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Posted: 29 Aug 2011 02:29 pm |
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Just as long as I never have to watch Eyes Wide Shut ever again!
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JSABD
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Posted: 30 Aug 2011 02:31 pm |
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You'll be down 28+ pounds by Xmas.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 30 Aug 2011 02:38 pm |
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Thank heaven that Hub does the Christmas shopping, because I can't be trusted by myself at the mall  I think I switched preoccupations from sweets to shoes!
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 04:40 am |
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| The circuit's getting a bit easier- should I toss some sit-ups into the mix to tone up "the mess?"
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JSABD
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 12:31 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: The circuit's getting a bit easier- should I toss some sit-ups into the mix to tone up "the mess?"
Eventually it will become instinctive. Building your core is essential for good health so do crunches.
Crunches or sit ups don't slim they belly. Losing fat slims the belly. Check out other exercises for your abs too like side bends. Develop a routine and do it for a month or two and then vary it.
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 03:26 pm |
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| I'm not talking about the fat, really it's about the loose skin ( and fat) that's left over.
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JSABD
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 03:45 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: I'm not talking about the fat, really it's about the loose skin ( and fat) that's left over.
You are losing fat at the right pace but even still you may have sagging skin. I don't know if there are any non surgical methods I don't know what they are. If you can find something that seems credible please post it.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 04:08 pm |
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| Well the plan is to get down to 114, and then start building muscle. I know Suenos said it was brutal and she wouldn't do it again, but if it saves me from going under the knife, what have I got to lose? I just hope my family and hub don't panic.
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JSABD
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 05:06 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Well the plan is to get down to 114, and then start building muscle. I know Suenos said it was brutal and she wouldn't do it again, but if it saves me from going under the knife, what have I got to lose? I just hope my family and hub don't panic.
There's a better way.
If you want to build muscle start now. You have to overeat to built muscle and it requires a lot of carbs.
Get scale that measures body fat % keep your body weight above 10%. Don't pick number on a scale. If your waist is small and your body fat % is in a good range you have reached your goal. The next thing if you want to do is optimal health and fitness.
Get so you can do pull ups and run a quick mile.
You may not be genetically predisposed to weight 114. Your body lean/fat% will determine the best weight for you.
I really don't want to coach body building here so all I will say is that you have to eat a lot and lift heavy with low reps. Generally the rule is heavy squats and deadlifts once or twice a week and by heavy I mean so much weight that you can barely do 6 reps. WARNING! heavy squats and deadlifts can be very dangerous. Then twice a week you do heavy bent barbell roes, bench presses and military presses. That's about it. I don't reccomend it but if you do find a really good trainer.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 1 Sep 2011 05:27 pm |
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| Let me get into a comfortable range of BMI normal before I start overeating, ok? I'm still obese and barely able to complete one circuit. I'll up the weights as much as I can without being too sore to do it again the next day. Never thought I'd like using that little gym this much, must be having it all to myself!
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 02:56 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: Let me get into a comfortable range of BMI normal before I start overeating, ok? I'm still obese and barely able to complete one circuit. I'll up the weights as much as I can without being too sore to do it again the next day. Never thought I'd like using that little gym this much, must be having it all to myself!
You are already over eating because you are cutting down incrementally.
Also women don't gain muscle easily. You probably have plenty of leg muscle already. Just tone it.
After you reach your ideal weight which will probably be more than 114 you will have about another year before the biological gluttony ends. IMO it would be unwise to reach your goal and then start over fueling.
See how strong you are getting. How much can you bench press now with dumbells? Find out the heaviest with you can press 2 or 3 times. Keep doing your circuit and then see how much you can press in a month or two. If you are getting stronger you are increasing muscle.
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 05:47 am |
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| The way I see it once I get to normal weight and a good body fat percentage , the lowest end of the healthy BMI is just a long range target. If I spend the rest of my life trying to get from 130 to 115, I'm exercising ( which I enjoy doing) and living a calorie restricted lifestyle, so I don't see much in the way of drawbacks.
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 04:32 pm |
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hello tankgirl, congratulations on your results!
I looked at your daily food intake, was that theoretical or actually represents what you are eating on a daily basis?
