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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 02:01 am |
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| Well, JS has offered a free run of "the treatment" , advising that this would help me help the people I care about that are struggling to lose weight. That and plain old curiosity have me willing to do this- so fire away, JS. Attached Image (viewed 762 times):
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 03:26 pm |
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Because this is for demonstration purposes you can answer the following questions with real numbers or any numbers.
Age?
Gender?
Height?
Weight?
What are your reasons for losing weight?
On a scale of 1 - 10 how much effort do you plan on putting forth to lose weight and regain your good health?
On a scale of 1 - 10 how difficult do you think it will be for you to reach your goal?
What is your theory as to why you are over weight?
What is your theory as top why most people are overweight?
This is phase one. This works best when done in writing. The reasons this is so is complex and has to do with how our brains function.
We will speed up the process for demonstration purposes but it takes time for this to sink in on a deep level. So I would suggest anyone using this method do it via email and don't rush it.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 04:21 pm |
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Age 34
Gender f
Height 5 foot 6
Weight 202
What are your reasons for losing weight?
Wow - there must be about 200+ reasons by now. The relatives you've heard of. I also realized that I have one grandparent out of 4 that lived to be over 100. She's not healthy or happy. So there's a chance I could live to be that age.I still have the rest of my life to be healthier, because the alternative is horrifying.
I know you're big on altruistic reasons, but every altruistic reason I can think of, I wind up benefiting, so it's not so pure.
On a scale of 1 - 10 how much effort do you plan on putting forth to lose weight and regain your good health?
On the average, about a 6. If I plan ahead it's not that hard. One good afternoon of cooking/ prep means the rest of the week is a breeze.
On a scale of 1 - 10 how difficult do you think it will be for you to reach your goal?
I honestly have no idea - I've heard the lower the weight the harder it is to get to and maintain. Also once I get there I'll want to have a new goal anyway.
What is your theory as to why you are over weight?
Ignorance and gluttony. That and trying to lose weight by methods that didn't work for me.
What is your theory as top why most people are overweight?
80% of the food available in the states is pure garbage. Look at your average grocery store. It's next to impossible to stay under a calorie allowance on processed trash.
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 05:35 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Age 34
Gender f
Height 5 foot 6
Weight 202
What are your reasons for losing weight?
Wow - there must be about 200+ reasons by now. The relatives you've heard of. I also realized that I have one grandparent out of 4 that lived to be over 100. She's not healthy or happy. So there's a chance I could live to be that age.I still have the rest of my life to be healthier, because the alternative is horrifying.
I know you're big on altruistic reasons, but every altruistic reason I can think of, I wind up benefiting, so it's not so pure.
On a scale of 1 - 10 how much effort do you plan on putting forth to lose weight and regain your good health?
On the average, about a 6. If I plan ahead it's not that hard. One good afternoon of cooking/ prep means the rest of the week is a breeze.
Is there any thing or anyone worth a 10 to you?
On a scale of 1 - 10 how difficult do you think it will be for you to reach your goal?
I honestly have no idea - I've heard the lower the weight the harder it is to get to and maintain. Also once I get there I'll want to have a new goal anyway.
What is your theory as to why you are over weight?
Ignorance and gluttony. That and trying to lose weight by methods that didn't work for me.
What is your theory as top why most people are overweight?
80% of the food available in the states is pure garbage. Look at your average grocery store. It's next to impossible to stay under a calorie allowance on processed trash.
What is a calorie?
What is your BMI?
What is the ideal weight for most women your height?
Using this calculator http://www.stevenscreek.com/goodies/calories.shtml calculate the BMR and total calories burned for a woman your age and weight and tell me what that is.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 05:51 pm |
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Is there any thing or anyone worth a 10 to you?
Worth it? Yes. but that level of obsession doesn't seem to be needed and it drives Hubby up the walls. I tend to ram the focus up to a 9 or a 10 if I stall or catch a good workout package.
What is a calorie?
