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grangers710
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Posted: 25 Sep 2011 03:22 pm |
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I just have a few simple questions for everyone that reads this:
1) Have you truly determined the root of the issue behind your weight loss/fitness goal?
2) If so, are you performing the CORRECT action plan in the diet/fitness world to get you to your goal? If not, what is holding your back?
3) If you are confident that your actions will get you the results you want, would you bet on yourself to achieve these goals? Would you have the confidence to put your money where you mouth is and bet on YOURSELF?
Now I'm not asking anyone to place a bet on themselves, but its a good indication of how confident you are, not only in yourself, but what you're doing.
I only ask these because we all really need to examine ourselves to see what is really making us tick in this world of diet and fitness? I read so many questions on this site and other sites regarding approaches to take, foods to eat, exercises to do, and sometimes I want to just rip my hair out trying to respond. How many calories do I need to eat to lose weight? Well what is your goal? How much weight, how quickly, what type of look are you looking for, and the list of answers needed can go on and on.
Then there are the people at the gym that I saw on January 1 30 pounds overweight that I see again on December 31 still 30 pounds overweight, yet I've seen them on the treadmill busting hard day after day after day yet I hear them tell their friend next to them that this "new diet" is going to really bring results.
How long are you willing to do a diet, eat a certain way, workout a certain way and not get the results you want? Do you really know why you're doing what you're doing?
If you have a fitness related goal, are you sure your fitness approach will bring about those results? If you want to get strong, are you sure lifting those 2 pound DBs 100 times is going to get you there? If you want to gain endurance, are you sure walking at 1 incline for 40 minutes at 2.0 is going to do it? Are you sure the sweat you're pouring, the pain you put yourself thru is really going to do what you want?
I'm not trying to be a jerk, or rude, or whatever, but this is the Tough Love section. I ask these questions because I spent 6 years of my life seeking out these answers. I did I dont know how many diets, how many fitness programs I found or wrote myself, how many this and that approaches to try to lose weight yet had I really seeked the what and why behind my journey, I could have saved myself 6 years of wasted effort and added pounds.
So I ask anyone that read thru this to really analyze yourself and what you're doing. You're investing time, resources, and effort in yourself day in and day out in both your eating and your exercise, BE SURE you know what your goal is and that you know how to reach it before you waste another dollar or another minute of your time.
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JSABD
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Posted: 25 Sep 2011 11:26 pm |
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grangers710 wrote: I just have a few simple questions for everyone that reads this:
1) Have you truly determined the root of the issue behind your weight loss/fitness goal?
2) If so, are you performing the CORRECT action plan in the diet/fitness world to get you to your goal? If not, what is holding your back?
3) If you are confident that your actions will get you the results you want, would you bet on yourself to achieve these goals? Would you have the confidence to put your money where you mouth is and bet on YOURSELF?
Now I'm not asking anyone to place a bet on themselves, but its a good indication of how confident you are, not only in yourself, but what you're doing.
I only ask these because we all really need to examine ourselves to see what is really making us tick in this world of diet and fitness? I read so many questions on this site and other sites regarding approaches to take, foods to eat, exercises to do, and sometimes I want to just rip my hair out trying to respond. How many calories do I need to eat to lose weight? Well what is your goal? How much weight, how quickly, what type of look are you looking for, and the list of answers needed can go on and on.
Then there are the people at the gym that I saw on January 1 30 pounds overweight that I see again on December 31 still 30 pounds overweight, yet I've seen them on the treadmill busting hard day after day after day yet I hear them tell their friend next to them that this "new diet" is going to really bring results.
How long are you willing to do a diet, eat a certain way, workout a certain way and not get the results you want? Do you really know why you're doing what you're doing?
If you have a fitness related goal, are you sure your fitness approach will bring about those results? If you want to get strong, are you sure lifting those 2 pound DBs 100 times is going to get you there? If you want to gain endurance, are you sure walking at 1 incline for 40 minutes at 2.0 is going to do it? Are you sure the sweat you're pouring, the pain you put yourself thru is really going to do what you want?
I'm not trying to be a jerk, or rude, or whatever, but this is the Tough Love section. I ask these questions because I spent 6 years of my life seeking out these answers. I did I dont know how many diets, how many fitness programs I found or wrote myself, how many this and that approaches to try to lose weight yet had I really seeked the what and why behind my journey, I could have saved myself 6 years of wasted effort and added pounds.