I can tell that you have the right idea, but a few minor changes can really improve your progress of getting "to normal weight and a good body fat percentage"
Although that is great advice given by JS to build muscle, there are a few things that might help you get there faster. Lifting heavy is a great way to increase lean muscle mass and literally turn your body into a fat burning machine. However, it takes a steady workout progression to get to that point.
The biggest difference maker in my opinion is H.I.I.T. exercise. This also takes time to build up to. its something you can do almost anywhere and can even be incorporated into your lifting routine for quick results. hiit an exercise that pushed your body into the phosphate system, and its proven to burn fat.
Also for many women, because most women have not doing any sort of weight training in the past, and their goals are not to be body builders, a workout routine involving high weight and higher reps in the range of 12-15, especially for the lower body.
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 06:09 pm |
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It's fairly close to what I eat every day. I may sneak a few extra berries here and there, or forget to enter in my soup and/or salad at the end of the day, but I'm more careful about entering in higher calorie items. I admit some days it's not good, but some days I just don't have time to prepare much, or I'm out of key foods and have to make do with what I have in the house.
When it come to exercise, I sprint on either the bicycle or elliptical when a good song come on my internet radio, and try to stay at that level of intensity until it ends. Not very precise, but a lot of fun! Out of 25 min on the elliptical I spend about 10 minutes sprinting. no clue on how much time I spend on the bicycle doing it, since it depends on how much traffic I'm dealing with.Last edited on 3 Sep 2011 06:53 pm by Tankgirl
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 07:50 pm |
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I can certainly relate to your situation, It was not long i had to sacrifice certain food items for others to fit my budget.
As far as calculations go, there is no need to kill yourself over it, in fact you are already doing much more than the typical person that is serious about losing weight. I commend you for that.
Things you might consider... berries, soups and salads, can be beneficial or detrimental to burning fat depending on how much you eat and whats in the soup or salads. So its not bad that you eat them, but little changes can make it much more beneficial for you.
As many people already know a salad can be great at providing high fiber and nutrient dense foods (substituting a spring mix instead of lettuce can make a significant difference in keeping water weight healthy. also a all-natural dressing is highly underestimated. real foods and no preservatives which i can go into a whole different discussion about the seriousness in avoiding those products.
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My New Favorite Salad Dressing! + its healthy!
This is great for replacement for any traditional salad dressing that i came up with. Its a great way to eat natural, healthy, includes lots of vit C, fiber, and heathy fats. Store bought salad dressing have lots of bad fats, preservatives and additives.
Apple Salad Dressing (i prefer using granny smith apples, more tart, and turns out better!)
1 apple
1 lemon (can add up to 2 for more tart)
1 teaspoon honey
1-2 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
Peach Salad Dressing (same basic recipe as apple version, just sweeter)
1 peach
1 lemon (can add up to 2 for more tart)
1 teaspoon honey
1-2 tablespoon extra virgin olive oil
Instructions:
1. Remove skin from fruit, put in mini food processor or use immersion blender
2. add lemon juice and honey to the fruit and blend away! (it may look a little chunky, do not worry)
3. remove from blender, stir in extra virgin olive oil
Variations:
- I sometimes like to spice things up by adding cayenne pepper to dressing, it gives it nice kick
- I'll sometimes add a little slice of Onion OR garlic, never both, its too overpowering, but is a great way to give the dressing more depth and flavor!
PS. I'd love to hear any of your natural and healthy recipes if you got any to share, I love trying new foods and recipes!
Here is the link to the above recipe - facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150355906660751
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Another important concept, that can be easily changed is to think of your body like a hourglass. your body can only process a certain amount of protein in a given interval. As a rule of thumb, you can equate a steady, yet optimal rate of protein consumption with the HIGHEST levels of fat-burning, pure fat loss, while preserving your muscles, and in effect causing a synergistic momentum of weight loss through burning fat and being healthy.
So for example. using 30 grams of protein as a maximum every 3 hour period from the point you wake up until the point you get to bed to schedule and plan your meals accordingly to evenly distribute your protein throughout the day, and then portion your carbs and fibers to match your steady protein intake. In most cases, our bodies have learned to depend on glucose levels to indicate hunger, and may be why you are eating berries, its a great start, but will help you a lot more in the long run to understand why this is happening.
As far as the exercise goes, I think you definitely have the right mindset and attitude about it! and so you have already won half the battle! And as far as sprinting 10 minutes out of 25 is a GREAT place to be, however you will get much better results by making a simple switch, and it will probably even make it easier for you to do.