1. Either of two units of heat energy.
2. The energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 ?é??C (now usually defined as 4.1868 joules)
What is your BMI? 32.6. 17 more to go until I am no longer obese!YES!
What is the ideal weight for most women your height? 116-147, but once I drop below 150, I'm planning to go more by body fat
bmr 1943
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 06:16 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Is there any thing or anyone worth a 10 to you?
Worth it? Yes. but that level of obsession doesn't seem to be needed and it drives Hubby up the walls. I tend to ram the focus up to a 9 or a 10 if I stall or catch a good workout package.
Obsession is not effort. Working smart is also working hard.
What is a calorie?
1. Either of two units of heat energy.
2. The energy needed to raise the temperature of 1 gram of water through 1 ?é??C (now usually defined as 4.1868 joules)
What is your BMI? 32.6. 17 more to go until I am no longer obese!YES!
What is the ideal weight for most women your height? 116-147, but once I drop below 150, I'm planning to go more by body fat
bmr 1943
Ideal body weight in most cases with me an 18.5 and 22 BMI
How many grams of protein per pound of body weight is a good amount for most people?
How many calories are there in:
A gram of protein
A gram of carbohydrate
A gram of alcohol
A gram of fat
How man calories in a pound of fat?
Get familiar with this site http://www.calorieking.com/ and get the calorie content of some foods
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 06:24 pm |
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How many grams of protein per pound of body weight is a good amount for most people? 1 gram per pound.
How many calories are there in:
A gram of protein 4
A gram of carbohydrate 4
A gram of alcohol 7
A gram of fat 9
How man calories in a pound of fat?3500
Already have calorieking as a link on my browser- probbably use it 50 times a day
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 07:46 pm |
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After you have calculated the numbers, in calories, what is the difference in calories between a woman your age and weight and one your age who is maintaining a weight of 135 pounds.
Note: (I ask questions like this to help the dieter focus and simply what the cause is. The cause is excessive calories and when they see that it is not all that many the task at hand does not seem so monumental. When they get familiar with the caloric content of the foods they eat, they see that is it very easy to "over fuel" if they don't eat mindfully.
This also breaks it down into a mathematical equation and while it is more complex than that when people start seeing it in those terms it makes then think more logically and effectively)
The Nutritional Plan
I call this the incremental weight loss plan. I cannot stress strongly enough patience and sensible weight loss. Sensible weight loss is 1 pound per week per 100 pounds of body weight. Rapid weight loss is rarely a good idea.
Here is where the real work begins. Some people enjoy this part.
Create 6 meal that when added together total your BMR.
The meals must contain the correct amount of healthy carbs, protein and healthy fats. A meal can be as simple as a 6" Subway Sub or cup of low fat yogurt, iced tea, apple and some peanuts.
Drink 64 ounces of water a day.
Create the meals within the guidelines and I will critique them
Give me all the reasons for why you cannot prepare and eat 6 high fiber low fat meals a day.
You will be eating about every 2.5 hours.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 08:35 pm |
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For the sake of the experiment I'm going to take the protien and fat down and the carbs up higher than I have in the past 2 years. If this messes me up I'm going back to my usual numbers
breakfast
2 jumbo eggs 180
7 grams bacon 35 (in place of using oil or butter to cook the eggs)
340 grams strawberries 109
meal one total 324
lunch
200 grams chicken breast 330
200 grams sweet potato 180
105g romaine 18
68g tomatoes 20
187g cucumber 28
dressing 20
5g Gruy?â?¿re 21
52 g mushroom 14
.5 oz artichoke heart 23
meal two 564 ( this is my main meal of the day)
snacks at work
1 oz almonds 164
iced cofee made from
1 scoop protein powder (100/3
1 cup unsweetened almond milk 45
309 calories
greek yogurt 160
Triple berry mix 70
230
late night
frozen lemonade with
triple berry mix 70
Barlean's Omega swirl
45 cals
200 grams asparagus 40
155
2 cups cauliflower soup 108
my usual huge salad 157
213 g romaine 36
60 g spinach 14
86 g tomato 15
115 grams cucumber 14
dressing 20
5 grams cheese 21
52 g mushroom 14
.5 oz artichoke heart 23
265
calories 1936
I am NEVER going to make it through all that food.