So I ask anyone that read thru this to really analyze yourself and what you're doing. You're investing time, resources, and effort in yourself day in and day out in both your eating and your exercise, BE SURE you know what your goal is and that you know how to reach it before you waste another dollar or another minute of your time.
Deep down they all know what the problem is. They go through all sorts of mental gymnastics increasing their denial and turning eating less and moving more into rocket science. The truth is, fat people are gluttons and unless they admit it they will remain fat and gluttonous and waste money on schemes in a silly attempt to buy their way thin.
Hedonism means more to them than anything else.
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grangers710
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Posted: 25 Sep 2011 11:30 pm |
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| This post really applies to everyone, not just people overweight.
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Nir
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Posted: 26 Sep 2011 06:49 am |
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I like the topic.
Sometimes I have to compromise. Here are two examples to illustrate:
I have a very strong preference for exercise in a group setting. It feels like a hobby and is loosely related to my other hobby of dancing. So whilst "on paper" I am potentially interested in larger muscles, the type of weight-training available in the group setting is somewhat incompatible with that goal (long sets, smaller weights: for example 55lb barbell for squats). Yes I do have that larger-muscles goal, but it is in conflict with my "studio lifestyle" which is valuable to me for other reasons and which I've decided is more important at this time.
Similarly, I have been attracted to the 'exercise more eat more' idea (Google 'G-flux') and I am interested in more muscle mass but both of these ideas are essentially a little at odds with C.R.O.N. so I find myself drifting towards the latter because my live-longer-and-healthier goal is overriding the "be able to eat more" and "be big" goals.
And (as we're in the Tough Love forum) a lot of people have yet to align their desire to be less fat with making permanent 'lifestyle changes' consistent with being a deficit: they'll either not achieve a deficit at all, or go all-out on a "diet" (perhaps so severe that they cannot keep it up) or just not have the lifetime commitment that is required for this.
Yes there are other changes I want in my life, not in the diet and exercise sphere, which have yet to see any "follow through" from me apart from "I'd like it to be this way" statements.
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grangers710
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Posted: 26 Sep 2011 01:12 pm |
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@nir - Interesting concepts, but I think the whole idea of "compromise" is the problem and somewhat the point of this post. People want so many different things. They want to eat healthy, but want to be able to have their junk food. They want to eat in a deficit, but want to make sure they get their fruits and veggies in as well. They want to go to spin class, but really want to be able to run a marathon. They really want big muscles, but want to be able to go to spin class.
In my opinion, allowing too many different ideas/concepts/approaches to this realm is what causes people to fail. There are WAY too many different concepts out there in the diet AND fitness world and trying to grab and hold on to too many of these concepts is the recipe for disaster.
I understand your point that you'd like to eat more and get bigger muscles, but you compromise and do the group setting workouts. I'd argue and say that the getting bigger muscles and eating more isn't a goal, but an idea for you and the goal is to enjoy the time your spend exercising. You enjoy the group settings because they remind you of dance, which is fine and there is nothing wrong with that, but that's the point of this post. If you true goal really is to get bigger muscles, then you're not doing anything to get towards that goal.
I'm not trying to slam you, just trying to make a point. I find myself doing this. My action plan is to get lean and larger muscles. that's my goal. I'd really like to be able to run, but I don't run. I hate running, but yet I like the concept of it. BUT, its not my true goal so I'm not pursuing it.
I wouldn't say either of us have compromised, but only truly found our underlying goals and those we are willing to push forward at.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 07:48 am |
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Granger,
what's your opinion on combination workouts like crossfit? I'm still working up the nerve to get into something like that.
Personally I don't see a lot of conflict unless you're going for a top level of any one sport. There's so much out there it seems like it would be better to have a general level of fitness/strength that works with any number of sports.
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grangers710
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 10:21 am |
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Hey Tank,
I have no problem with crossfit. I personally wouldn't do it just because its expensive to join up, but I have plenty of friends that swear by it. BUT, their goal is an overall fitness level. They're not seeking a particular look, or being able to bench press 300 pounds, or run a 5K in 15 minutes or whatever. They're just exercising for the sake of exercising. If that's your goal, then shoot, crossfit would be awesome. Its a great balance of strength and endurance.
Working out isn't necessarily sport specific though, or how should I word this? If your goal is to be able to run fast, you're not going to be doing a circuit training program at your local YMCA going from machine to machine doing a set of 8 reps and repeating the circuit 3 times.
