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Christadelphian
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Posted: 26 Jul 2006 11:05 pm |
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HI! I have been over weight for my WHOLE life! 13 yrs to be exact! I am only 13 yrs old and already i weigh 60 kg!
I go to Fernwood Women's Health CLub but i can never lose any weight! I am soo vulnerable and i am teased every day!
I HATE it! I Get soooo Depressed! ]
Please can you help me!
 Christadelphian
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Nir
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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 10:50 am |
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Hi Christina,
I guess 60kg isn't slim unless you're tall enough (say 1.7m / 5'7").
Exercising is good for both health and weight loss - but as a guideline, losing weight is 20% about exercise and 80% about how much and what you eat. You've probably become overweight because of past food choices. So are you doing your best to eat healthy foods, focusing on vegetables and fruit instead of calorie-dense foods and junk foods? Perhaps you can post what you eat in a typical day and we might have suggestions?
Nir
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 27 Jul 2006 10:20 pm |
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Christadelphian,
I was overweight already by your age, too. The best thing you can do for yourself is get in shape now!
Nir's right, it all depends on how tall you are. Me, I'm 5'6, and if I never got any lower then 132, I could live and die happy (though I'd prefer 120 :P) I suggest you do what Nir said, and post your eating habits (maybe even start a diary, if you plan to stay awhile) AND go to the BMI calculator and figure out exactly how mauch you need to lose.
Ignore other people. People are dumb. You'd be in what, seventh grade? Ick. My seventh grade year was awful. If they have a problem, it's their problem. Find some people who love you for who you are, and just ignore everyone else :D
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 12:25 am |
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| I am around 1.56 Cm! And i HAVE been watching what i eat for a year! I always try to eat healthy!
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 12:28 am |
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1.56 centimeters? Huh? I guess you meant meters...
...drat, summer's been too long, no clue how tall that is in inches.
Do you look on the BMI calculator, Christa? Also, i know you say you eat healthy, but why don't you post anyway...you can think you are eating healthy, and not really be. Maybe you are eating too little...?
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 03:48 am |
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If i was eating too little i would know i think since i used to LOVE food and now i still have a small spark!
it is probably meatres. I think i am 5,6 but i don't know! Probably mt's!
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Nir
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 12:38 pm |
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If your height is 1.56m (156cm) then your BMI is 24.65 (edging towards being overweight) so that's probably correct. That's 5 foot 1.5 inches by the way.
Unfortunately, if you don't reveal what you eat, other readers can't give you any opinions or make suggestions for improvement. You are still welcome to read the Tutorials, to check that your views on Healthy Eating match what others are thinking. I keep learning more about healthy eating all the time, so I guess am surprised you already know everything there is to know. Perhaps you can teach us some by example.
If you don't want to reveal the foods you eat, perhaps you can add up the calories and say what the total is for the day?
Female, 13, 1.56m, 60kg -> unadjusted RMR is 1350. Maintenance (no gain or loss calories): Sedentary = 1620, Light Exerciser = 1856, Heavy Exerciser = 2093. So:
How many calories to eat, to lose fat: Sedentary = 1377, Light Exerciser = 1578, Heavy Exerciser = 1779.
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 07:00 pm |
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Also, Christa...I don't know if this might make you feel better, but you are not really obese. Obese is...OVERLY overwieght. As Nir said, you are on the outside edge of having a normal BMI (body mass index). So at worst, you are merely overweight, not obese.
Have you talked to your parents about how you feel about your weight?
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 09:37 pm |
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| Yeah i have!! They just say i had a Bad Eating Habit when i was young and i just couldn't stop! Now i only try to eat when i am hungry, like 3 meals a day and no extra's! I also reakon that i ate when i had nothing to do! And also when i was Board!!
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 09:39 pm |
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My Mother is a Nurse and my Father is an ex- Paramedic!
My Mum did my BMI (cause i didn't know how)
and she said the bmi for a 13 yr old is 50 kg!
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 28 Jul 2006 10:12 pm |
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Hon, yes, you are at the upper range of a normal BMI, but it is still normal. I'm not sure what you want us to do. You won't tell us what you eat...I mean, like Nir said, there isn't much we can do unless you want to give us a few more specifics...
All the best,
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 29 Jul 2006 02:50 am |
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Well on a Normal day i have:
BREAKFAST:
Sustain, and Orange juice with Pulp
Morning Tea:
I usually have a glass of Milk and a short brad biscuit
LUNCH:
I have a Sandwhich which usually consists of Ham!