Next time. Try a slight variation to make it a true H.I.I.T. exercise, but first i must caution this is extremely effective but also as important is your diet, as you will be putting your body in overdrive.
Start by warming up for three minutes at a steady pace, After the 3 minutes, go into a full sprint for 20 seconds giving it all you got (the key here is to get each sprint your all - Your body's energy system will tap into its phosphate system and be drained out in 20 seconds, hence the interval) and immediately go back to a steady pace, until your heart rate drops to a comfortable level (about the rate in which you are comfortable talking normally) As soon as you get there, do another 20 sec sprint. Continue this program until you have reached 20 minutes or total muscle failure.
To put this into perspective, i was a top competitive swimmer my childhood, swimming 2 hours 2 times a day was no problem, after college and a few years off, I was unable to finish my whole 20 minutes, in fact i dont think i got past 12 minutes my first time, and i was taking lots of rest in between. Do not beat yourself up about how you do the firs ttime, just remember what you did, and slowly try to increase your overall time to the full 20 minutes and your recovery rate which will decrease your "steady portion"
although it is not completely necessary, a heart rate monitor comes in handy and i must stress that due to the intensity of this program a high protein diet, consistently portioned throughout the day is of key importance!
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 08:46 pm |
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The reason I tend to eat most of my protein in my mid-day meal is because I've noticed it doesn't have time to .. ahem "leave" before I hop on the scale in the morning>it just makes things too frustrating because I've noticed even with as much fiber/veg as I can cram in , since I dropped to a lower amount of fat I have to to be careful or , well you know (sheesh, I sound like my grandmother!)
plus my last meal is very late 12 am- 1 am so it just makes more sense to keep it to fruit and veg. As far as dressing, I make my own, too.
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naturalstamina
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 09:33 pm |
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I see you have other reasons, NOT RELATED TO FAT BURNING and WEIGHT LOSS for choosing your habits and that is perfectly fine.
I don't expect everyone to just pick up everything that i am saying, however my purpose is twofold, to respond to your question and give you something that is proven to work, and the reasons why, and others will see the information and find i tuseful as well.
as far as your choice to eat protein midday, if it works for you, great, i've noticed that the PROPER intake of proteins in the morning and through the day, helps me to *release any old weight*
and also about your night eating of fruits, if thats what you prefer, again you are doing it for reasons other than weight loss, more power to you. but personally if i was serious about weight loss and wanted optimal results, i would replace or add protein, but you're right on the money by avoiding any starchy or complex carbs. bananas and watermelon are a no-no
and i only say this because it is the tough love forum..
the longer between your protein intake, the longer your fasting periods, the slower your metabolism, again if you choose to break certain parts of the cycle, youcan still get results, but as i've found with weight loss and many other things in life, its much easier to focus and get it done right and quickly and slowly because simply people lose motivation and drive, if thats not an issue for you however, more power to you!Last edited on 3 Sep 2011 09:35 pm by naturalstamina
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Nir
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 10:53 pm |
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...and the slower your metabolism, the longer your life (ala Dr Joel Fuhrman and C.R.O.N.).
oops, a little at odds with naturalstamina
(ps the only safe way to increase metabolism is with exercise)
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 11:05 pm |
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naturalstamina wrote: hello tankgirl, congratulations on your results!
I looked at your daily food intake, was that theoretical or actually represents what you are eating on a daily basis?
I can tell that you have the right idea, but a few minor changes can really improve your progress of getting "to normal weight and a good body fat percentage"
Although that is great advice given by JS to build muscle, there are a few things that might help you get there faster. Lifting heavy is a great way to increase lean muscle mass and literally turn your body into a fat burning machine. However, it takes a steady workout progression to get to that point.
Tank, if you want to know how to gain muscle read read Joe Wieder's books. He's the Master Blaster. He's the best! Muscle mass especially in a woman does not boost BMR significantly. Toned muscle cell have more mitochondia and use glucose better.
The biggest difference maker in my opinion is H.I.I.T. exercise. This also takes time to build up to. its something you can do almost anywhere and can even be incorporated into your lifting routine for quick results. hiit an exercise that pushed your body into the phosphate system, and its proven to burn fat.
