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sweet kisses
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Posted: 10 Dec 2008 07:32 pm |
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Ummm...I've done research on the history of anorexia for a health class project, and they are neither BS, a myth, a money maker, nor a "Western thing". Long-term extreme lack of appetite has been documented to have existed as long ago as the Ancient greeks and early stages of the Roman empire. Anorexia as we know it wasn't "diagnosed" until the late 1800's when a doctor finally realised the patients he was treating for "lack of appetite" were actually lying and did have a temendous appetite, but were refusing to eat anyway.
As for bulimia and COD, I don't know how long they've been around because that wasn't what I was focusing on, but I'm sure they've been around for just as long. These are serious diseases of the mind. I know because my mom works in mental health and has worked with people with ED's. Saying Ed's are a myth used to make money is like saying bipolar disorder is just an excuse for people who like to have mood swings.
And for the record, my aunt is struggling with anorexia right now and you saying that she's just full of BS is downright hurtful. Its not as simple as "just eat something." People need to realise that.
And if I sound spiteful in this post, I don't mean to. I just get really angry when people try to say that Eating disorders don't exist or that people who say they have them are full of s***. (ok so SOME people who SAY they have them are full of s***, but that's beside the point.)
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The Converter
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Posted: 11 Dec 2008 01:44 am |
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You may want to tell the CDC that. The fact is there are 200,000 people with anorexia nervosa in the US. Real anorexia nervosa is classified as a rare disease. You don't get it looking at thinspo pictures. It is something you are born with. It is tragic and it in in no way self induced. 200 people die each year in the US fro A.N. Over 400,000 die each year from obesity. To put it in perspective 58,000 Americans died in Vietnam.
There are some people with ED but that number is very very low. You may have an ED but the odds are against it. They do the same thing with ADD and ADHD. 12% of school age boys are on a psycho stimulant for ADD. The very idea that 12% of boys have ADD is absurd.
When you puke you decide to puke. The more you do it the easier it gets. The APA may call the an ED but the APA has always been full of #%@&! anf their diagnostic criteria is self serving at best.
Shrinks do another nasty thing to young people. It is called Diagnostogenesis. The treat you as though you have a certain mental illness and eventual you will mimic the symptoms. It's an old trick the use to keep people coming back.
If you indeed have a real ED this is the last place you should be. You can PM and I can straighten you out in 3 or 4 emails. But for now know that puking and bingeing is irrational and you have the power to stop both simply by not doing it unless you have OCD and it ismanifesting itself as an ED. BTW, OCD is also very rare. DOn't let them fool you.
Chances are you are not the pathetic sicko the shrinks want you to believe you are. You may not be the picture of mental health but who is? If you feel like bingeing (Bingeing is normal behavior) simply binge on low calorie food like friuts and veggies. Problem solved. Anyone who tells you it is more complicated than that is not being honest or they are ignorant.
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sweet kisses
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Posted: 11 Dec 2008 02:59 am |
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I never said I had an ED. If you're referring to the post where I confessed that I'd purged a couple times, I didn't say I had an ED, I simply said I'd purged compulsively and didn't want it to continue in case if did develope into one. And if that did happen, it wouldn't have been self induced at all, I didn't purge on purpose or because I wanted to. (I've actually spent some time thinking about it, and I'm attributing the purging episode to some pretty extreme stress do to being behind in some classes at the end of the semester, finals, chair tests in band and a concert band performance all in a very short period of time) I know that binging and purging is irrational and I know I have the power to stop both because I know I don't have a mental illness (such as an ED) that would prevent that.
And besides, weren't you the one that started this topic saying that EDs were a myth and all of them a quack diagnosis? Why are you all of a sudden talking about how tragic it is and such? Please, make sure your mind is made up before you start a topic like this one.
And I find it laughable that IF I did have an ED, that you could "cure" my ED in 3 or 4 emails. They're a deeply ingrained illness and a couple of emails are just NOT going to do it. I'm not a fool in the matters of mental health. Like I said, my mom works in the field and we talk extensively about it (not about her clients of course, but about behavior and mental illness, etc..) and I study her old college psych texts in my spare time.