And Dinner i usualy Have Chicken Keiv's
Hope it helps!
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 29 Jul 2006 02:42 pm |
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Well, just at a glance it looks like you may not be eating enough. I don't know what Sustain is, or really what chicken kievs are either.
But your orange juice probably has about 130 cals or so, the sandwhich about 250, milk about 120, a biscuit about 120?
So that makes your calorie count without the kievs and sustain only 620.
Nir said if you are sedentary (which means you basically sit around your house and don't do anything in the way of exercise) you need 1377 calories.
That means the kievs and Sustain need to equal another 750 calories. I promise, eating this number for an extended period of time WILL cause you to lose weight. If you are eating less than this, you are in effect telling your body, "Sorry, you're not getting enough food to let you maintain all my organ systems. I'm not going to give it to you."
In return, your body is going to say, "Okay, fine! I will learn to get by on less, and I will store all this extra stuff I don't need as fat."
If you then lower your intake more, to counteract that, the same thing will continue happening until you are eating next to nothing, and still not losing weight. You cannot deprive your body of the nutrients it need.
I would also suggest a more nutritios breakfast. Waffles, pop-tarts, toast, cereal, muffins...so many yummy things you could eat!
Remember, too, you need more than 1377 if you are a light exerciser or heavy exerciser (see Nir's post).
Keep us posted.
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 29 Jul 2006 09:15 pm |
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| Thanks, but wouldn't your listed item's just make me more fat? I mean they aren't the type of food that you usually eat when you are losing weight! Or trying to anyway!!
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 30 Jul 2006 12:53 am |
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It's not really the "type of food" such as portion sizes. Yeah, you don't need to eat a box of waffles; you're not going to lose weight that way. But a serving of waffles, which is two, is only 190 calories. Adding a few pats of butter will put you up another hundred, and add that orange juice will give you 150 more. That makes a nutritious 440 calorie breakfast.
If you ate that many for every meal, you would end up with 1320 at the end of the day: almost your sedentary limit. You could actually add in a fifty calorie snack, and still be okay.
That probably seems like a lot. But you need to really hear this. It's important, so i don't mind repeating it: EATING TOO FEW CALORIES IS JUST AS HARMFUL AS EATING TOO MANY!!!
Check out the tutorials on this site. If you are really serious about getting in shape and feeling better about yourself, you will be able to find the time :)
I admire that you keep asking questions, but I hope you will take any advice given you seriously :)
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Nir
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Posted: 30 Jul 2006 03:22 am |
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I also had to look up Sustain - it is a cereal made by Kellogg's. I know what Chicken Kiev's are - chicken swimming in butter, all wrapped in some breading. Hardly healthy stuff, but perhaps eating too few calories isn't the problem. Short-bread biscuits also aren't the healthiest thing to have. I notice you didn't mention eating fruits or vegetables (apart from orange juice with pulp). If you're trying to eat more healthy, you could certainly add some of those. If you're worried about eating too many calories, you could substitute an unhealthy thing for a healthy thing. I see bits of protein mentioned (milk - is it skimmed? ham, chicken in the chicken Kiev) but is it lean and is there enough of it?
You are 13 - so I have to ask: do you get a choice about what you eat? Could you make healthier choices if you wanted to, or are you being forced to eat what you do? Would you say that your parents eat the same stuff, or healthier, or less healthy?
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 30 Jul 2006 01:32 pm |
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Okay, well if Sustain is cereal, that's better. I was afraid it might just be soem kind of vitamin or something 
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 9 Aug 2006 09:46 pm |
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How are you doing Christa?
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 9 Aug 2006 10:17 pm |
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| Well i have been on the Liver-cleansing Diest for half a week, because i have been extreamly Busy with School and stuff, but i still have not lost any weight. Though every morning i have before i have eaten. Had a cup of Lemon Juice (To wake up my liver) and immediatly after that i have 2 cups of Water. Then i have a zinc tablet and a Vitamin c tablet in the morning and night.
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 9 Aug 2006 10:20 pm |
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Christadelphian is a username. My real name is Sarah...........
Well being 13 i don't really get a choice in what i eat....
But Mum and Dad decided to let Hannah and i... (Hannah is 16) to do the shopping, they drop us off and pick us up. So i am allowed to get fresh Fruit and Vegies, but we are given a limit of $200.
