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becoming_myself
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Posted: 22 Nov 2011 05:35 pm |
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So we all know when we see someone smoking or over drinking or something like this we have to urge to tell them to stop. In fact it is perfectly ok to go up to someone who is smoking and say "Hey you're killing yourself" or "Why are you smoking?" or "Don't you know what you're doing to your body?".
Since this is the case why is it not acceptable to go up to a fat person and say "Hey why do you eat so much?" or "Why are you killing yourself?" or "Why don't you hit the gym?"?
I am fat myself (I'm working on it, very close to my goal weight at this point) and I understand just as much as the next person how painful it can be to be called fat but really we did this to ourselves! Why can't other people point it out? Why is it considered rude when it's not considered rude to admonish someone from smoking?
Does anyone else feel this way? Please any thoughts on this subject...(JSABD especially, I've been reading your threads and enjoy your honest answers).
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 23 Nov 2011 04:36 am |
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| How do you know who's trying and who's not? Assuming you don't catch them in the middle of dessert at Golden Corral?
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JSABD
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Posted: 24 Nov 2011 03:22 am |
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becoming_myself wrote:
So we all know when we see someone smoking or over drinking or something like this we have to urge to tell them to stop. In fact it is perfectly ok to go up to someone who is smoking and say "Hey you're killing yourself" or "Why are you smoking?" or "Don't you know what you're doing to your body?".
Since this is the case why is it not acceptable to go up to a fat person and say "Hey why do you eat so much?" or "Why are you killing yourself?" or "Why don't you hit the gym?"?
I am fat myself (I'm working on it, very close to my goal weight at this point) and I understand just as much as the next person how painful it can be to be called fat but really we did this to ourselves! Why can't other people point it out? Why is it considered rude when it's not considered rude to admonish someone from smoking?
Does anyone else feel this way? Please any thoughts on this subject...(JSABD especially, I've been reading your threads and enjoy your honest answers).
Great insight! A bartender can cut off a drunk who has had to much and they do it for the safety of the drunk and others. Gluttony kills a lot more people than alcohol.
Smoking is on the decline because we have stigmatized it and unlike food nicotine is highly addictive. We should have more sympathy for drunks, smokers and druggies than we do for gluttons but instead we pander to them. To some degree smokers, drunks and druggies are victims because in many cases they are addicts.
Honesty is something gluttons don't want to hear. Deep down they know that their behavior is in part the result of a moral failing but they they are in denial. Gluttony and hedonism cause people to become egotistical and narcissistic. They have this sense of entitlement and when they are confronted they play the victim.
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becoming_myself
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Posted: 24 Nov 2011 09:29 am |
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| Well if a comment is made to someone who is trying they should be able to proudly say yes i know and I'm on the track to changing my life. Fat people should be grateful for these type of comments. Obviously we're too lazy and unwilling to change so having somewhere there to tell us will only help if it's used correctly.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 24 Nov 2011 06:23 pm |
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Becoming,
How fat would someone need to be to qualify for public intervention?
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JSABD
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Posted: 25 Nov 2011 04:17 am |
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Tankgirl wrote:
Becoming,
How fat would someone need to be to qualify for public intervention?
When someone is harming themselves or others there should be an intervention.
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becoming_myself
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Posted: 25 Nov 2011 10:56 am |
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JSABD wrote: Tankgirl wrote:
Becoming,
How fat would someone need to be to qualify for public intervention?
When someone is harming themselves or others there should be an intervention.
Exactly.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 25 Nov 2011 12:05 pm |
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I honestly don't think it would work.
Even if all day a fat person heard "HEY WIDE LOAD! PUT DOWN THE DONUTS ALREADY" People that are bent on destroying themselves are just going to either keep doing it and respond with defiance or wait until they can go to the majority of stores that won't say a word. After all you can buy tobacco, alcohol and drug paraphernalia at any convenience store, why would anybody at Walmart or 7-11 care about twinkies?
Public shaming of any vice in this day and age just leads to a backlash - look at the idea behind "slutwalks".
The difference between food and alcohol is legal liability- If a drunk drives home and hurts/kills themselves or others the bar and the bartender could be held responsible. In my state it's against the law to sell alcohol to a "Visibly intoxicated person" . Since the burger lawsuits failed ( and rightfully so), it's the fat person's own decision to kill themselves. We simply live in a culture of "not getting involved".
Personally I'm on both sides of the fence- much morseo with kids. Do parents really know what they're allowing when they let their already obese young kids go for 2 or 3 desserts?
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 02:30 am |
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Tankgirl wrote:
I honestly don't think it would work.
Even if all day a fat person heard "HEY WIDE LOAD! PUT DOWN THE DONUTS ALREADY" People that are bent on destroying themselves are just going to either keep doing it and respond with defiance or wait until they can go to the majority of stores that won't say a word. After all you can buy tobacco, alcohol and drug paraphernalia at any convenience store, why would anybody at Walmart or 7-11 care about twinkies?
Public shaming of any vice in this day and age just leads to a backlash - look at the idea behind "slutwalks".
The difference between food and alcohol is legal liability- If a drunk drives home and hurts/kills themselves or others the bar and the bartender could be held responsible. In my state it's against the law to sell alcohol to a "Visibly intoxicated person" . Since the burger lawsuits failed ( and rightfully so), it's the fat person's own decision to kill themselves. We simply live in a culture of "not getting involved".
Personally I'm on both sides of the fence- much morseo with kids. Do parents really know what they're allowing when they let their already obese young kids go for 2 or 3 desserts?
There are no absolutes but stigmatizing gluttony is one lever that can be used on the glutton for motivation. I can cause self pity as gluttons are big babies.
Parents know darn well what they are doing when the gluttonize their kids. It's neglect and abuse. I see lazy parents and most of the time they are fatlings. They love food more than their kids. They put themselves and their pleasures first. That's bad parenting.
They shove a pacifier or a bottle in the kid's mouth instead of giving them love and attention. They stuff them with food and plop them in front of the TV. It's revolting.
It's also about payoffs. Some people get a pay off behaving ethically and others don't.Last edited on 14 Dec 2011 02:32 am by JSABD
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 14 Dec 2011 06:37 pm |
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JS,
looks like you're not the only one http://www.rooshv.com/declaration-of-holy-war-against-fat-women
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