oops forgot bmr for 135 pound woman Resting (basal) metabolic rate: 1298 calories per day difference =664 caloriesLast edited on 14 Aug 2011 08:47 pm by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 09:15 pm |
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Force yourself to eat it all. Eventually eating will be less pleasurable. Don't get too hungry and get used to eating when you are moderately hungry. I know it's a fun itch to scratch but come up with more positive pleasures. I like sex.
Great plan! 
Will you feel deprived on your eating plan?
How difficult was it coming up with that plan? Share your thoughts with others.
Folks this is how to lose weight and not be hungry. Some of you may have mild cravings but they will fade as your palate adjusts to good food. Eventually this food and the little extra effort it takes will trump your current tastes.
Thanks Tankwoman for doing such a fine job.
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Posted: 14 Aug 2011 09:23 pm |
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Deprived? More like overwhelmed!
Thank heaven I'm on an IF today, I'll try but that much is just insane.
Once I got past the math it was pretty easy. These are recipes I've developed already and most of it was already in my diary. The only pain is now I have to go the store again for butter spray and sweet potatoes :P haven't used that stuff in ages. Last edited on 14 Aug 2011 09:42 pm by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 01:31 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: Deprived? More like overwhelmed!
Thank heaven I'm on an IF today, I'll try but that much is just insane.
Once I got past the math it was pretty easy. These are recipes I've developed already and most of it was already in my diary. The only pain is now I have to go the store again for butter spray and sweet potatoes :P haven't used that stuff in ages.
Eating should be a chore. W should crack or own coconuts and peel our own oranges. Raw food is really good. You can't ea raw fresh water fish but sushi grade tuna is a real treat. You can grill it lightly and it tastes a lot like steak. I cook the hard squashes but most others vegetables I eat raw or steamed.
Sweet potatoes are a great food. I like them baked. They are very filling.
Eating is serious business. It is best to eat at the diner table and not in front of the TV.
You came up with a great set of meals and I am sure you can create more healthy and tasty meals. Now I want you to come up with some valid reasons for why you can't stick with the eating plan.
You will need to weigh yourself a week from now and you will probably notice a 2 pound drop. If it is less than 2 pounds don't panic it could be water or a full bowel. Weigh yourself in the morning. If you lose more than 2 but less than 4 continue what you are doing but if you keep losing more than 2 you may have to eat a little bit more. If you are exercising you will lose more than 2 a week.
I don't want you doing cardio yet. That will come after you drop 30. Now you need to be doing strength training and toning. On this diet you probably will not add muscle but you will tone muscle and toned muscle is slightly more metabolically active than untoned muscle.
If you want to get technical you can get scales that measure you body fat %. That's up to you. You really don't need to do it unless you are shooting for an 18 BMI. Generally 20 - 21 is good for a woman even though and 18 looks hot for some women it's pushing the limits.
Do you know the lowest health body fat % for a woman?
I don't need to know your measurements but feel free to share them when you feel comfortable.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 02:58 am |
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Come up with some valid reasons for why you can't stick with the eating plan.
not sure about valid but:
1.that's just way too much food
2.I'm afraid to make such a sudden calorie jump since I am so close to getting under 200.