The only hard bit is the fruit always gets polished off half way through the week
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 9 Aug 2006 11:22 pm |
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I know Christadelphian is a username, I just chose not to type the whole thing (same way as you could shorten mine to clarinet or many other things)
Great that you get to buy lots of fruits and veggies now. Two hundred is a pretty good bit, isn't it? I understand what you mean about not having as much choice in what you eat.
Just keep working!
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 9 Aug 2006 11:45 pm |
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Thanks
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VYV8
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Posted: 28 Aug 2006 12:07 am |
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Sarah - sounds like you're in Australia, like me. Keep focussing on having lots of fruit and vegetables, and if you have bread try to get wholemeal. Also, don't put sugar on your Sustain (if you do that).
Stay away from softdrinks and cordial - stick to water and sometimes juice.
Let us know how you're going!
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Ball
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Posted: 1 Sep 2006 06:37 pm |
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Christadelphian wrote: HI! I have been over weight for my WHOLE life! 13 yrs to be exact! I am only 13 yrs old and already i weigh 60 kg!
I go to Fernwood Women's Health CLub but i can never lose any weight! I am soo vulnerable and i am teased every day!
I HATE it! I Get soooo Depressed!]
Please can you help me!
Christadelphian
Here's some motivation.
Boys will want to date you.
You won't have type 2 diabetes.
You will be able to wear normal clothes.
You won't wear out your joints.
You will be fit.
Obviously you like food more than you like the above. You like food so much that you are willing to be verbally abused. You need to admit that.
You need to get honest with yourself and ask yourself "why is induging my hedonistic pleasure more important to me than eating responsibly and being healthy?
You simply need to stop eating #%@&! and never eat it again. You control what you shove into your mouth. You need to stop whining and start acting responsibly.
As to what you should be eating limit grains and when you do eat them eat only whole grains. Do what this pyrmid says except add more veggies, less grains and NO sweets at all, skim milk and NO cheese. A cubic inch of cheese has 100 calories mostly from FAT.
Remember, hunger is a feeling not a command.
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 3 Sep 2006 04:57 pm |
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I don't think it's very nice to say boys only date thin girls. It's not entirely true either. And if a boy is only going to date her once she loses some weight, then he's a shallow jerk and doesn't deserve to be dated anyway.
Of course I mean that in the nicest possible way 
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Ball
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Posted: 3 Sep 2006 06:40 pm |
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clarinetgurl wrote: I don't think it's very nice to say boys only date thin girls. It's not entirely true either. And if a boy is only going to date her once she loses some weight, then he's a shallow jerk and doesn't deserve to be dated anyway.
Of course I mean that in the nicest possible way
clarinetgurl
Shallow Hal was just a movie. Men find fat women unattractive. It is not shallowness it is nature. Obesity is an unacceptable condition.
Humans are animals. Our reproductive urge is very strong. Unhealthy looking women are unattractive to men because they are not as suitable as mates or as mothers. Finding fat girls unattractive is not some artificial cultural norm. It's nature.
Let's now look at the character issue. What kind of a person would allow thmeselves to get fat in the first place? The words slothful and gluttonous come to mind. I realize that those words are not politically correct but they are accurate.
If a boy tells a girl that he finds her unattractive and does not want to date her because she is fat he is doing one thing that many boys don't do. He is being honest with her and isn't honesty the best policy?
Let's cut the the political correctness #%@&! for a moment and start telling it like it is. Fat women are unwomanly and fat men are unmanly. Let's examine the evolutionary biology for a moment. A man with a big belly and boobs looks more like a pregnant women than a real man. Why would a normal women find that attractive? A fat woman from the back looks pretty gross and they look even worse from the front. A woman's boos are supposed to stick out further than het belly unless she is pregnant. Being that pregnant women are usually have a mate nature has seen to it that men are not attracted to them. I will put it bluntly. Fat women are a gross out to most men. You may not like to hear that but it is the truth.
Again, as to shallowness, who is more shallow the boy who's biological nature tells him fat girls are gross or the girl who would rather stuff her face with junk food for hedonistic pleasure rather than act responsibly? A fat girl is constantly unfaithful to herself, her family and her husband because she places food above all.
Anyway that is my way of looking at it. I am not trying to be mean. I'm simply being honest.
As to ridicule and taunts against fat people goes, they bring it on themselves. While I don't like bullies I dislike people who play the victim even less because they are nothing more than a passive agressive bully.
Fat girls need to know that if they do get a guy he probably has settled and he will always be on the look out for an atractive women. That is not true in all cases but I think we know that pretty much is the rule.
