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JSABD
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 12:42 pm |
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Many dieters do portion control and they end up stalling or gaining weight. Portion control in imprecise and leaves the glutton in you too much wiggle room. Counting calories is a must.
This is all you need to count calories. http://www.calorieking.com/
Wrap your lazy and gluttonous mind around this reality and shut up and stay on a strict and effective weight loss diet.
MOOOO  OOOOOOVE that fat fatty!
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 03:40 pm |
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I agree with you there, at least nowadays
If you have a smartphone there are dozens of different apps that will store your calories.
I've talked about my Mio Heart rate watch- does the same thing, only it it counts the calories burned by exercise- which is really fun to see at the end of a workout!
In addition to my digital kitchen scale ( one of the most important diet tools I have) I occasionally use a pocket jewelry scale when I don't know what the portion is. Still haven't worked up the nerve to use it in front of others, though 
More than knowing calories, counting educates you, so you can make better choices.
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Nir
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 06:14 pm |
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In his book 'Eat To Live', Dr Fuhrman insists calorie counting is not required. Being an obsessive character, I counted anyhow for many years.
However there has been a big transformation in what I count. For instance, comparing the pieces of paper on which I jot down what I eat (prior to inputting into computer), in February just 7 months ago I was able to squeeze 4 days' worth of food on a single sheet of paper. Right now, however, the same size sheet holds 21 days' worth of eating - because I now only record a handful of calorie-dense choices (which make up approximately half my intake) the rest now goes uncounted.
I'll further challenge you to admit that you don't count calories yourself yet are able to maintain your weight. So presumably that means that you use a portion control method 
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 02:41 am |
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I don't count calories because I'm not on a weight loss diet. If I were losing weight I wuld be wise to count calories precisely.
Because I eat clean I don't have to count to maintain weight. Because I have eaten cleanly most of my life I don't need to count. I can eat instinctively. Gluttons can't eat instinctively and lose weight or maintain a healthy weight because their instnict is to be a glutton and they have more hunger and bad habits.
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naturalstamina
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 03:44 pm |
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Nir wrote:
In his book 'Eat To Live', Dr Fuhrman insists calorie counting is not required. Being an obsessive character, I counted anyhow for many years.
However there has been a big transformation in what I count. For instance, comparing the pieces of paper on which I jot down what I eat (prior to inputting into computer), in February just 7 months ago I was able to squeeze 4 days' worth of food on a single sheet of paper. Right now, however, the same size sheet holds 21 days' worth of eating - because I now only record a handful of calorie-dense choices (which make up approximately half my intake) the rest now goes uncounted.
I'll further challenge you to admit that you don't count calories yourself yet are able to maintain your weight. So presumably that means that you use a portion control method
Nir brings up a really good point here. I highly suggest people read into what he says about his recording the foods, thats a major and profound shift in watching not how much, but more importantly the KINDS of foods he is eating.
Now this might offend some of the vegans out there, but my goal isnt to leave you feeling good inside, its to tell you the truth about healthy weight management and healthy living. You want a combination of protein (from ideal sources, non-vegan mostly, although there are some), healthy complex carbs as well as smart carbs loaded with fiber. This is called macrobalance and its a cornerstone in Dr. Layman's work. I really emphasize however to now overlook the simplicity of the lifestyle.
Aside from the moral and or ethical reasons people choose not to eat meat, fish, eggs, milk, etc. There is no proof that a realistic 100% vegan diet can provide the healthy FAT LOSS and required levels of nutrient without causing bloating or enlargement of the stomach because of the pure volume of food that would need to pass through your body in order to receive adequate levels of nutrients. In fact, Dr. Layman and many other recognized academics are realizing that a proper vegan diet is highly unrealistic and theoretical at best in providing solid nutrition. This is not to say however that some people have had great results from their vegan diets, but the reason it does not work for those losing weight is because the numbers simply do not add up.
Simply counting calories leaves much room for error, and there are much more important factors to fat loss.
Theres a difference between weight loss and fat loss. Many people associate weight loss from water weight, fat loss, but you havent actually burned any real amount of fat, its just the water leaving your body and puts high levels of stress on your organs, that's why you see this yo-yo effect with diets.
The best and only way to achieve almost PURE FAT LOSS without loss of healthy lean body tissue and organs is metabolic correction. It's a term coined by Dr. Donald Layman. and if you are serious about losing fat, and being healthy permanently, i highly suggest you buy his book or find out about his system. If you need help finding either, i would be glad to point you in the right direction.