3.We've got a weekend in Portland planned starting on Friday.(fingers crossed for an in-room fridge - we're just on the other side of the river from a huge farmer's market)
I don't want you doing cardio yet.LOL like I'm going to swap my bike for a bus pass.As much as I hate the idea of hanging out at work for an extra 1/2 hr a night to use the gym you're right there. The bicycling is what keeps me sane and helps me survive my job.
body fat percentage is 12-31% but I might have to spend some time under that to get rid of the loose skin on my stomach and thighs and "bat wings", though if my hair started falling out I'd freak out and run for the nearest ribeye steak
I'm not wating to share my measurements yet but I unearthed a pair of hubby's 30 waist jeans that he doesn't think will ever fit him again. So I'm hanging on to them for me
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 10:52 am |
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| You're doing an awesome job, Tankgirl! I'm proud of you for putting yourself out there so publicly and being willing to be a guinea pig. It shows you are dedicated and motivated. You WILL do this!
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 11:57 am |
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In a Pm Js said if I learned the technique I could help my best friend. She's insulin-dependent , and starting to twist her ankle all the time - I would do anything to keep her from going where I've been, and where I saw my uncle go.
As far as my own motivation, I'm not worried. I'm 100 pounds off my heaviest as of today. I just came off an IF, and I tend to gain a couple pounds back the next day, so trying not to get too exited about it until I've held that weight for a couple of days. Going back to eating garbage isn't an issue because my tastes have changed. Ever heard the saying "Habits are first cobwebs, then cables" ? I should have a steel suspension bridge by now! 
Oh and about the fish - I really enjoy it, and theres an awesome fish shop a few doors down. It's just a matter of affording it. That's my idea of a "treat"Last edited on 15 Aug 2011 12:15 pm by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 02:02 pm |
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Bamawoman and Tankwoman,
This is an example of altruism. Tank is doing this for someone else. This is a selfless act on her part.
She will do this Bama and by her strong example other will follow in her foot steps when they see how easy it can be. This is not a "journey". This is a proven way of making some much needed changes. This is making a very small change for Tank in how she eats once her goal weight is achieved.
She was eating 2900 calories to stay at 200 pounds. (if she was slightly active) That is about 900 calories too much. 900 calories can "sneak" in very easily
These changes are incremental so that her body does not feel a big jolt and goes into starvation mode. Her frequent eating will prevent hunger from getting too intense and the digestion of the fiber and protein will increase her metabolic rate slightly.
Counting calories is not difficult and it is more important now than ever. She now has a good plan and it is a plan that she can stick with for the long haul. By the time she's done this is what she will prefer to eat. Her grocery bill will be less even though she is including high quality nutrient dense food.
Tank is taking control. She is regaining her power over food! GO TANK!
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 03:27 pm |
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Hold up there a min JS,
I have no idea what the calorie level was as I was gaining the weigh that got me to 297.I really wish I could see what I was eating back then, ala "You Are What You Eat". I haven't been over 2200 calories per day since January, and I've been lowering it since that time. You said it yourself that you should only lose 1-2 pounds a week. Before this experiment I was starting off with 1200 and adding calories for any calories burned.
I understand that normally when this treatment starts it's normally not somebody that is not already in the process of losing weight.
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JSABD
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 05:07 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Hold up there a min JS,
I have no idea what the calorie level was as I was gaining the weigh that got me to 297.I really wish I could see what I was eating back then, ala "You Are What You Eat". I haven't been over 2200 calories per day since January, and I've been lowering it since that time. You said it yourself that you should only lose 1-2 pounds a week. Before this experiment I was starting off with 1200 and adding calories for any calories burned.
I understand that normally when this treatment starts it's normally not somebody that is not already in the process of losing weight.
If you want to know how many calories you were consuming while you were over fueling use the calculator. You were in the 4500+ range.
Think of this as starting form scratch. I think you were doing it in a decent way but this process corrects years of problems.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 05:11 pm |
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Wow! You've lost 100 pounds. THAT is worth more than just a mere mention! That's awesome! Let's back up just a moment and celebrate that huge accomplishment!