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 04:11 pm |
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Hmm..I don't think I like you very much. You can be honest without being mean.
Well, I don't agree with what you said or how you said it, but I don't want to talk to you anymore. I sure hope Christadelphian doesn't read this, or else that she has a a harder shell than me, cause if you had just said all that about me I would probably cry and leave.
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 06:07 pm |
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clarinetgurl wrote: Hmm..I don't think I like you very much. You can be honest without being mean.
Well, I don't agree with what you said or how you said it, but I don't want to talk to you anymore. I sure hope Christadelphian doesn't read this, or else that she has a a harder shell than me, cause if you had just said all that about me I would probably cry and leave.
clarinetgurl
A couple of things. First off I am not in this world to win anyone's aproval. As to me being mean I think that I am being very nice about it. I know it is politically incorrect to be honest these days when you are dealing with hyper sensitive people who are in denial but I guess hypocrisy just brings out the Bill Mahr in me.
The fact is people get fat for one reason. They take in too many calories...perod end of story.
The fact is people stay fat because they are too weak willed to deal with the discomfort of a temporary calorie deficet.
If they put the weight back on they are too unwilling to acknowledge that they need to clean up their eating habits. People who exhibit thoses behaviors are gluttons. That is not mean. That is a fact. So then if you are fat you are a glutton. You can deny that but that will only make you a fatter glutton
Food has one practical function. It provided nourishment. That is all we should ever use food for.
When I look around me and I see that the majority of people are obese I no longer see fat. I see members of an apathetic and decadent society. I see people who would trample on my rights just to satisfy their unbridled food lust. I see bad citizenship , bad parent and bad role models. I also see higher medical costs for everyone.
There is nothing positive about being fat, lazy, irresponsible and gluttonous. I am here trying to help people behave like responsible adults. I am not being mean. Perhaps I am a bit stern in my apporach but that is waht is needed.
If you are offended then I think you are missing the point.
Perhaps you would like to point out any statements I made that with which you dissagree. If you would like to set me straight on the facts please do so. I am open to any criticism.
If you would like my help in getting your head on straight so that you no longer repeat the behaviors that have made you fat I will be honored to help you. If you wish to remain in denial and lash out at the truth teller in the world God help you because you are heading down a road of poor health.
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Christadelphian
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 10:28 pm |
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Well if your should know, i am Naturaly Fat. I have always been Chubby. And i feel the way you are aproaching my post will help me alot... I have printed out your replys and put them on my wall so whenever i feel the urge for Junk food, i'll look at that and think "Hey! Where's your self control?"
Thanks
 Sarah
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 10:33 pm |
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Hey Clarinetgirl.
I already read it before "Ball" posted again. It doesn't matter at what way he/she approaches my issue. It'd just make me realise your'v got to pick up your act.....
I'm not the type that crys at these issues  i hardly cry at all actually.
Thanks
Sarah
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Nir
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 10:53 pm |
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Christadelphian wrote: i am Naturaly Fat.
I am an endomorph body type (at least in part), which means that, if I did not watch what I eat, I will quickly return to being overweight (and given enough time, presumably even obese). Some people can eat what they like and they tend to burn it all off.
In our society, most people are naturally uneducated in what healthy eating is (until they stumble upon materials such as the Diet and Weight Loss Tutorial or similiar). Then we can actually do something about this.
Whilst there might be some very rare exceptions, I think it is true that most people who are obese have gained weight over a long time period during which they simply did not care about their appearance, their health etc.
I do have a personal bias:
If I know something about an obese person (perhaps they keep a diary on this site, or I know them personally) then I can respect them for their efforts to regain health and a normal weight.
However, if I know nothing about them then I do often make the assumption that, like most obese people, they are doing nothing about their condition (except that they continue to eat unhealthy and gain even more weight). I find it difficult to respect someone who does not want to help themselves, and I imagine that most obese people come under that category. I feel some despair as I pass obese people on the street (even though any particular person I pass might be making excellent progress losing 1-2lb a week - unfortunately there isn't a way for me to know).
Obviously, almost all of us on this website are here because we do want to do something about it!
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Posted: 5 Sep 2006 03:37 am |
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I don't know what all that was about, but it seems to me (and probably a trillion other readers and members) that "ball" is completely looking to "shock and awe"  us with rude and obscene comments, criticisms and "opinions" which "ball" implies as being "the truth" puh!