My suggestion is you do PHA workouts. You will build muscle and you will get fit. Gaining muscle has a lot to do with genetics. If you don't have the genes then anabolic steroids is the best alternative but they have risks. Then there is testosterone and human growth hormone. Test has risks and HGH is hard to get.
If you look at the biggest body buliders like Lou, Arnold and Lee Haney they squated heavy at like pigs and injected the juice.
Also for many women, because most women have not doing any sort of weight training in the past, and their goals are not to be body builders, a workout routine involving high weight and higher reps in the range of 12-15, especially for the lower body.
NO NO NO 12 reps is moderate and you go to failure or 90% to failure.
Squats maybe 12 total in 3 sets but I don't advise it for anyone. I know too many people who got hurt.
A PHA workout is the ticket for anyone who want to be fit and strong. Eat clean and train like a Trojan.
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Posted: 3 Sep 2011 11:40 pm |
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There are times when I'm in a hurry to get to a particular weight. I probbably will be when I start to get near 180 because I'll be sooo close to out of obese! However, I generally like to get it a little slower since I'm already starting to see loose skin and I want to do anything possible to avoid surgery.
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 12:20 am |
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@ Nir, i'd like you to provide any series of doctors that agree, even to that are credible and reliable on the international medical level that can verify your statement implying that people with a slow metabolism live longer than those that don't? Another clinical trial and something you probably read from some doctor writing research financed by a company or with his own financial gain in mind, because that is laughable at the least.
@JSABD You are making my wonder if i should retract my other post giving you any credit about your knowledge in weight loss. Im sure you feel good about yourself putting these other people down. I don't know if your intention of giving wrong information is to keep them fat so you feel better about yourself or you are just making a simple mistake, we've all made before. More importantly though, i agree with your advice to a certain degree in the lifting but only as it applied to men. pha workouts are good. but really needs an hour to get the most out a workout like that. However women, on the majority from what I've experience and seen and heard from top professionals and olympic athletes is that the trainings are simply different. Even within that group, different body types respond better to different exercises, as I'm sure you already know.
This is the internet, but there are other real people that do read what you say. You really should research but there are differences for every person.
Just for fun: Look up some of the top body builders leg workouts, they easily go 15-20+ easy during certain parts of their training seasons and routines. (ronnie coleman, half the other body builders out there)
It really is important to know what you are talking about completely. Last edited on 4 Sep 2011 12:30 am by naturalstamina
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 02:08 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: There are times when I'm in a hurry to get to a particular weight. I probbably will be when I start to get near 180 because I'll be sooo close to out of obese! However, I generally like to get it a little slower since I'm already starting to see loose skin and I want to do anything possible to avoid surgery.
Don't rush the process. Things take time.
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 02:33 am |
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naturalstamina wrote: @ Nir, i'd like you to provide any series of doctors that agree, even to that are credible and reliable on the international medical level that can verify your statement implying that people with a slow metabolism live longer than those that don't? Another clinical trial and something you probably read from some doctor writing research financed by a company or with his own financial gain in mind, because that is laughable at the least.
@JSABD You are making my wonder if i should retract my other post giving you any credit about your knowledge in weight loss. Im sure you feel good about yourself putting these other people down. I don't know if your intention of giving wrong information is to keep them fat so you feel better about yourself or you are just making a simple mistake, we've all made before. More importantly though, i agree with your advice to a certain degree in the lifting but only as it applied to men. pha workouts are good. but really needs an hour to get the most out a workout like that. However women, on the majority from what I've experience and seen and heard from top professionals and olympic athletes is that the trainings are simply different. Even within that group, different body types respond better to different exercises, as I'm sure you already know.
The fact is people who use my method lose weight and get healthy and stay healthy and lean.
I was a body builder and very good at it. Personally I don't think you know much. You think you know but you don't. I know how to build muscle and I know that works. I did what Joe Weider said to do when I first started and it worked. It works for everyone regardless of body type. I know how to gain muscle, power and endurance and I know how to cut and look big. I know the tricks but I don't think they are healthy so I no longer do them. IMO body building is a BS sport.
This is the internet, but there are other real people that do read what you say. You really should research but there are differences for every person.
Minor and insignificant differences and again you are full of BS. I have forgotten more than you know.