And, yeah, since you've lost 100 now, the wieght loss is much slower that when you first started. I too am fine tuning my diet after losing 45 and stalling. But, it will be well worth it, I know it will.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 05:27 pm |
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I'm still in a bit of a hurry- my weight loss slows to a crawl right around Halloween and doesn't pick up again until March, I'd like to get in as much as I can before summer's over. And no, it has nothing to do with the candy bowl  I don't even give candy away, been giving away bubbles and crayons for the past few years.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 06:20 pm |
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Halloween is the start of glutton season. People naturally pig out to beef up for winter. Glutton season lasts until March. Halloween, Thanksgiving Xmas New years Valentines Day
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 06:23 pm |
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Bamagirly wrote: Wow! You've lost 100 pounds. THAT is worth more than just a mere mention! That's awesome! Let's back up just a moment and celebrate that huge accomplishment!
And, yeah, since you've lost 100 now, the wieght loss is much slower that when you first started. I too am fine tuning my diet after losing 45 and stalling. But, it will be well worth it, I know it will.
We don't like to give out too many atta girls or atta boys. Making it sound like a huge accomplishment makes it sound harder than it is. Perception becomes reality.
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 06:53 pm |
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Oh brother,
Halloween - don't hand out candy - duh just covered that. The kids really seem to like the non candy stuff anyway.
Thanksgiving -Completely easy to make a healthy Thanksgiving dinner. Most of the basic ingredients of Thanksgiving dinner are super foods, as long as you don't ruin them with sugar, flour, and Paula Dean amounts of butter.
Christmas -this is really mean but it works - every time the people in the office bring in fudge cookies etc, picture their complaints after new years when they step on the scale.
New Years, really, is it the alcohol calories or what? Never been a big eating day in my family.
Valentine's day if all you want on that day is chocolate, I feel sorry for you
gluttony on Easter? seriously?
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Posted: 15 Aug 2011 07:57 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Oh brother,
Halloween - don't hand out candy - duh just covered that. The kids really seem to like the non candy stuff anyway.
I see fatlings from my own neighborhood buy bags of candy for the trick or treaters. They buy 3 times and much as we buy and every year we have a bag left over that we give to charity. The fatling neighbors are eating it 2 weeks before halloween and a few days after.
Thanksgiving -Completely easy to make a healthy Thanksgiving dinner. Most of the basic ingredients of Thanksgiving dinner are super foods, as long as you don't ruin them with sugar, flour, and Paula Dean amounts of butter.
It's all the pre eating and post eating. Paula Deen has lost some weight. She still is a vulgar hag but if she can do it anyone can.
Christmas -this is really mean but it works - every time the people in the office bring in fudge cookies etc, picture their complaints after new years when they step on the scale.
All those Xmas parties and cookies! The baby Jesus must be quite dismayed.
New Years, really, is it the alcohol calories or what? Never been a big eating day in my family.
Booze and hors dourves. Snacks during the football post season. The gym fills up with fatlings who quit in less than two weeks. So much for the New Years resolutions. Resolute? NOPE!
Valentine's day if all you want on that day is chocolate, I feel sorry for you
We play sex games.
gluttony on Easter? seriously?
All that candy brings on the Yeaster Bunny.  Insulin and Monostat sale peak then.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 04:03 am |
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Eww, JS- Yeaster bunny? TMI!
Sweet potatoes are a great food. I like them baked. They are very filling.
I was pretty surprised that it didn't affect my appetite later in the day. And did it ever make the place smell great!
Now you need to be doing strength training and toning.
Check. I assume one day upper body, next day lower is the plan? BTW why didn't you tell me strength training released endorphins? I'm so blissed out after a day of call center insanity, it's amazing!Last edited on 16 Aug 2011 04:04 am by Tankgirl
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 04:45 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: Eww, JS- Yeaster bunny? TMI!
Sweet potatoes are a great food. I like them baked. They are very filling.
I was pretty surprised that it didn't affect my appetite later in the day. And did it ever make the place smell great!
Now you need to be doing strength training and toning.
Check. I assume one day upper body, next day lower is the plan? BTW why didn't you tell me strength training released endorphins? I'm so blissed out after a day of call center insanity, it's amazing!
Here are some good routines http://rosstraining.com/blog/
Also learn what a PHA workout is.
