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Alothos
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Posted: 18 Jul 2010 12:03 am |
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I'm 18 years old and weigh 280 (about 5'10 or 5'11). I was referred to 2 different things by different people on weight loss. One was "ECA" (Ephedrine, Caffiene, Asprin twice a day) with sit ups. The other was Pantothenic acid and niacinamide. The funny thing about the last one is that I was told I can basically sit on my #%@&! and lose weight, which works out well because I work off the computer all day. This leaves me with a few questions
How much pantothenic acid/niacinamide how many times a day?
Is it safe to do both of these at the same time?
If not which should I do with little free time?
I'm coming here for any help I can get because I don't have health insurance and really don't wanna pay for my doctor to answer these 3 questions if I don't have to >.<
Many thanks in advance for at least reading this :]
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Nir
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Posted: 18 Jul 2010 05:21 am |
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In my opinion, the place for 'fat burners' (if indeed there is a place for them at all) is that 1% advantage to get you the competition edge once your diet and exercise are dialled in. With your figures you are not a bodybuilder or figure competitor so we can easily side-step that and get down to reality.
You sit by a computer all day? That's fantastic as we have a computer-based tutorial over at http://www.thelegacywebsite.com/tutorial.php which is a great place to start. If you were injured I'd tell you to just focus on food choices but spending time on a computer doesn't actually count as an injury so you might want to be more active, too.
Take care of the energy balance equation before you worry about fat burners that make minor differences that will make no difference to you in your current situation, they are just a distraction that you'll spend a few weeks on whilst making no actual progress towards your goal of progressing towards a healthy weight
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Aimless
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Posted: 27 Jul 2010 10:38 am |
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Nir makes good points, as always.
I see no reason why using both of those at the same time would cause a problem. Pantothenic Acid is vitamin B5, Niacinamide is vitamin B3. The B-vitamins are well known for their role in metabolism and energy levels.
I'd be more concerned about the combination of ephedrine and caffeine, to be honest. Without going into too much detail, Ephedrine is related to amphetamines. Caffeine compounds the unpleasant side effects. I'd be wary of it, particularly without any medical supervision - an asymptomatic and undetected heart problem can make this kind of supplementation lethal.
Move a little more, make better food choices. Small changes build up to make a big difference, your body will thank you in the long run.
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SheFit
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Posted: 28 Jul 2010 01:41 am |
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OMG! Please please please do not take all at the same time. These supplements can cause major heart damage because it focuses so much on the heart by speeding it up. I would really recommend reconsidering these products. I am a huge advocate on all natural weight loss/fat burning supplements. I would encourage you to check out some more organic ones that have NO side effects that will damage your body. Here is a link to one's that I have fully researched and my friend actually lost 30 lbs in 1 month through the Appetite Plus product.
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Aimless
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Posted: 28 Jul 2010 06:07 am |
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As I've posted before, it is not logical to assume that natural = safe. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that.
Anything that increases metabolism makes your heart work harder, but using sensible doses and without underlying medical conditions you're unlikely to do yourself any harm. But an obese body is far from completely healthy.
I speak from personal experience. I take methylphenidate [Ritalin/Concerta] - I stress that I take these for a sleep disorder that is much like narcolepsy, not for weight loss. Methylphenidate is similar to amphetamine, like ephedrine is, and has similar safety implications. Before my specialist would prescribe me the methylphenidate, I had to have my heart monitored to ensure I had no unidentified issues there. Not to mention the two years I had to wait for him to even offer me it when my other medication wasn't quite cutting-the-mustard by itself.
Follow Nir's advice and you can't go wrong. I find small doses of caffeine to be an effective appetite suppressant without much in the way of side effects.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 03:34 am |
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These supplements may cause major heart damage because it focuses a lot on the heart by speeding it up. I would recommend reconsidering these products. I am a immense advocate on all natural weight loss/fat burning supplements
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Aimless
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 07:20 am |
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Again, natural does not equal safe.
Increasing your heart rate, in a completely healthy heart, isn't necessarily damaging it. It's working harder, yes. But when you workout, what do you think happens?
I'm not saying these 'unnatural' products are safe. But if your heart and circulatory system is healthy [as demonstrated through tests and medical supervision] the chances of dangerous effects are incredibly low. There's still a risk, but there's a risk with everything. "Natural" remedies don't tend to have as thorough research or stringent regulations applied to them as the synthetic medicines produced by large pharmaceutical companies.
The big example of dangerous natural remedies is Ephedra, a plant used in Chinese medicine. Ephedra's active constituent being ephedrine.
Everything has risk.
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suenos
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Posted: 29 Jul 2010 12:55 pm |
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Aimless wrote: Again, natural does not equal safe.
Everything has risk.
That's so important I just wanted to repeat it again1
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Vera Sanchez
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Posted: 26 Aug 2010 10:05 am |
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I agree with the use of natural way of dieting. Supplements may generates faster effect but it sometimes cause hard reactions and unhealthy effects. The best way practically is to do proper exercises and maintaining a healthy food intake. But as you are into really taking dietary supplement, you just need to seek professional help first so as to eliminate dangerous reactions.
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