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 03:16 am |
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naturalstamina wrote: Nir wrote:
In his book 'Eat To Live', Dr Fuhrman insists calorie counting is not required. Being an obsessive character, I counted anyhow for many years.
However there has been a big transformation in what I count. For instance, comparing the pieces of paper on which I jot down what I eat (prior to inputting into computer), in February just 7 months ago I was able to squeeze 4 days' worth of food on a single sheet of paper. Right now, however, the same size sheet holds 21 days' worth of eating - because I now only record a handful of calorie-dense choices (which make up approximately half my intake) the rest now goes uncounted.
I'll further challenge you to admit that you don't count calories yourself yet are able to maintain your weight. So presumably that means that you use a portion control method
Nir brings up a really good point here. I highly suggest people read into what he says about his recording the foods, thats a major and profound shift in watching not how much, but more importantly the KINDS of foods he is eating.
Instead of creating a what did I eat list make a what I will never eat again list. Fuhrman got the nutrition right but not the behavioral stuff.
Now this might offend some of the vegans out there, but my goal isnt to leave you feeling good inside, its to tell you the truth about healthy weight management and healthy living. You want a combination of protein (from ideal sources, non-vegan mostly, although there are some), healthy complex carbs as well as smart carbs loaded with fiber. This is called macrobalance and its a cornerstone in Dr. Layman's work. I really emphasize however to now overlook the simplicity of the lifestyle.
These book sellers come up with some BS. macrobalance LOL! You did get one thing right and that is it is based on simplicity. As to vegans: What did one vegan say to the other vegan? ans.. I'm better that you.
Aside from the moral and or ethical reasons people choose not to eat meat, fish, eggs, milk, etc. There is no proof that a realistic 100% vegan diet can provide the healthy FAT LOSS and required levels of nutrient without causing bloating or enlargement of the stomach because of the pure volume of food that would need to pass through your body in order to receive adequate levels of nutrients. In fact, Dr. Layman and many other recognized academics are realizing that a proper vegan diet is highly unrealistic and theoretical at best in providing solid nutrition. This is not to say however that some people have had great results from their vegan diets, but the reason it does not work for those losing weight is because the numbers simply do not add up.
WRONG! First off a vegan diet can provide enough of the right proteins so it can provide healthy nutrition for healthy fat loss.
Your bloating theory is BS. Humans evolved to get most of their calories in the form plant based carbohydrates. In case you didn't know it, the small intestine is 25-30 feet long so that it can handle large volumes of food. Food does NOT pas through the body. Food goes through the digestive system. Layman is theoretical.
The 7th Day Adventists don't eat meat and they live long and healthy lives. The rural Chinese eat very little meat. I think Layman is a fraud.
Simply counting calories leaves much room for error, and there are much more important factors to fat loss.
Wrong again. You count the calories and the food needs to be wholesome a balanced. You make a lot of fact free declarations.
Theres a difference between weight loss and fat loss. Many people associate weight loss from water weight, fat loss, but you havent actually burned any real amount of fat, its just the water leaving your body and puts high levels of stress on your organs, that's why you see this yo-yo effect with diets.
OMG! STOP THE PRESSES! More fact free drivel! Where do you come up with this BS?
The best and only way to achieve almost PURE FAT LOSS without loss of healthy lean body tissue and organs is metabolic correction. It's a term coined by Dr. Donald Layman. and if you are serious about losing fat, and being healthy permanently, i highly suggest you buy his book or find out about his system. If you need help finding either, i would be glad to point you in the right direction.
First of it is impossible to achieve pure fat loss and again Layman is full if fecal matter.
If you are serious about losing weight and being healthy avoid Layman. He sounds like a shyster selling and unproven diet theory.
This guy is a spammer.
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naturalstamina
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 03:58 am |
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Wow, you got a lot of time on your hands to waste.
Im glad you can copy and paste
**claps**
I am aware of the guidelines of the forum, as its already been addressed in another post. i've since removed any thing that can be labeled as "spam" in the actual posts
It doesn't change the truth about "MC". LOL
Last edited on 4 Sep 2011 04:08 am by naturalstamina
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 04:05 am |
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naturalstamina wrote: wow, you got a lot of time on your hands to waste.
Im glad you can copy and paste
**claps**
i am aware of the guidelines of the forum, as its already been addressed in another post.
If we were face to face you'd be leaving in a coma.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 05:38 am |
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| I did weight watchers as a kid. I was the only one under 20 in a room full of women my mom's age. Those meetings were just so boring. I'm sure it's changed, and they finally have points apps so you don't have to carry around the stupid little books, but it seems to rely a lot on processed foods. I like to cook, and I don't trust processed foods so it's just not for me.
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