Just for fun: Look up some of the top body builders leg workouts, they easily go 15-20+ easy during certain parts of their training seasons and routines. (ronnie coleman, half the other body builders out there)
I have/had a book with all the routines these guys do and how many reps some one does depends on many things such as what they are trying to do and the parts they are training. Again, you are clueless and it shows. For building muscle there aare only a few moves that work. Can you tell me what they are? You will have to look it up. The fact is a person can get really big with 6 moves. Can you tell us what they are? Hint: They can all be done with Barbells and Dumbells. Look it up and learn.
It really is important to know what you are talking about completely.
I agree and right not you don't know WTF you are talking about. If I wanted to I could train people like a personal trainer but people can count their own reps. Once a person have good form most don't need a trainer and most people can develop good form by looking in the mirror.
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You are clearly confused, i am not denying the fact that you know what have worked well for you. the cron diet is great, and its the "best you know" however its ignorant to say that you know the best of everything, I am not however claiming that either, but i just haven't seen better than MC.
If you know of any better, id certainly like to hear about it.
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 04:36 am |
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naturalstamina wrote: You are clearly confused, i am not denying the fact that you know what have worked well for you. the cron diet is great, and its the "best you know" however its ignorant to say that you know the best of everything, I am not however claiming that either, but i just haven't seen better than MC.
If you know of any better, id certainly like to hear about it.
You are here selling a stupid book by a quack.
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Here's my dressing recipe. I even carry this around in my purse, LOL
?é?¢ tsp Lee and Perrin?óÔé¼Ôäós 2.5 1.6
30g Artichoke Lemon Pesto 60/2
2 oz Greek yogurt 40/2.25
1 tsp garlic
30 g jarred grilled zucchini 30
30g jarred marinated artichoke 45
1 Tbs balsamic vinegar
?é?¢ cup white vinegar 16/4
blend
makes about 10 servings , about 20 calories , 1g carb
Right now I'm experimenting with green drinks in the morning: spinach, cucumber, tomato, berries, lemon fish oil (tastes much better than it sounds) and a multivitamin drink packet. I used to eat 2 eggs every morning but It's kind of hot right now.
I thought fruit was OK after a workout? I'm usually just getting off the bike at midnight and not going to sleep until about 3 AM, and that's right after I do my weights and elliptical workout.
It's not so much the expense, it's just the fact that there's things I like I can only get a certain places. I like Trader Joe's products but they're at the top of a fairly big climb - and I'm usually still sore from the previous night's work out, so I keep putting that trip off.Last edited on 4 Sep 2011 05:48 am by Tankgirl
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 11:09 am |
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@tankgirl - I notice that you count calories and carbs. If there had to be one something on which JSABD, naturalstamina and I all agree on (leaving Dr Fuhrman friendless in the opposite corner, oh dear) is adequate protein. This would be why my main issue transitioning to Eat To Live was letting go of the 'lean' animal products I was using for protein. Eat To Live can provide enough protein for exercising athletes and body builders eating at maintenance or surplus but arguably it does not even meet the World Health Organisation's minimum requirement for protein (0.36g/lb) never mind a slightly higher amount ideal to be "protein sparing" when at a caloric deficit. Dr Fuhrman admits his diet correctly followed only provides 30-40 grams of protein per 1000 calories which is no issue for me.
And why am I moved to mention all of this? because back in the day when I was counting calories on scraps of paper (before I developed my own software), I would only keep track of calories and protein (much like you keep track of calories and carbs).
Mind you, as you are coming into this from a low-carb background and are minding your carbs, you are presumably getting enough protein, even if it isn't necessarily spread out evenly throughout th e day
@naturalstamina
any series of doctors that agree, even to that are credible and reliable on the international medical level that can verify your statement implying that people with a slow metabolism live longer than those that don't?
That would be pretty much all the scientific literature about Calorie Restriction (in the literature sometimes referred to as DR dietary restriction). Peer-reviewed and all that jazz. If you'd like to learn more http://calorierestriction.org/ Obviously the only whole-of-life research is with animals (they have shorter lifespans) but human research (which monitors health markers) is also available. Caloric Restriction works and caloric restriction happens to slow down your metabolism but there will probably only be an association rather than a causation between the slowed-down metabolism and longer life. A slowed-down metabolism from a thyroid condition will not improve longevity, obviously. Exercise is a healthy way to boost your metabolism which does not shorten lifespan (though only up to a point, because exercise does increase free radicals). Do let me know if you are eager to research this but are not sure where to start.