 How sad...........we had someone on this site before who was just as obnoxious, and I felt sorry for her, now I feel sorry for "ball" Poor poor "ball"
How bitter does "ball" have to be to come onto a thelegacywebsite.com website where people are trying to help themselves to rip apart "fat" and "overweight" people who apparently are no longer deserving of human and certainly not male respect and consideration??????? How bitter you ask? I'm gonna go with VERY bitter...VERY...I wonder why...hmmm....anything you REALLY want to get off your chest "ball" ???? We're all ears........let's have it. You seem to "know it all"
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Posted: 6 Sep 2006 03:10 am |
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ObsessedwithFitness wrote: I don't know what all that was about, but it seems to me (and probably a trillion other readers and members) that "ball" is completely looking to "shock and awe" us with rude and obscene comments, criticisms and "opinions" which "ball" implies as being "the truth" puh!
How sad...........we had someone on this site before who was just as obnoxious, and I felt sorry for her, now I feel sorry for "ball" Poor poor "ball"
How bitter does "ball" have to be to come onto a thelegacywebsite.com website where people are trying to help themselves to rip apart "fat" and "overweight" people who apparently are no longer deserving of human and certainly not male respect and consideration??????? How bitter you ask? I'm gonna go with VERY bitter...VERY...I wonder why...hmmm....anything you REALLY want to get off your chest "ball" ???? We're all ears........let's have it. You seem to "know it all"
Be honest. you have no compassion for me. As far as you are concerned I am the enemy.
I am not "ripping fat people apart" I am ripping theri delusion to shred righ in front of their eyes.
I'm glad to see that you atleast see that I know what I am talking about. I don;t know it all but I know more than anyone here about weightloss. If you have any questions regarding what is required to loses weigh and keep it off I will have the answer.
Here's a question for you that you won't answer but I will ask it anyway. Are you happy with the fact that 65% of Americans are obese, mobidly obese or extemely morbidly obese?
One more question. Do you think it's fair that normal have to foot the bill for the costs of obesity?
Heck I'll ask one more. Do you think a person who allows herself to get fat is acting like a mature and responsible adult?
It looks like your intellectual dishonesty has been exposed. Pity.
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Posted: 6 Sep 2006 03:29 am |
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| Now that is Purely Spitefull. "Ball" Please just either leave or get a grip. We don;t need your insults here...
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Posted: 6 Sep 2006 04:45 am |
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I agree with christadelphian.....Ball seems very bitter and obviously wants to take it out on us strangers that he/she will never have to come face to face with...so sad.
Ball, you must have nothing better to do but be mean to others. Please leave.
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 6 Sep 2006 12:10 pm |
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Hmm, I told myself I wouldn't say anything else...anywhere...cause I've read you everywhere...
...but you really need to leave us alone. Stick to your little counseling thread (which I noticed, no one has taken advantage of yet. I wonder why? Could it be because bad-mouthing people is not the way to reach them as you say it is?)
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OWF
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Posted: 6 Sep 2006 01:21 pm |
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I am not "ripping fat people apart" I am ripping theri delusion to shred righ in front of their eyes.
I'm glad to see that you atleast see that I know what I am talking about. I don;t know it all but I know more than anyone here about weightloss. If you have any questions regarding what is required to loses weigh and keep it off I will have the answer.
Here's a question for you that you won't answer but I will ask it anyway. Are you happy with the fact that 65% of Americans are obese, mobidly obese or extemely morbidly obese?
One more question. Do you think it's fair that normal have to foot the bill for the costs of obesity?
Heck I'll ask one more. Do you think a person who allows herself to get fat is acting like a mature and responsible adult?
It looks like your intellectual dishonesty has been exposed. Pity.
Wow, you DO know it all!! And you even know how to spell and type and speak to others as a human being!!!! Great job!!! I can ALMOST read your sentences....there aren't TOO MANY mistakes....puh
Anyway, I won't pick on you the way you have treated others so far in your limited days on our forums, but I will answer your pathetic political questions cause that's how I roll......
Am I happy with the fact that 65% of Americans are obese? My answer is no. (and you said I wouldn't answer it!!! Guess you were wrong again. OOPS, did I say that out loud?)
Do I think it's fair that normal have to foot the bill for the costs of obesity? Not sure what you mean by that, please clarify.