And FYI I've never in my life seen a shrink or anyone about any mental problems I might have. I pride myself in my sanity thank you very much. I would appreciate it if you wouldn't assume things like that about people. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if people whom you'd never met just assumed things like that about you.
Once again, if I seem bitter in this post, some of the things you are saying and the way you say them just kind of p*** me off. On top of that I'm also really of tired right now (its pretty late in my time zone) so I'm prolly more edgy than than I normally am. So please pardon any "angry" vibe you get from this. I promise I don't mean it to come off like it prolly does.
Last edited on 11 Dec 2008 03:07 am by sweet kisses
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The Converter
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Posted: 11 Dec 2008 04:05 am |
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The notion that problems are deeply ingrained is s scam that the psychoanalysts have been using for decade. The fact is psychoanalysis doesn't work.
ED when they occur are either behavioral, neurological or both. The cure is not some mumbo jumbo psycho babble #%@&!.
You say that you have a compulsion. That is treatable with therapy and sometimes medication.
Not all EDs are a myth 99% of them are. AN is real. Stop twisting and debating. You felt compelled to puke and binge and you felt compelled to discuss it.
You are puking and you pride yourself in being sane?  That's nuts! Most people are neurotic and you are neurotic. You puked because you pigged out and don't want to be fat. You pigged out on fattening foods because you lack self control. You lack self control because you are undisciplined and perhaps a bit spoiled. I bet you are White. Here are a few more assumptions. You are middle class. Your mother is fat. I bet you have reffered to lean women as skinny bitches. Be honest.
Here is another reality. YOU CANNOT GIVE YOURSELF AN ED. I know the fat girls who hate the anas wish they could get an ED but they can't so they pretend they do. They think it is chic.
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sweet kisses
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Posted: 11 Dec 2008 04:52 am |
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Please explain to me how I am twisting and debating? I honestly have no idea what you mean when you say I am doing so.
2 times. I purged 2 times. Assuming that I'm neurotic for purging 2 times out of stress and a disgusting feeling of over-satiety is jumping way too quickly to conclusions. The way you seem to define neuroticism, every single person in the whole entire world is neurotic including you, I'll bet. And I "felt compelled to discuss it" because I didn't want it to keep it a secret where it could rot and fester. This is supposed to be a site where people can talk about hard moments in their life without judgement and you have completely broken that concept. Judgements like that are not accepted here.
As to whether I have no self-control, I don't have perfect self control, but I have enough to keep me from getting obese or even very overweight and I have more than enough to function normally. Just as I'm sure you don't have absolutely perfect self-control but have enough. I'll guarantee you you have moments where you just lose it. That doesn't mean you have no self control at all.
I am not spoiled. My dad's military-style parenting and my sister's massive medical bills prevent that, I promise you that. You bet I'm middle class? Well according to how much my parents make, that's probably true. But that money certainly doesn't go to helping us live middle class. It all goes to medical bills and just trying to pay the utilities. Yeah, I'm white? Please, oh wise one, explain what skin color has to do with anything? What do I have to act like to make you assume I'm black? Or mexican? Or native-american? or Asian? I'd really like to know. I'd appreciate it if you'd leave the weight of my mother out of this, too, it has nothing to do with anything. In fact, I think it says something about yourself that you'd even bring it up. And I have never ever referred to a slender woman as a "skinny bitch." Why would I insult the people I love (who are slender) like that? I look past appearances when I make opinions aobut people. Perhaps you should, too.
One last point, I never said I was going to GIVE MYSELF an ED. EVER. I know that you can't. They are something that DEVEOLPE BEYOND YOUR CONTROL. And I sure as h*** don't want one, I'll tell you that much. I'd rather have an extra lb or two than hate myself and drive myeslf to such destructive behaviors like those with an ED. And anyone who thinks having an ED is "chic" needs to be locked up for idiocy.
Converter, everytime you write something I learn more and more about you and you do not seem to be a very nice person at all. I don't know or even care what you look like, but you're a very ugly person on the inside. Maybe you need to spend a little less time talking about how the world around you is awful and needs to be fixed and spend a little more time examining and working on fixing your own flaws.