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 12:34 pm |
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wow, the ignorance is amazing, and its started to get boring.
@JS research Donald Layman and he is a quack? and let me guess, you also believe 2+2=3?
do your research before you embarass yourself. There hasnt been another publication with this much research and credibility.
I dont get why the truth is so hurtful to you either. humility goes a long way, if you havent seen something before, maybe you should take the time to know what it is you are talking about.
@Nir, i am not sayin the the information is not out there to support it. like i mentioned before, you are hard pressed to find one that compares it to a healthy diet. I am not sure you are aware, there is the longest running clinical trial behind what i am saying, there are many times in science where one study completely negates others. It doesnt mean both are right, just that one study had a bias or what incomplete..
Lets start to provide facts and not opinion, please no cry wither JS. i have no intention or reason i need t defend the truth!
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 12:35 pm |
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http://biggerfatterblog.blogspot.com/2011/08/oink-oink-oink-fatlings-can-now-live-as.html
This is a bit off topic but they are now testing drugs for fat people that mitigate some of the damages of their gluttony. The drugs mimic calorie restriction and extend the life span of obese mice by 30%.
I see this as just another way of enabling gluttony.
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Nir
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Posted: 4 Sep 2011 01:05 pm |
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naturalstamina wrote:
there is the longest running clinical trial behind what i am saying
Can you link to the PUBMED for the paper you are referring to
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JSABD wrote:
Because this is for demonstration purposes you can answer the following questions with real numbers or any numbers.
Age? 36
Gender? F
Height? 5'9
Weight? 200
What are your reasons for losing weight?
I'm embarassed & ashamed of how I let myself go. I am ashamed & mortified about breathing harder say, if I take the stairs up a few flights. I'm sick of buying clothes in sizes I said I would never get to. I hate being photographed and avoid pictures- its like the last 10 years I didn't exist. I no longer get any whistles on the street, and I never want the day to come where somebody would describe me as "she has a pretty face!" or "she's got a great personality". Those 2 sentences scare me more than anything else. Vain, but you wanted the truth.
On a scale of 1 - 10 how much effort do you plan on putting forth to lose weight and regain your good health?
On a good day, 10 . On a typical day, more like a 7.
On a scale of 1 - 10 how difficult do you think it will be for you to reach your goal? 10.
What is your theory as to why you are over weight?
I'm sure I screwed up my body pretty good being bulimic in my early 20's, I'm positive that's factored somewhere in there. I love to eat. I love to cook, buy beautiful cookbooks, stretch my culinary skills by making complicated things. I love sitting around a table with good friends, some great wine and enjoying an evening. I love growing things in my garden to cook with. I even enjoy grocery shopping. I love bread especially and I have a sweet tooth. I am a glutton. I lack self-control obviously.
What is your theory as top why most people are overweight?
They eat garbage food, they eat like its a recreational sport in itself, they eat portion sizes that are too large, they have pity for themselves & make excuses to why they don't change.... Jeebus.... I think I see where you are going with this... I just described myself. Gulp!
This is phase one. This works best when done in writing. The reasons this is so is complex and has to do with how our brains function.
We will speed up the process for demonstration purposes but it takes time for this to sink in on a deep level. So I would suggest anyone using this method do it via email and don't rush it.
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naturalstamina wrote: wow, the ignorance is amazing, and its started to get boring.
@JS research Donald Layman and he is a quack? and let me guess, you also believe 2+2=3?
do your research before you embarass yourself. There hasnt been another publication with this much research and credibility.
I dont get why the truth is so hurtful to you either. humility goes a long way, if you havent seen something before, maybe you should take the time to know what it is you are talking about.
@Nir, i am not sayin the the information is not out there to support it. like i mentioned before, you are hard pressed to find one that compares it to a healthy diet. I am not sure you are aware, there is the longest running clinical trial behind what i am saying, there are many times in science where one study completely negates others. It doesnt mean both are right, just that one study had a bias or what incomplete..
Lets start to provide facts and not opinion, please no cry wither JS. i have no intention or reason i need t defend the truth!
I knew you were a spammer for Qivana Metaboliq Lifestyle pyramid scam.
