5
Thank you. I love to spread the truth. It is too bad that there are soooo many "crabs in the bucket" around here. People that jealous of other peoples' success, so they want to drag them down into their misery.
I lost over 60lbs in 3 months now with the HCG Protocol. I want to lose as much as this Steve guy I met online. He has youtube videos, as well as before and after pictures that show he has lost over 100lbs in 6 months with HCG. I think he posted that he is now down 108.5lbs today if I remember correctly. That's remarkable for a guy who never goes to the gym.
I spent over 17 years trying to lose this weight I gained. It pushed me to the point of suicide from all the diets and exercise programs (or should I say SCAMS). Now I am losing weight and I am the happiest I have ever been thanks to the HCG Protocol.
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Cheryl417 wrote: Victor version 4.0 wrote: Newcomers with fewer than 10 posts, "schilling" for a particular way for you to spend your hard earned money, that does NOTHING to help you change the lyfestyle choices you've been makeing that got you where you are in the first place.
Are you saying that because I have fewer than 10 post, you are too pompous to respond? You are obviously not a healthcare clinician so you should do your research before you respond with such negativity to all of those that HCG had worked for. Be it with more than 10 post or not..Mr. Oldie poster! I am in fact an RN, and a former paramedic. I have been in healthcare for 30 years. I have done my research and HCG does in fact work on resetting metabolism. If you understood how to read medical literature, which you obvioisly don't, you would know how it works and why. I will not waste anymore of my professional time responding to an OLDIE poster who obviously needs an attitude adjustment to go along with his loss of weight. You know people wouldn't become "Oldie posters" if they knew about the HCG Protocol. They would lose the weight quicker and get out of the forum and back to their regular lives vs sitting around trying to drag others down. LOL
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Good Job King Corn! I love to hear the success stories of others. Every time I read them, it helps with even more of an incentive. As for people trying to pull others down when they are just trying to educate others as to their own positive experiences; I have found you will find people like that in all walks of life. It is sad....but best to ignore negative remarks. I try to stick to people who are positive in my life. Spending time with positive people has always helped me to succeed in all aspects of my life. I am happy to meet Darlene and now you here. Positive feedback is wonderful and I thank you and Darlene.
Thanks Darlene....for the info about not gaining the weight back. I was a bad girl yesterday. I went out with some friends who were visiting from Canada and I ate a little pasta and dessert. That was the first time I had messed up since November 14th when I began the 500 calories. Oh well! I am too afraid to step on the scale today. Ha ha ha
Guess I will wait a few days so that I don't get discouraged if the scale changed. I now have 7 more days to go before I will have reached the end of my 40 days of HCG injections.
Any way..thanks to the both of you for your information. I love hearing about what you both have done, and not done, throughout the course of your weight loss. It REALLY helps!
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Thank you Cheryl, I just try to help others when I can because I know what it is like to truly suffer from obesity. I know some of those people think they are trying to "protect" others, but all they are doing is hindering the truth from spreading. I know it is not their fault, they do not know any better. The problem is that they are far too stubborn to even try to learn about anything else. They don't know what it is, so they lash out in anger because it is not "their way".
Don't beat yourself up too much about the slip up. It happens, we are human after all and not perfect. You will lose whatever you may have gained in no time with HCG.
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Thats GREAT! We hear enough bad things in this world, its so nice to hear some good. This makes up for the bad I heard on the news today! Im talking about you (King corn) your turn around from suicidal to happier than youve ever been. Thats wonderful! And I'm so happy for you. : )
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Thanks Cheryl, and I'm glad I helped you in some way.
Dont worry about your cheat day. besides you can always make up for it with an apple day if you want. : ) Are you still feeling the decrease in hunger?
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If you are having hunger issues, then I have to ask. Did you do all the recommended cleanses? I find that most people that have hunger did not do them, or did not do them long enough. Most of the cleanses take about 6-12 months to be fully effective, but KT's book only says to do them for 30 days minimum.
Thanks Darlene, I feel better than ever! I struggled for so many years trying to work out, diet, etc. I am just happy to finally have something that works. The weight is just falling off like crazy with the protocol.
How has it been going for you?
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Hi everyone,
I am thinking of starting HCG on 12/1 but I have some questions...first, what happens if you "cheat" for a couple of days? IE: Christmas will be right in the middle of my 40 day program.