You can do upper one day and lower the next but is you are going for strength do it all at once.
Muscle building his high weight and low reps. It's a good way to get hurt if you don't know what you are doing. If you don't do squats your upper won't grow. You also have to eat like a pig to gain muscle. I would not advise hard core building.
I recommend strength training then move to cardio. I am a big fan of the elliptical machine. Don't like treadmills. Schwinn Airdyne is good. A bench and dumbells are a good investment
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 04:52 am |
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I recommend strength training then move to cardio.
Is 25 min cardio after a weight training workout enough? - that's the length of my ride home. If I need more, I could circle the HS track a bit.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 02:38 pm |
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Do a PHA workout because it combines strength and cardio. Look it up and then do it. Present it here if you have any questions.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 05:02 pm |
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ok read several sites, think I've got the idea.
If I'm doing a full Body PHA 5 days a week, how many "laps" of this circuit should I do? I'm using the gym at work late at night after the center's closed so I have all the equipment to myself.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 05:13 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: ok read several sites, think I've got the idea.
If I'm doing a full Body PHA 5 days a week, how many "laps" of this circuit should I do? I'm using the gym at work late at night after the center's closed so I have all the equipment to myself.
I think you have to push yourself to 80% or more. Some days you will be stronger than others.
Create a circuit based on what you have read. I warm up on an elliptical and then I hit the machines. I get my heart rate up and I go for it. I do a cool down and stretches.
I design a circuit where I do legs, upper, legs, upper, legs upper and I repeat 3 or 4 times. It can be grueling but it is a fast and effective workout.
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Posted: 16 Aug 2011 08:57 pm |
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Fast and effective is the best. People think you need to spend hours in the gym, but that's totally not true. Hitting the weights, stretching/yoga, and calisthenics don't take too long at all, and if you stick to it, you can tone your muscles pretty quickly without too much exertion.
I can't talk about cardio. I go for walks and hikes, but I have never been a fan of cardio/running/aerobics. I hate it, actually. I probably should incorporate it more, but I just... Ugh. Gotta get me an elliptical. But ellipticals require money. I have a stationary bike, but that kills my knees to be quite honest, and I will not run. Call it fattitude, but I just really... hate... cardio.
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 04:46 am |
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| Checking in. Survived one lap of 10 pound dumbbells and the machines.if I do this 5 days a week I'm sure I'll be up to 4 laps before long . 25 min on the elliptical as a warm-up and used the 30 min ride home as a cool-down. Thanks for the reminder about squats, they really help in powering the bike up hills.
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Posted: 17 Aug 2011 09:50 am |
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That's a good start. You don't have to kill yourself but keep it intense.
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 05:53 am |
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Should I switch out between dumbbells and machines? I try to to do all the dumbbell exercises straight through with 10 pounders without putting them down (yes, I'm a wuss) and after a few sets my wrists hurt too much to continue.
Now obviously I'm fortunate to have gym for free at work, but what about people that can't afford one?
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 06:38 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Should I switch out between dumbbells and machines? I try to to do all the dumbbell exercises straight through with 10 pounders without putting them down (yes, I'm a wuss) and after a few sets my wrists hurt too much to continue.
Now obviously I'm fortunate to have gym for free at work, but what about people that can't afford one?
I am bigger fan of free weights than most machines I do like the Total Gym and it clones.
A bench and free weights can be had 2nd hand for cheap.
I really don't want to teach weight lifting here but I will say that different muscle groups require different weights.
You can do everything with dumbells. There are some excellent body weight moves. Learn how to do frog squats. You can also grab two dumbells and do squats with them. Learn the right form and squat. Squats can brutal if you go heavy. Be careful.
Pullups, crunches, pull ups, squat thrusts, wind mills, jumping jacks are fine. Military press, Bent, bench and up upright rows, seated presses, curls, ect.. are great.
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come up with more positive pleasures.