Layman is selling a protein shake. It contains, whey egg white and some sugar, chia seed powder and some other common ingredient. It's a scam. You can get the same thing at Walmart. The guy should be in jail for false advertising.
Layman's is a fraud. His work is not peer reviewed. He's a diet industry shyster who exploits the ignorance and fattitude of fat people just like Atkins.
If you go to their website they don't list the ingredients because it is nothing special.
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@Nir, I don't count carbs as much as I used to but I still calculate it in some recipes in case I go back to it, since it worked very well for me.If I stop losing weight it would be the first thing besides calories that I take a closer look at. Frankly once winter hits, I'll probably have to cut back on the fruit and sweet potatoes.
@ Js I don't think I could ever get into body-building as a sport, but I've noticed the increased strength is definitely helping the bicycling. There'res other sports I'd like to get into as the weight comes off so it's more of a base for me.
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Posted: 6 Sep 2011 08:26 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: @Nir, I don't count carbs as much as I used to but I still calculate it in some recipes in case I go back to it, since it worked very well for me.If I stop losing weight it would be the first thing besides calories that I take a closer look at. Frankly once winter hits, I'll probably have to cut back on the fruit and sweet potatoes.
@ Js I don't think I could ever get into body-building as a sport, but I've noticed the increased strength is definitely helping the bicycling. There'res other sports I'd like to get into as the weight comes off so it's more of a base for me.
Keep in mind that as you lighten the load pedaling will get easier.
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It's the squats. They really help on climbs!
Lol lighten the load? not likely. what I lose on my backside I'll make up in cargo carrying- there are some grocery runs that it's so loaded I have to have help getting it up the step into the apartment!
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Posted: 7 Sep 2011 02:49 pm |
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Still 197.
Calories have been under 1900 all week.
now what?
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Posted: 7 Sep 2011 04:20 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Still 197.
Calories have been under 1900 all week.
now what?
It'd probably water or you are not counting accurately. Lean Cuisine, Subway and Progresso soups @ 1900 for 2 weeks.
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| Those brands exactly? If so, why?
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Posted: 8 Sep 2011 08:57 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Those brands exactly? If so, why?
Those or similar brands that have calorie content listed... Healthy Choice, Dr McDougal, Campbell's Chunky, Subway subs.....
Weigh in once a week in the AM.
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Ok, will do.
If there such a thing as a good time to live off processed convenience carp, this would be it. Our fridge is about to completely give up the freon ghost, and I have no idea when the management company will take care of it. This could actually be fun - a 2 week carb-fest, compared to what I've been eating the last year.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2011 02:28 am |
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Fat burns in the flame of carbohydrate.
Make sure your scale is accurate.
Low carb doesn't work. It didn't work in the 70"s and it doesn't work now.
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Sheesh...are we really going to go there again? 100+ pounds proves otherwise.
Though I'd have to agree with you on one thing.
It won't work if someone plans on going back to their pre-diet lifestyle. Except for this experiment, I don't.
Since carbs are needed to burn fat, how many are really needed? Last edited on 10 Sep 2011 05:54 am by Tankgirl
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Posted: 10 Sep 2011 08:24 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: Sheesh...are we really going to go there again? 100+ pounds proves otherwise.
Though I'd have to agree with you on one thing.
It won't work if someone plans on going back to their pre-diet lifestyle. Except for this experiment, I don't.
Since carbs are needed to burn fat, how many are really needed?
You are completely correct Tankwoman, and 100 pounds lost does prove it. Low carbs has always been the best way for me to lose fat.
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Tankgirl wrote: Sheesh...are we really going to go there again? 100+ pounds proves otherwise.
Though I'd have to agree with you on one thing.
It won't work if someone plans on going back to their pre-diet lifestyle. Except for this experiment, I don't.
Since carbs are needed to burn fat, how many are really needed?
I'm just going to give you the facts. The people with the lowest obesity rates and the best healthy are the rural Chinese, 7th Day Adventists and the Amish. They all eat a diet high in plant based carbohydrates.
Can you lose weight on Atkins eating the same amount of calories? Yes, but it is unhealthy.
Eat at your BMR and get 60 - 70% from plant based carbs.
There are only a few explanations for why you have been at 197.
1. Your scale is not accurate.
2. Your calorie counting was not accurate
3. You are retaining water. A gallon of water is 8.33 pounds at 70F
At your weight, in heat alone your body is using over 2000 a day. Heat and energy are the same thing in that they are mutually convertible.
