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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 06:12 pm |
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I will start by giving my views on what love is and isn't. For me love is a verb. It generally describes the positive selfless things we do for people we care about as well as our unselfish hopes for those people. Anything else is false love. I came to that conclusion when I thought about my wife and kids. My love for my wife is no different than the love I have for my kids. I want the best for them. I want them safe and I would take a bullet for them. That's love. Sometimes there is going to be conflict especially with kids. You can't always be their friend but you always have to be their parent and it's not always violins and roses.
Let's say we decided to take on a foster child who was raised wrong. I may have to kick his butt. I may have to parent him with a heavier hand. Let's say one of my kids had ADHD or was just a very spirited kids. I too may need to use a heavy hand.
Fat people are very often like spoiled brats. If you inherit a spoiled brat and if that spoiled brat is willful they can really mes things up. Children who are out of control because of weak and lazy parenting never develop self-control. They need a boot in the butt. If you try to appeal to their sense of righteousness it won't work because they are greedy selfish brats. They need to learn humility, temperance, prudence, diligence and charity. They can't learn that until somebody knocks the fattitude out of them.
The gentle approach is a lie and not only that it has failed. You can't have love without truth. When a diet company says, "diet failure is not your fault" they are lying.
When you hear some 300 fatling claim she only eat 900 calorie a day and you pretend to believe her you are a bigger liar than she is because she may be so full of fattitude that she's delusional. Salving her is not loving her. You are hurting her in the long run.
I'm not afraid to hurt people's feelings and challenge their BS.
Fat people eat too much. People who eat too much are called gluttons. When the stop eating to much the cease being gluttons and when they end their gluttony they lose weight and remain lean.
This fatling doesn't need a hug from Richard Simmons. She needs her jaws wired shut and her face slapped. Hugs and cheerleading has not worked. It's time to get tough and honest.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 07:01 pm |
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| For crying out loud, jaw wiring won't do anything. 3 trips to starbucks a day could easily add up tp 4500 calories a day and gaining weight.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 08:16 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: For crying out loud, jaw wiring won't do anything. 3 trips to starbucks a day could easily add up tp 4500 calories a day and gaining weight.
Your right. Sew their lips shut.
As a joke a proposed the FOOD MASK TM It's like the man in the iron mask.
Put them on a feeding schedule and open the mask after the key holder has their meal ready and why they are done eating lock the mask until their next feeding. If they complain too much zap em with a cattle prod. That'll shut em up.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 11:15 pm |
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| and what's going to keep them from regaining once they're out of the cell or the mask?
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 Aug 2011 04:47 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: and what's going to keep them from regaining once they're out of the cell or the mask?
Many things. The bamboo shoots under their finger nails. The water boarding. The attack dogs biting them.
The feeding schedule will reset their brains along with the fattitude adjustments.
They won't be wanting any steaky wakes and eggy weggs on long ticks of toast after they have been deprogrammed.
Every time they feel themselves slipping a few chorus of Singing in the Rain followed by Ludwig Von Beethoven's 9th symphony they will get them back on track
Seriously, if you think about it, a food mask is far more humane and safer than weight loss surgery. It won't destroy their digestive system. All it will destroy are their massive egos.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 23 Aug 2011 06:13 pm |
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LOL, I almost used that exact picture to start the treatment thread.
I think both your idea and the surgery are pretty close to the same thing -Forced intervention. The person doesn't have to have any motivation on their own. I think they'd just find another unhealthy way to deal with their anxiety, the way WLS patients have high rates of switching to alcoholism, shopping or gambling.
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JSABD
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Posted: 23 Aug 2011 06:52 pm |
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There is a drug in clinical trials that will mitigate most of the detrimental effects of obesity. http://medicalholocaust.blogspot.com/2011/08/srt-1720-promises-life-extension.html
Gluttony is moral failing in most cases so even eliminating the health consequences is just another way of enabling gluttons.
When my peep lose weight and reform they end up with a new lease on life. This also happens with some WLS patients because WLS is forced bulimia. Eventually eating loses its appeal because of the gastric distress, vomiting and dumping.