Do I think a person who allows herself to get fat is acting like a mature and responsible adult? I don't know the person you are referring to, and just based on her weight in pounds I certainly can not judge if she is a mature and responsible adult. I need other pertinent data and information. Maturity and responsibility can mean a lot of things...if you are confused, I will give you some examples....such as paying their own bills on time, working for a living, taking care of their families and others, and not acting like a little child are all examples of maturity and responsibility. Taking care of one's health is definitely one example, but to say a woman (still not sure who you are referring to) is not responsible or mature because they weigh more than you think is mature and responsible is quite silly. I think I need more information before making that judgment call. But, that's just me.
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Wow! Here's a thread that's run away with itself...
I think there's a difference between honesty and being too blunt, but let's put that aside.
Human nature is a complicated thing. Most folk who are overweight know the cause, I believe. That's a logical thing. But little about human nature is logical.
I spent many years carrying more weight than I wanted, but approached losing it just like most folk do... as a knee-jerk reaction to do something, anything quickly - every time I became disgusted with myself.
That's a bad way to start on any campaign.
I only cracked it for good when I stopped to get my head in order before deciding on a weight loss regime that would suit me in the long term. Then I went ahead and did it, because I was ready and prepared.
After I lost the weight, I didn't think I was a better person. I was pleased that I'd wrested control of my life from my subconscious urges, but I was the same person, only thinner.
Modern life is an awful mish-mash. Governments warn us to eat healthily while at the same time kow-towing to the huge lobbies in the food industry who make pots of money from our food (and other) addictions.
Let's be nice to each other, people. There's enough strife and trouble in the world anyway, without beating each other over the head in these forums.
Kiss and make up? You know it's best.
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nevd wrote: Wow! Here's a thread that's run away with itself...
I think there's a difference between honesty and being too blunt, but let's put that aside.
Human nature is a complicated thing. Most folk who are overweight know the cause, I believe. That's a logical thing. But little about human nature is logical.
I spent many years carrying more weight than I wanted, but approached losing it just like most folk do... as a knee-jerk reaction to do something, anything quickly - every time I became disgusted with myself.
That's a bad way to start on any campaign.
I only cracked it for good when I stopped to get my head in order before deciding on a weight loss regime that would suit me in the long term. Then I went ahead and did it, because I was ready and prepared.
After I lost the weight, I didn't think I was a better person. I was pleased that I'd wrested control of my life from my subconscious urges, but I was the same person, only thinner.
Modern life is an awful mish-mash. Governments warn us to eat healthily while at the same time kow-towing to the huge lobbies in the food industry who make pots of money from our food (and other) addictions.
Let's be nice to each other, people. There's enough strife and trouble in the world anyway, without beating each other over the head in these forums.
Kiss and make up? You know it's best.
I really think we need to call it what it is. Clearly we have become a decadent society. Americans are pigs. there really is no better way of saying it.
I would resist making any value judgement but it seem pretty obvious what the crux of the problem is. Most people have this attitude. "If it feels good do it" instead of the attitude that says if it feels right right do and if you know its wrong don't do it.
It simply is wrong to overeat on a regular basis. That sort of behavior is indefensible and that is the reason a couple of fat people who are still practicing gluttony are attacking me personally and not my argument. I am not the only one who sees sloth and gluttony as a moral failing. The Bible says that sloth and gluttony are two of the seven deadly sins. Most other religions view gluttony and sloth as sin as well.
Fat people have gone so far as to sue fast food companies. That is the epitome of fattitude. That would be like putting a gun to your head shooting yourself and then suing the gun company. Imagine the pure dishonesty involved in suing McDonalds based on the claim that you didn't know that eating 5000 calories a day would turn you into an obese blob of human wreckage.
I really reject the notion that there is some grand conspiracy by the food companies. They have tried offering healthy choices. Their main customer base does not want to eat healthy. Let's do the math. 65% of people are fat. Fat people eat more than normal ones. The fast food companies know the segment to which the are marketing their products. They know that lean and responsible people won't eat their slop so they don't waste their time trying to get people like me to eat grease burgers and fries. If I ate McDonalds food right now I would McPuke. Right now I am eating a peach and enjoying every bite. It won't make me McPuke. It won't raise my risk for heat disease, It won't lead to diabetes. It won't hasten my death.
People with fattitude willingly increase their risk for strokes, heart disease, diabetes ect by indulging in their unbridled food lust. Like spoiled children they give no thought to the consequenses of their immature behavior. All they care about is satiffying their food lust. Some might say that that behavior make them a food#%@&!.