And second, i keep reading that people lose just under 1 pound per day, is this true? I do not want to have unrealistic expectations.
Thanks!
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Yes, this is very true. I have been losing about 1lb per day on the HCG Protocol. If you cheat, then you will gain weight back and stall your weight loss for several more days (about 3-5 on average). At least that's what all the others have experienced that I have seen. If you want more information you can check out the website on my profile, or send me a private message. I would be more than happy to help you out.
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Worked for me too - lost 95 pounds in 4 months. Saved my life. We are in Washington state.
http://www.stananddonna.com
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| Thanks! That was very helpfu! I cannot believe Donna's pictures....I am so motivated; I cannot wait to get started.
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HI again,
I also just wanted to let everyone know that I spoke to my family doctor about starting this plan and she was in favor of it and in fact said that she could find no reason for me not to use the HCG diet.
I just wanted to through that out there b/c I see there has been a lot of discussion about the safety of the diet. Now I am sure different people may have different health issues that may be of concern on this diet but in general I think it is worthwhile to know that an MD with NOTHING to gain from supporting my decision to try HCG feels there is no danger.
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Posted: 18 Nov 2008 08:35 pm |
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Stan, great pictures, but you better watch out. The HCG Gestapo might come after you for posting links, LOL. I am glad it saved your life Stan, it saved mine as well.
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I Lost 100lbs guess how???? The old fashioned way DIET AN EXERCISE
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Hellrazor, that's great that you lost weight with diet and exercise. I tried it for 17 years, but it didn't work for me. The HCG Protocol is working for me, and it is working for thousands of people.
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Yeah and by your own statement of eating 1200 calories at one point we know you were not doing things right way hence why you would gain weight. Don't you think after 17 years of trying that maybe just maybe you would have thought " Hey maybe I'm doing something wrong? or is there something wrong with me ?" personally I think I would have. Yet it is all the fault of the food made in America and gyms for taking advantaged of obese people
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Hey King - Just a hint of hostility there with Exercise Guy. I've heard it so many times, my kid is a personal trainer. We went on hCG and didn't tell him what we were doing. As far as he knew, we were on a low carb, low fat diet. He's good with it now, since he watched our weight plummet. Are we lucky, yeah 'Lucky like a Fox!'
Fact is, if you want to lose weight by exercising and 'eating right', it takes a loooooong loooooong time. If you need it to happen fast, or for some health reason, you want to get it done as fast as possible. So let THEM do the cardio until their money or credit runs out.
Seems if you don't do it THEIR way, it's wrong. I'd tell them to get over themselves, but I'm a nice guy. Both my Docs are totally impressed. Cardiologist & GP.
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Yeah my doc's are impressed considering I did it with my knee (look at my avatar).I do find it aggravating when someone else blames it on everything but themselves. Mr Stanco I joined my gym Oct 07 at 242 and by July 08 I was 165. So no it doesn't take long time if you do it right with D&E. Last time I remember taking walks didnt cost a thing . I have easily got my moneys worth out of my gym and then some. I feel better to know I did it myself with the aide of anything . All I can say is good luck in the long haul of it cause you guys will need it
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Fact is, if you want to lose weight by exercising and 'eating right', it takes a loooooong loooooong time. If you need it to happen fast, or for some health reason, you want to get it done as fast as possible.
That just about sums it up...
Still, it doesn't HAVE to take a long time. I've lost over 150 pounds in less than a year, with no supplements except a week or two of Green Tea Hoodia, which was a big mistake. 
I did it by eating 1200-1800 calories 6 days a week for most of this period, along with one day at 2500-3000. I did an average of 9 hours of cardio over 6 days a week. I counted EVERYTHING. At least half of my diet was raw fruits and veggies, and the rest of it was food as minimally processed as possible, buying organic whenever possible.
One month, I lost about 30 pounds (June). And all this from a guy with a seriously screwed up metabolism. I effectively reset it without injecting HCG.
And no offense to King Corn...but you could have done more. 4 days a week of cardio is good, but there is always time for more. People make time for what is important. It all comes down to preserverance, and being willing to acknowledge that "Hey, what I'm doing isn't working - I need to change it," rather than "Hey, what I'm doing isn't working - I'm just going to give up and take the quick way."