For those who accuse me of hating fatlings is that were true I would promote WLS. Gastric bypass kills 2.5 in 100. If every fatling in the US who qualified for gastric bypass got it there would be a holocaust. I fight the WLS industry and I advocate for fat people.
Here is the honest data on Gastric Bypass http://gastricbypasskills.blogspot.com/2011/07/mortality-and-complication-data-on.html
I have talked many fatlings out of getting it and these same fatlings who doctors had convinced that the only way to deal with their dietary habits was to have their digestive system destroyed have lost the weight.
Many of WLS patients are in denial but others really have a lot of courage to have WLS. It is a deadly procedure.
As to MichelleP and ChiMama, I would not wish gastric bypass in them. They probably lack and will always lack the psychological fortitude to do what you are doing for yourself and the one you love and I would recommend gastric banding for them with the highest level of restriction for when they blimp up to their sow potential.
You also know that I would take the time to put them both through the program as I did with you. What we did here was not the entire thing as it was for demonstration purposes. My door is open to you if you need my help later on down the road. IMO you are not a run of the mill glutton. You had more aggravating circumstances than the average run of the mill glutton. What tells me you are more than a run of the mill glutton is your honesty, courage, desire to change and consideration for your husband. I'm impressed with you woman!
Last edited on 23 Aug 2011 07:00 pm by JSABD
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 23 Aug 2011 07:27 pm |
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| I really don't understand gastric bypass, and I wonder how much research and thought that potential patients put into it before they go under the knife. It's basically an extreme fad diet enforced by physical pain/illness. The other part of the diet is a high protein / low everything else diet. I know from experience that kind of diet switches off the appetite, and I have to wonder if that's the main reason that it works. It seems almost masochistic to have it done. I used to joke that the only "bypass" I would do was speeding up the bike when passing a bakery. That agreement that someone posted should be a "sticky" for anyone consider having it !
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JSABD
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Posted: 24 Aug 2011 03:37 am |
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Ghastly bypass work through restriction and malabsorption. They butcher/surgeon reduces the size of the stomach and bypasses most of the small intestine. The victim cannot eat enough carbs and are forced to drink protein shakes. They also crave fat because fat is high in calories. That is how Carnie Wilson was able to get fat after her GBS. Even if she wanted to eat health foods like grains, fruits and vegetables she would not be able to get enough.
Carnie is a jerk and she's pretty messed up. She exudes fattitude and that is why she is still fat. She's a celebrity and like Charlie Sheen she is surrounded by yes men and women.
An ethical doctor would not do gastric bypass and one that did gastric banding would put their patients through a program like mine. People don't die from what I do but all forms of WLS do kill people. Gluttony kills them too.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 24 Aug 2011 03:57 am |
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You would not believe how common WLS is in my workplace. I'd estimate 20% of my coworkers have been through it.
I like protein shakes. They make an OK meal when it's too hot to eat "real food"Last edited on 24 Aug 2011 04:13 am by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 24 Aug 2011 04:41 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: You would not believe how common WLS is in my workplace. I'd estimate 20% of my coworkers have been through it.
I like protein shakes. They make an OK meal when it's too hot to eat "real food"
You may notice the smell of farts a lot in your office. Also WLS victims have bad breath and keto breath from all the protein.
How many have had gallbladder surgery? Usually more than a third need their gallbladders removed. Nearly all develop gallstones and 1/3 become symptomatic. They also have something doctor call bile reflux syndrome. They end up puking up bile.
Last edited on 24 Aug 2011 04:55 am by JSABD
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McBalls
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Posted: 24 Aug 2011 06:48 pm |
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The only time I think WLS is okay, is when it's one of those absolutely hopeless cases. The kind where the person is going to die very soon if they don't get help. The kind they need to bust a wall to get at. In those cases, it's okay. And I would hope, of course, that the cost is coming from their own pocket if the cause of their obesity is anything other than Prader-Willi or something like that. People should not be offered the easy way out just for being a glutton. In their case, it's merely a cosmetic problem, as they could easily fix themselves with a sensible diet and exercise.
#%@&!, most of these people could live their own version of happiness, eat what they want, and be chubby if they were fine with that. But there is no reason or excuse to let yourself become obese- especially if you're gonna turn around and whine about it. Some people really are fine with their size, and they just love food more than anything else in their life. If they are passionate about food, they should just say so. They could really take a page from Fat Bastard. Atleast he's honest.