My post is more geared towards the individuals that NEED to lose weight, yet are going about an exercise/fitness plan that will NEVER get them there. Those individuals that you see doing the same thing day in and day out and they are overweight day 1, overweight day 100, overweight day 1000 and just dont understand why.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 04:57 pm |
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Now that I understand. My goal is usually to be sore the next day .I pushed it a little too hard this week, but I'll get there
#1 goal , temporarily 10% body fat or whatever gets the loose skin to tighten up.That's a long way off, oh well.
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grangers710
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 05:04 pm |
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| you'll be there before you know it Tank - IF you have the right action plan :-)
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Steampunk
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 05:19 pm |
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I kind of have a mixed bag of goals but, in my mind, they all fit together.
I want to slim down. I don't have any set weight that I want to be and am actually avoiding weighing myself. I cut out soda entirely, almost never have junk food (I turned down cupcakes and french fries earlier! :o ), but try not to obsess. My goal is to make changes that will be part of my new lifestyle. The keyword here is lifestyle...I'm not doing a diet or any workout fads. I just want to feel better in my clothes and feel better just being. Right now I feel uncomfortable even just walking around so the idea is to feel good.
I don't really have any particular image in mind regarding what I want to look like, I just know I want to slim down and gain some stamina. I'm discussing these goals with my trainer and he's helping me pick out exercises. A wonderful, surprising plus to all of this is that working out has given me some amount of structure, too.
A sort of short term goal is to get in better shape and then join a kickboxing class next quarter. =D
EDIT: Oh, and I want to be tougher mentally. I feel like this is all pushing me to the limit at times and that's a good thing. I'm pretty tough as is but I see room for improvement.Last edited on 27 Sep 2011 05:20 pm by Steampunk
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theraven
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 10:01 pm |
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You're lucky. I used to get sore and I enjoyed the feeling. Unfortunately no matter how hard I push weights or cardio I don't get DOMS anymore. I will push to the point of throwing up, dizziness, inability to handle a cup of water, etc., and yet I still don't get sore.
I do miss those days though since the mind wants to equate effective workout with soreness, although in reality this isn't necessarily the case.
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grangers710
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 10:04 pm |
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| nothing wrong with not getting DOMS man. Its normal. I havent had it in years either, except with legs if I dont lift them regularly. I totally know what you mean about the mental aspect of the pain = good, but yea, doesnt really many anything. Youre at a great point, take advantage of it and keep pushing hard man! Are you working on progressive resistence?
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theraven
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 10:16 pm |
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grangers710 wrote: nothing wrong with not getting DOMS man. Its normal. I havent had it in years either, except with legs if I dont lift them regularly. I totally know what you mean about the mental aspect of the pain = good, but yea, doesnt really many anything. Youre at a great point, take advantage of it and keep pushing hard man! Are you working on progressive resistence?
Definitely progressive. Working loads are typically increased quite frequently with positive results.
Its amazing how fast your body adapts to a certain work load and I think many people get comfortable with not pushing their limits, thus they stall. Seen it many times in the gym or on the trails. People tend to forget that pushing their boundaries is what got them to their current level of fitness, and they must continue to push if they want to continue seeing results.
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grangers710
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Posted: 27 Sep 2011 10:17 pm |
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| well said raven
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 28 Sep 2011 02:49 am |
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| DOMS?? oh now I get it - still tryingto learn the fine line between sore and too sore to work out the next day. It's bizzare- I could bike all day, hills,I'm fine, but 15 stinking lunges, and I'm wiped out! Last edited on 28 Sep 2011 02:54 am by Tankgirl
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grangers710
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Posted: 28 Sep 2011 10:08 am |
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| Soreness is 1 thing. Pain is another. You can work out while sore, but be wary of pain. Killer DOMS is brutal but it does go away. No reason you can't exercise a different muscle group when you got DOMS too. Its an easy excuse not to go as I've used it many times myself. Keep pushing yourself past your limits!
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MichelleP
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Posted: 28 Sep 2011 12:48 pm |
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| A couple weeks back I did a long upper body session and two days later I could barely bend my arms, it was some brutal DOMS. The worst I had ever felt. Over the counter pain meds didn't help either. I had been slacking on the strength training before that for awhile so I should have expected it.
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Sep 2011 05:56 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: A couple weeks back I did a long upper body session and two days later I could barely bend my arms, it was some brutal DOMS. The worst I had ever felt. Over the counter pain meds didn't help either. I had been slacking on the strength training before that for awhile so I should have expected it.
Stop being a slacker slacker and stop being such a wuss.
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grangers710
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Posted: 29 Sep 2011 12:44 pm |
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| anyways...anyone else have any light to shine on this topic?
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