Did that a year or two ago - you might have noticed I'm a bit obsessed with bikes?
the other thing is music.This ( or almost any song of his/ Roxy Music's ) Is better than chocolate ANY DAY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnde5c7OG8&ob=av2n
Just wondering: "Skinny Fat" has been in the news lately: people with normal BMI but too much body fat, and not enough muscle to do things like pull-ups - your thoughts? Last edited on 18 Aug 2011 07:31 pm by Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Aug 2011 01:17 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: come up with more positive pleasures.
Did that a year or two ago - you might have noticed I'm a bit obsessed with bikes?
the other thing is music.This ( or almost any song of his/ Roxy Music's ) Is better than chocolate ANY DAY!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOnde5c7OG8&ob=av2n
Just wondering: "Skinny Fat" has been in the news lately: people with normal BMI but too much body fat, and not enough muscle to do things like pull-ups - your thoughts?
People who are Skinny Fat are probably supposed to be a very low BMI and in other cases may lack testosterone.
Toned muscles work better than muscles that are atrophied. When you work a muscle it gets stronger and slightly more metabolically active.
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This is not a "journey".
Maybe the diet change in itself is not. But the weight loss sure is.
1. You describe fat people as weak. I'd add scared ( from experience) to that- at least with me. In losing the weight, I've done things that I couldn't have done physically or was afraid to do. It's no coincidence that some people divorce after weight loss. Losing a lot of weight changes your personality. I'm not sure if it's because of proper nutrition actually FEEDING the brain versus junk food or what.
2. To even follow your guidelines, a dieter has to put more time and attention on themselves instead of grabbing what's available. They have to take a certain part of their day for exercise. I don't know if I'm if I'm the only person that feels this way, but taking TIME alone to tune out the world and work out is a much greater indulgence than a candy bar. So this means seven times a day, they have to do something healthy for them. Sounds dangerous, JS, they might develop that "self-esteem " you've been talking about and actually start believing they're WORTH the time and effort!
I'm not sure if you've ever used the comparison here but you've (I'm guessing- maybe it was one of your team-mates) compared different levels of obese people to infants to different levels of maturity. Even if it's delayed, growing up is a journey in itself.
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 05:34 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: This is not a "journey".
Maybe the diet change in itself is not. But the weight loss sure is.
1. You describe fat people as weak. I'd add scared ( from experience) to that- at least with me. In losing the weight, I've done things that I couldn't have done physically or was afraid to do. It's no coincidence that some people divorce after weight loss. Losing a lot of weight changes your personality. I'm not sure if it's because of proper nutrition actually FEEDING the brain versus junk food or what.
Junk food probably can make your brain mushy.
I have a friend who begged me to put his wife through my program. Fat or skinny I didn't like the woman but I did it as a favor to him and he traded me some stuff for doing it. She lost 100 pounds and she left him. He's was disabled in a car crash and she was with him because she couldn't do any better while fat. She really screwed him over but he's glad she's gone.
2. To even follow your guidelines, a dieter has to put more time and attention on themselves instead of grabbing what's available. They have to take a certain part of their day for exercise. I don't know if I'm if I'm the only person that feels this way, but taking TIME alone to tune out the world and work out is a much greater indulgence than a candy bar. So this means seven times a day, they have to do something healthy for them. Sounds dangerous, JS, they might develop that "self-esteem " you've been talking about and actually start believing they're WORTH the time and effort!
It's really about mindful and responsible eating.
It is not a matter of self esteem because self esteem is an illness. It is a matter of respect and being a good steward of their bodies.
Their bodies are worth the time and effort and so are their families but they don't see it that way because they are drunk with fattitude. They are really good at self pity and claiming that they eat because they are depressed and don't love themselves. It's all BS and rationalization.
I'm not sure if you've ever used the comparison here but you've (I'm guessing- maybe it was one of your team-mates) compared different levels of obese people to infants to different levels of maturity. Even if it's delayed, growing up is a journey in itself.