Here is another thing you can do. Weigh yourself. Eat the way you are eating. Go to a gym that has a elliptical machine. Set it at your weight and crank out 3500 calories. It's very difficult if you are not in shape. If you don't lose at least 1 pound. (You'll lose about 3 is you don't drink water) Then contact MIT because your body holds the secret to the holy grail of free energy.
It's probably water weight. Your 197 weight may have been when you were slightly dehydrated. Women tend to retain water more than men. If you were a quart low on water that's 2 pounds. So your weight was 2 pounds less than it should have been. You may now be retaining water. So your weight may be 2 pounds higher.
Your actual weight at 197 may have been 199. Your weight now at 197 may be 195.
Don't panic but stop the low carb nonsense. Stay with the plan.
This could be a combination of all the factor I listed.
Cheap scales are inaccurate. You can get good scales at Bed Bath & Beyond that measure hydration and body weight %. I think they are a good idea for dieters.
If you are doing low carb counting calories is tougher because as you know a gram of fat contain 9 calories. I hate the word plateau but you will read it a lot on a low carb site and here is why. The weight loss on low carb is rapid at first. That is because it is glycogen from the liver. Glycogen is the storage form of glucose and it is mostly water. When you lose water you get thirsty and drink water
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You missed one other reason. I don't want to go into the unpleasant details but let's just say too much fiber too soon can be very uncomfortable and leave it at that.
If you are doing low carb counting calories is tougher because as you know a gram of fat contain 9 calories.
Maybe once you first add calorie counting in there are fatty things that offer little to no nutrition that a lot of low carbers consume a lot of without thinking of the calories (ranch dressing mayo, fatty cuts of pork) Once they're eliminated, it's fairly easy. I also suggest that they get too stuck in the "calories don't count mindset" and simply eat too many out of habit, emotions, whatever.
We could keep going on this forever and not see eye to eye, I know. But I still say that eliminating sugar and at least for me, grain from my diet, turns off my appetite. You've said it yourself that protein does this. This was my solution to what many dieters have wanted all along- to not be hungry all the time and be able to focus on other things.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2011 03:58 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: Tankgirl wrote: Sheesh...are we really going to go there again? 100+ pounds proves otherwise.
Though I'd have to agree with you on one thing.
It won't work if someone plans on going back to their pre-diet lifestyle. Except for this experiment, I don't.
Since carbs are needed to burn fat, how many are really needed?
You are completely correct Tankwoman, and 100 pounds lost does prove it. Low carbs has always been the best way for me to lose fat.
And you are still fat so and have a a weight problem so why are you giving advice.
Asking a fatling how to lose weight is like asking a smoker how to quit smoking.
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Posted: 11 Sep 2011 12:56 pm |
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JSABD wrote: MichelleP wrote: Tankgirl wrote: Sheesh...are we really going to go there again? 100+ pounds proves otherwise.
Though I'd have to agree with you on one thing.
It won't work if someone plans on going back to their pre-diet lifestyle. Except for this experiment, I don't.
Since carbs are needed to burn fat, how many are really needed?
You are completely correct Tankwoman, and 100 pounds lost does prove it. Low carbs has always been the best way for me to lose fat.
And you are still fat so and have a a weight problem so why are you giving advice.
Asking a fatling how to lose weight is like asking a smoker how to quit smoking.
Read the post JS, I did not give advice, I was agreeing with what she said. Sheesh..
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Posted: 12 Sep 2011 02:14 pm |
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194 whew.
even more good news- fridge is fixed today,carb heck averted!
Just for the sake of clarity- carb heck = processed sugars and grains. I don't digest grains well, and sugar just throws me for a loop. Carbs in fruit/veg are a totally different thing.We did talk about sweet potatoes, after all.
Like I've said a few times, what's the harm in replacing grains with veggies? is there something so nutritious in pasta, white flour, and white rice that I'm missing out on?Last edited on 12 Sep 2011 06:44 pm by Tankgirl
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Posted: 13 Sep 2011 01:34 am |
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Have faith. The laws if physics are imuttable.
Eat healthy carbs. Whole grains are best.
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Posted: 13 Sep 2011 05:18 am |
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| I would say beans and starchy vegetables beat whole-grains as healthy carbs.
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