I would apologise if I have done something wrong but telling the truth is not wrong. If what I have said has offended some people perhaps they need to realize that what really is offending them is the truth about them. Only they have the power to change their ways. I am not the one shoving food into their pie holes. I'm the one telling them to rent bowling shoes instead of that DVD. I'm the one telling them to walk instead of hopping into the fatty scooter. I'm the one telling them to eat wholesome food.
What I am saying is unpopular. If what I am was popular we would not be facing a growing obesity epidemic that is straining our healthcare budget nad cutting into our productivity.
I have offered to help anyone who needs to change their gluttonous and slothful behaviors.
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Posted: 6 Sep 2006 04:56 pm |
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clarinetgurl wrote: Hmm, I told myself I wouldn't say anything else...anywhere...cause I've read you everywhere...
...but you really need to leave us alone. Stick to your little counseling thread (which I noticed, no one has taken advantage of yet. I wonder why? Could it be because bad-mouthing people is not the way to reach them as you say it is?)
clarinetgurl
You have several choices here.
1. You can choose to ignore me but so far you have been unable to make that choice.
2. You can respond intelligently. Ah uhm well maybe you can't
3. You can take issue with what I am saying and discuss it dispassionately.
So far you have shown very little self control. Maybe that is why you are fat. Ya think?
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Nir
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Posted: 7 Sep 2006 05:19 am |
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Ball wrote: that is the reason a couple of fat people who are still practicing gluttony are attacking me personally and not my argument.
Oh, who are you referring to? Do they see it this way or would they describe themselves as making efforts to lose weight?
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Posted: 7 Sep 2006 05:35 am |
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Nir wrote: Ball wrote: that is the reason a couple of fat people who are still practicing gluttony are attacking me personally and not my argument.
Oh, who are you referring to? Do they see it this way or would they describe themselves as making efforts to lose weight?
You can be the judge. Here is a cut and paste. My responeses are in blue.
ObsessedwithFitness wrote: You know what I am "yapping" about, that's why you went back after my post and changed the grammar and spelling....so at least you tried to make some semblance of sense. You are still a loser in my book. Calling people you don't know "fat" Thats so sad.
Is there a rule about personal insults because this is the 2nd time you called me a loser. I cannot be a loser because I don't need to lose any weight. Can you say the same about yourself?
I don;t think I need to know someone personally to know if they are fat. Something like that is pretty obvious. Perahaps you would be more momfortable with the term gravitationally challenged.
You are an idiot. I am one of the people that co-workers bug about not eating the #%@&! they bring in, if you were an actual member, you'd have at least an IDEA of what and who you were insulting. Moron. You're OBVIOUSLY single and overweight I am sorry for you. Like you said, you are just being honest. You're right, I guess the truth does hurt, huh?
Two more insults. Well I guess when someone lacks the truth all they have left is insults.
Me single? That would come as a shock to my wife. Oh and I'm fat as well? Are you sure you are not talking about yourself.
You say you feel sorry for me yet you insult 3 times in this post. You have called me a moron and an idiot and then you called me a moron. I believe that George Bush is a moron but that being the case he probably knows that more calories in than out will result in the storage excess body fat. An Idot is a step below a moron and I beleive that you can't quite grast the concept. So when you call me an idiot I really think you are talking about yourself.
You're right, Nicole is someone's daughter, and so are all the "fat" women you've tried so hard to insult so far on CPH. What is your personal life like? I can't imagine it's too pleasant. I am sorry that you are overweight and you have problems, but please stop taking it out on everyone else here. As we have tried to tell you before (in nicer ways) we are here for a different reason than you are. We are here to be part of a supportive environment. You are here to be an insulting, obnoxious, ignoramus. Again, I am sorry you are dealing with these issues right now and that you are overweight, things will get better.
OOOO one more insult! That makes four in one post. You called me an ignoramus. Yep you do have me confused with you. Yep, you must be talking about yourself because you called me an insulting, obnoxious. ignoramus. In this post alone you have cornered the market on insults. You certainly have obnoxious covered and when it come to ignorance you win the gold medal. Congratualtions!
As to my personal life, I'll tell you what I did today. I consulted on a HVAC system for a big apartment complex. I had a meeting with some architectural engineers. I had an early dinner and an outdoor cafe. I spoke with my wife on the phone. She is also a consultant and she is out of town. I faxxed some drawings and specs. I had a dip in the pool. I watched an episode of Criss Angel and now I am slam dunking you.