The one's that whine about it, are the ones that need tough love. Their subconcious is crying out for it, otherwise they would not try to provoke the truth from others. Gluttons; you know the truth. It shouldn't take someone else to confirm it for you, but in many cases, it does. So, toughen up, or stay fat. It really is your choice.
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JSABD
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Posted: 24 Aug 2011 09:37 pm |
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All fat people are killing themselves with food. Some are just doing it faster than others. I know the food mask is a joke but would it not be more humane than WLS?
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nosugarlosefat
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Posted: 13 Mar 2013 02:14 am |
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I tried to view the Holocost link you provided and it said I had to be invited to view the blog. Do you know how to get invited or who the owner of the blog site is? It sounded intersting to me.
thanks
Debbie Stclaire
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JSABD
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Posted: 24 Mar 2013 07:32 pm |
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nosugarlosefat wrote: I tried to view the Holocost link you provided and it said I had to be invited to view the blog. Do you know how to get invited or who the owner of the blog site is? It sounded intersting to me.
thanks
Debbie Stclaire
We all know that there were no fat holocaust victim or survivors so when a greed and gluttonous fatling whines and says she barely eats let her know that!
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Mary T
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Posted: 31 May 2013 02:17 pm |
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Do you think "diets dont work" because its NOT the diet that is the problem, but its people who after a time cant handle the different eating, and they choose to eat food that will make them gain weight. Like i see some people who say they are on a diet, even AFTER weight loss surgery, and they are drinking soda pop and Macdonalds.
Also, I thought gluttony was eating too much volume of stuff, i.e. i might eat one donut and one cheese cracker and a sandwich in a day, which is not much food, but the fact that it is fattening, you would call that gluttony?
speaking of WLS, after all the people did to go thru that, ripping up their body and going thru the pain of recovery from stitches, and the small stomach or whatever they had done, and then regain all the weight? That is awful... to me that means that the surgery did not heal what is going on in their mind to make them feel they want to eat. hey if i listened to my body tell me I'm hungry, I would not be fat. but, i do eat when i am not hungry, because food looks delicious.
Well today I am starting to be more conscious of what I am putting in my mouth, and waiting till hungry, which I did at lunch. I just came to this website and the thing is - I think i could actually do this if I follow the suggestions here, mainly it seems like substituting healthier food for bad, and eating all the nutrion i need, but not indulging in the bad stuff. Good luck to me. ;)
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JSABD
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Posted: 6 Jul 2013 07:46 pm |
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Mary T wrote:
Do you think "diets dont work" because its NOT the diet that is the problem, but its people who after a time cant handle the different eating, and they choose to eat food that will make them gain weight.?é?á Like i see some people who say they are on a diet, even AFTER weight loss surgery, and they are drinking soda pop and Macdonalds.
Also, I thought gluttony was eating too much volume of stuff, i.e. i might eat one donut and one cheese cracker and a sandwich in a day,?é?áwhich is not much food, but the fact that it is fattening, you would call that gluttony?
speaking of WLS, after all the people did to go thru that, ripping up their body and going thru the pain of recovery from stitches, and the small stomach or whatever they had done, and then regain all the weight??é?á That is awful...?é?á to me that means that the surgery did not heal what is going on in their mind to make them feel they want to eat.?é?á hey if i listened to my body tell me I'm hungry, I would not be fat.?é?á but, i do eat when i am not hungry, because food looks delicious.
Well today I am starting to be more conscious of what I am putting in my mouth, and waiting till hungry, which I did at lunch.?é?á I just came to this website and the thing is - I think i could actually do this if I follow the suggestions here, mainly it seems like substituting healthier food for bad, and eating all the nutrion i need, but not indulging in the bad stuff.?é?á Good luck to me.?é?á ;)
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It's not a matter of luck but a matter of priorities. What's more important to you, your social responsibility, health and family or your food lust?
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Mary T
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Posted: 6 Jul 2013 11:36 pm |
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You are right!
And the answer is since i have been eating healthy is my health. that is more important than that box of fudge that i used to eat.
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