Oh h*** I'm not even going to bother apologizing for what I recognise as bad social grace. If you're going to insult me the way you have and in general behave the way you have, I'm not not going to extend you the curtesy of politeness that you certainly don't seem to deem necissary.
Last edited on 11 Dec 2008 04:54 am by sweet kisses
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The Converter
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Posted: 11 Dec 2008 11:38 pm |
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You said you had a compulsion to purge. It is was not a problem and a concern why mention it and why are you posting in an ED forum? You are neurotic for many reasons. You can't control your eating. That makes you neurotic.
If you think you have to come here and do the father confessor thing about puking that means you have issues. You either do or you don't. I think you are seeking attention. That's fine but crying wolf is not the best way to get it.
It is obvious that you lack self control. Most people these days do. That is why they get fat and stay fat and blame everything but themselves for it.
I am not judging anyone I am discussing the behaviors attitudes and traits of a group commonly referred to as fat people.
You are a military family and you are saying they are not paying your sister's medical bills. My cousin works in a military hospital so try another story. I know better.
It is you spoiled little White girls that play the eating disorder #%@&!. Young Black women are way past that game playing. Asian women are demure polite and disciplined that is why you rarely see any fat ones.
And when your BS no longer works you get personal. Again, it all boils down to won't. You and other fat people won't eat the correct amount. It is really that simple.You have no control over your hedonism. If you did you would not be fat. I am sorry if that offends you but it's the truth and I think you know it. Now admit it and then maybe you can change it.
sweet kisses wrote: Please explain to me how I am twisting and debating? I honestly have no idea what you mean when you say I am doing so.
2 times. I purged 2 times. Assuming that I'm neurotic for purging 2 times out of stress and a disgusting feeling of over-satiety is jumping way too quickly to conclusions. The way you seem to define neuroticism, every single person in the whole entire world is neurotic including you, I'll bet. And I "felt compelled to discuss it" because I didn't want it to keep it a secret where it could rot and fester. This is supposed to be a site where people can talk about hard moments in their life without judgement and you have completely broken that concept. Judgements like that are not accepted here.
As to whether I have no self-control, I don't have perfect self control, but I have enough to keep me from getting obese or even very overweight and I have more than enough to function normally. Just as I'm sure you don't have absolutely perfect self-control but have enough. I'll guarantee you you have moments where you just lose it. That doesn't mean you have no self control at all.
I am not spoiled. My dad's military-style parenting and my sister's massive medical bills prevent that, I promise you that. You bet I'm middle class? Well according to how much my parents make, that's probably true. But that money certainly doesn't go to helping us live middle class. It all goes to medical bills and just trying to pay the utilities. Yeah, I'm white? Please, oh wise one, explain what skin color has to do with anything? What do I have to act like to make you assume I'm black? Or mexican? Or native-american? or Asian? I'd really like to know. I'd appreciate it if you'd leave the weight of my mother out of this, too, it has nothing to do with anything. In fact, I think it says something about yourself that you'd even bring it up. And I have never ever referred to a slender woman as a "skinny bitch." Why would I insult the people I love (who are slender) like that? I look past appearances when I make opinions aobut people. Perhaps you should, too.
One last point, I never said I was going to GIVE MYSELF an ED. EVER. I know that you can't. They are something that DEVEOLPE BEYOND YOUR CONTROL. And I sure as h*** don't want one, I'll tell you that much. I'd rather have an extra lb or two than hate myself and drive myeslf to such destructive behaviors like those with an ED. And anyone who thinks having an ED is "chic" needs to be locked up for idiocy.
Converter, everytime you write something I learn more and more about you and you do not seem to be a very nice person at all. I don't know or even care what you look like, but you're a very ugly person on the inside. Maybe you need to spend a little less time talking about how the world around you is awful and needs to be fixed and spend a little more time examining and working on fixing your own flaws.
Oh h*** I'm not even going to bother apologizing for what I recognise as bad social grace. If you're going to insult me the way you have and in general behave the way you have, I'm not not going to extend you the curtesy of politeness that you certainly don't seem to deem necissary.
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