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Posted: 9 Sep 2006 02:17 am |
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I have read all of the posts and just want to let you know that everyone has given you some excellent information. A key part to losing weight is to get some exercise. You are 13, why aren't you outside with your friends doing some form of exercise? You need to spend at least 90 minutes a day doing something other than sitting on a sofa.
Also, your calorie intake is way too low. You are putting your body into starvation mode. You need to eat more food. Try eating whole grains like brown rice and oatmeal, veggies, proteins (salmon or any other fish or shellfish, broiled or baked chicken. Use skim milk and sugar substitutes. Drink 8 glasses of cold water every day!!! If you are sedentary, then the people on this site have given you accurate info on how many calories you need. But, if you get up and out and start walking and possibly take up a sport or riding a bike, you will burn, burn, burn that fat. Another thing that definitely works is to spead your calories out throughout the day by eating 5 small meals.
Good Luck and keep us posted on your success! I know you can do it!
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 03:51 pm |
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catbox wrote:
I have read all of the posts and just want to let you know that everyone has given you some excellent information.?é?á A key part to losing weight is to get some exercise.?é?á You are 13, why aren't you outside with your friends doing some form of exercise??é?á You need to spend at least 90 minutes a day doing something other than sitting on a sofa.?é?á
Also, your calorie intake is way too low.?é?á You are putting your body into starvation mode. You need to eat more food.?é?á Try eating whole grains like brown rice and oatmeal, veggies, proteins (salmon or any other fish or shellfish, broiled or baked chicken.?é?á Use skim milk and sugar substitutes.?é?á Drink 8 glasses of cold water every day!!!?é?á If you are sedentary, then the people on this site have given you accurate info?é?á on how many calories you need.?é?á But, if you get up and out and start walking and possibly take up a sport or riding a bike, you will burn, burn, burn that fat.?é?á Another thing that definitely works is to spead your calories out throughout the day by eating 5 small meals.?é?á?é?á
Good Luck and keep us posted on your success!?é?á I know you can do it!
@Christadelphian - This is great starting advice, Dont mind that blabbering attention seeker named Ball, He obviously has some insecurity issues he needs to work out for himself.
I once heard a profound quote and it goes something like, "What irritates us about others, tells us something about ourselves." - Carl Jung.
Its best to understand what you are currently doing so we can better help you, areas of strength and weakness in your program, so on and so forth, are you seeking help in diet, exercise, self-image, scheduling a routine, etc. Because of your age, you may not know where to start, but just really helps to know where you are starting to help you most effectively
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 02:47 am |
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naturalstamina wrote: catbox wrote:
I have read all of the posts and just want to let you know that everyone has given you some excellent information. A key part to losing weight is to get some exercise. You are 13, why aren't you outside with your friends doing some form of exercise? You need to spend at least 90 minutes a day doing something other than sitting on a sofa.
Also, your calorie intake is way too low. You are putting your body into starvation mode. You need to eat more food. Try eating whole grains like brown rice and oatmeal, veggies, proteins (salmon or any other fish or shellfish, broiled or baked chicken. Use skim milk and sugar substitutes. Drink 8 glasses of cold water every day!!! If you are sedentary, then the people on this site have given you accurate info on how many calories you need. But, if you get up and out and start walking and possibly take up a sport or riding a bike, you will burn, burn, burn that fat. Another thing that definitely works is to spead your calories out throughout the day by eating 5 small meals.
Good Luck and keep us posted on your success! I know you can do it!
@Christadelphian - This is great starting advice, Dont mind that blabbering attention seeker named Ball, He obviously has some insecurity issues he needs to work out for himself.
I once heard a profound quote and it goes something like, "What irritates us about others, tells us something about ourselves." - Carl Jung.
Its best to understand what you are currently doing so we can better help you, areas of strength and weakness in your program, so on and so forth, are you seeking help in diet, exercise, self-image, scheduling a routine, etc. Because of your age, you may not know where to start, but just really helps to know where you are starting to help you most effectively
If a kid comes to a forum like this and you don't know her medical status you may want to tell her to discuss it with her parents or tell her something sensible that a kid can understand like Ball did.
Now she is 18 and probably is not even here but you did not take that into account. Catbox offered good advice as did Ball. Sloth and gluttony are less about nutrition and more about behavior. The philosophical BS of Carl Jung is philosophical BS.
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 03:56 am |
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Its clearly stated her age and the date in her post.
I think anyone can do the math also.
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 04:22 am |
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naturalstamina wrote: Its clearly stated her age and the date in her post.
I think anyone can do the math also.
Obviously you can't.
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