The HCG Gestapo might come after you for posting links, LOL.
Actually, no. He managed to post a link that doesn't sell anything - you should try doing that sometime.
By the way, Stan, congrats on your progress, too!
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Posted: 19 Nov 2008 06:47 pm |
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I've been reading this banter that is going on. It is so childish. Each person is different and will chose to do what they feel is best for them regardless of what others say, so you aren't going to change their minds. Nothing can be accomplished this way.
If you want to give information maybe there is another way. Like:
This is what I've done....... and it has worked very well for me. I did it this way because I was concerned about about this...............of other products. Share your concerns, don't attack. And you may say you weren't attacking, but the way you worded your message was. People don't like to be told they are wrong or stupid and that's the way it came across.
This site is for sharing and asking questions not battles or debates. If you don't believe what a site is promoting why are you here if not to share your success? Be kind and thoughtful.
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I came on this forum being kind, friendly and helpful. Instead I got attacked for it. No apology has come my way, only hatred. I have shared that I have lost over 60lbs before (now 70.5lbs today), and that I did it with the HCG Protocol. It's been just over 3 months now since I started the HCG Protocol.
Stan, you and I know exactly why they get so upset. I also get the reaction from telling people that I am vegan. Meat eaters get angry when you point out the fact that the human body lacks the digestive enzymes to properly digest meat. Not to mention the fact that the human intestinal tract is way too long for meat. Carnivores have 10 times the digestive enzyme strength as humans do. Carnivores also have intestinal tracts less than 3 times their own body height (or length for 4 legged animals), but people have intestinal tracts that are over 12 times their body height. With an intestinal tract that long meats gets stuck in there too long and it actually rots in the intestine. It creates a safe haven for bacteria and disease to grow and later spread through out the body.
There is a lot of new information (well rediscovered information) out there about raw organic vegan foods. People are learning that you can cure all kinds of diseases simply by switching to this lifestyle. I am eating more and more raw vegan food all the time and is awesome!!!
Anyone ever hear of sun gazing? There is actually a man how goes by the name of HRM that has lived on basically nothing but sunlight and water for over 10 years now. He occasionally has some other beverage for hospitality reasons. He has several documented "fasts" of nothing but sunlight and water for 200 to over 400 days straight. The calorie counters would go insane if they knew about that. I have done a bit of sun gazing lately myself, and it really takes away your hunger. It has to be done properly or it can lead to problems, but it is actually as simple as watching tv. You just need to be aware of the time periods that you will be safe to do it.
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Yeah we are jealous blah blah blah cause we chose the proper way and you guys take the easy way out.So you think we hate you cause we had to work hard for our weight loss I have no hatred for you or anyone else using this but you throw blame on everything except yourself for the 17 yrs of not being able to loose weight , and that is aggravating . See for me it didn't start out as a weight loss journey it was strengthen my knee after 2 surgery's in 3 months and they weren't from being over weight. I had defect that sat dormant in my knee for 35 yrs and finally reared it's head. Once I started working out I started to see a huge improvement that was after 2 months. That is when my I found the book that lit my fire and it is SLY STALLONE'S book sly moves. From middle of Jan 08 to July 08 I was at the gym 6 days week improving each day. Now you can't keep me away from the gym why cause I love it. I ride up 80 miles a week why ?? cause I love it . So no I'm not jealous of any of you for taking the quick way but you have made the choice to wanna change so congrats on that
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I'm not jealous at all, either. Actually, even though I have lost the weight pretty quickly, I have had to seriously earn it, which makes me appreciate it all the more. I like to take the time to work for my accomplishments - to each their own.
Also, congrats x2 for making the choice to want to change.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2008 10:27 am |
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Good points being made by all. 
Let's just... 'get along' (deep breathing, sigh) 
Hope everyone has a great holiday season. Wifey and me will be having Thanksgiving with our eldest son and his wife, and will be sampling everything (twice). Looking forward to gaining a couple of pounds. (since we now know how to lose it easily) Is that wrong? Please don't judge us harshly - oh what the heck - go ahead and judge, we can take it.
We have noticed however, there are many people who have been watching and applauding our progress, and others that seem to be offended by it? Go figure. Human nature I guess ???
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