Usually the fatter they are the more infantile they are. If you can watch Brookhaven the super morbidly obese have the maturity of spoiled 2 year olds. If I were in charge I'd slap them around a little bit.
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 05:50 am |
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I don't know if you've ever seen these, but an even better example of that infantile behavior is the two documentaries on Billy Robbins. I can't even watch them because they make my blood boil.
Just a question:
If you're having a much more active day than usual, do you adjust your calories for that day? Hub and I've spent the last 2 days walking everywhere in Portland, we both had fun tracking how many calories we burned using my heart rate watch - one day we did over 1200!
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 05:37 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: I don't know if you've ever seen these, but an even better example of that infantile behavior is the two documentaries on Billy Robbins. I can't even watch them because they make my blood boil.
Just a question:
If you're having a much more active day than usual, do you adjust your calories for that day? Hub and I've spent the last 2 days walking everywhere in Portland, we both had fun tracking how many calories we burned using my heart rate watch - one day we did over 1200!
I eat instinctively. Because I eat primarily wholesome food I can react to my hunger cues. My brain is programmed to eat what I need and no more. This programming takes time. Big people have bigger appetites and this is normal. As you get smaller so will your appetite but your body gets smaller first in many cases. I say that based on what our clients do.
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 06:41 pm |
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Sorry, let me rephrase that.
If a fatling under your coaching did much more excercise than usual, would you tell them to increase their calories for to that day?
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 08:26 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Sorry, let me rephrase that.
If a fatling under your coaching did much more excercise than usual, would you tell them to increase their calories for to that day?
Only after a weigh in. Fatlings see a warm up as a workout. If they said that they cranked out 1000 calories on an elliptical I might let it slide but something like that is rare. If they go 3 weeks and lose too much 3 weeks in a row we will discuss adding a little more food. You can't rush the process. Physically rapid weight loss is not good especially in the super morbidly obese and when doctors put these people on 800 calories of Medifast they should be horsewhipped with a bullwhip. The only reason they do is to cause them gallstones.
I don't want my process to be unpleasant and it isn't. Above all else this is a learning process and a reeducation process. Their brains need to relearn how to respond to food, and hunger. If you starve someone they will lose weight.
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Posted: 22 Aug 2011 11:22 pm |
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| Checking in - 199 , 3 pounds lost.
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Posted: 23 Aug 2011 04:37 am |
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In 3 months it will be another 20 pounds gone and in 6 around 40.
Happy New Years hubby and by beach season next year he will be a happy man. You go woman! In 6 months we will be calling you WOMAN!
No more fat girl clothes.
VA VA VA VOOM!
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| When this was started it was for my best friend. I'm happy to report that I just found an abandoned Trek mountain bike! It's ugly but definitely rehab-able. Local police said it was mine to keep since the serial # wasn't in their system. Here's hoping she uses it.
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Posted: 26 Aug 2011 12:10 pm |
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| OMG, TankGirl, that Hello Kitty image is absolutely adorable. I love Clockwork Orange!
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Posted: 26 Aug 2011 02:53 pm |
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TareChiMama wrote: OMG, TankGirl, that Hello Kitty image is absolutely adorable. I love Clockwork Orange!
OMG TareChiMama, you posted a 4 different images that you claim to be you but you removed them. Why is that?
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| Iv'e seen a lot of his movies but not a Kubrick Fan. It took me two tries to make it to the end of Clockwork Orange without wanting to smash the TV. Kind of sad since the Shining is one of the scariest movies of all time, and Kubrick made the character of Wendy much less tough than Stephen King wrote her.
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Posted: 27 Aug 2011 09:10 pm |
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I think the Shining is one of the few examples of an instance where I liked the movie better than the book. That usually never happens! Clockwork Orange, too, actually! HMMM!!!!?!?
If you ever get a chance to watch it again and feel like trying it out, I would suggest it. It took me about the fifth time of seeing it to go from completely disturbed, to thinking it was not bad, to ok, to like, to love! lol
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