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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 08:38 pm |
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Here is the quick answer for weight loss. This is some real inside information and out of the kindness of my heart I will reveal it to all of you.
There are two things you need to do to lose weight.
1 Watch what other fat people do and then don't do it.
2 Watch what lean people do and then do it.
Here are some worthwhile threads.
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Here a manly man mans up forum1/10925.html
Another wise and manly man mans up forum1/8830.html
Gluttonous girl becoming a womanly woman forum1/142.html
Long haired hippie type with many hurdles overcomes them. forum1/7659.html
Meat faced boy becomes handsome man forum1/9552.html Drops over 140 pounds the smart way.
Wise man keeps it off for 7 years and counting! forum1/9067.html
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 09:28 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
There are two things you need to do to lose weight.
1 Watch what other fat people do and then don't do it.
2 Watch what lean people do and then do it.
That's pretty good advice. But I'd just like to add that point number 2 won't always work. I see lean people eating junk all the time. If I copy them, I'll get fatter.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 09:35 pm |
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Yeah, I'd say only about 1/2 of the lean people I know really eat in a manner I would call healthy.
I worked with a lean guy who, no kidding, ate a large Snickers bar every morning for breakfast. Most days he ate at Burger King for lunch. He just ate few enough calories that he stayed lean.
Another one of my coworkers is a real sweet young man who used to swim competitively. He cooks a lot, bringing in his leftovers from dinner for lunch the next day. He seems to eat a decent amount of veggies in the food he cooks. But we get free snacks in my office, and this young man eats at least two snack-size bags of chips a day, sometimes as many as 4. He sits across from me, so I hear him crunching away. He's tall and active and young, though, so he burns 'em off.
Also, what about someone who is fat but has been losing weight? Some fat people I know do eat carefully, because they are in the process of becoming unfat. 
Last edited on 18 Jul 2011 09:36 pm by PuffsPlus
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 09:38 pm |
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JSABD,
Did you know that you're the topic of a recent thread? You can read it here.
You might disagree with some of the comments, including mine, but if it helps improve this forum, that's a good thing, is it not?
We have respect for the way you've managed to stay healthy and slim, and for unselfish reasons. But it seems that your treatment of certain other forum users is attracting more attention than your physical success.
Read it here, and try not to take offense by the people's comments.Last edited on 18 Jul 2011 10:33 pm by ItsOnlyMe
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 09:46 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote:
Also, what about someone who is fat but has been losing weight? Some fat people I know do eat carefully, because they are in the process of becoming unfat.
That's a good point PuffsPlus.
I'm fat, and I'm eating healthy, and I'm in the process of becoming unfat. I've lost two stone (28lb) recently, so it is working, but I've still got a long way to go, and I'm still fat. But my eating habits are good (they weren't before; they are now). I'm sure there are many on this forum who are in the process of becoming unfat. Imitating some of them can no doubt be beneficial.
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suenos
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:39 pm |
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this reminds me of a girl I used to work with when I first started losing weight. Even after three babies she was teeny tiny, like sizd sub zero or something...and there I was at dinner break with my careful portioned out 4oz of lean meat and 2 green veggies and water - stting across from her while she happily chomped down on a big mac and fries and soda -every friggin night...it seemed so unfair it wasn't until months later that I found out that, as high calorie as that meal was, it was literally the only thing she ate all day - every day.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:47 pm |
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I wonder if she's still slim now!
Although she was thinner than you, you were probably healthier! That can't have been doing her (or her children) any good!
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 09:47 am |
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It also seems to me that some of the very thin people I know just don't have much of an appetite. Or, when they get stressed or depressed, they either lose their appetite or just plum forget to eat.
They also have the capacity to just ignore food, which is something I can't do. I'm always *aware* of food in my environment, if that makes sense.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 01:25 pm |
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The only thin person I know is teeeny (and I say that affectionately- she's one of my favorite people on earth ) couldn't be over 100 lbs
She also loves her pizza , blizzards and everything else. Before she changed jobs she used to take all the junk food that came from management off my hands!
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 02:31 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote: It also seems to me that some of the very thin people I know just don't have much of an appetite. Or, when they get stressed or depressed, they either lose their appetite or just plum forget to eat.
They also have the capacity to just ignore food, which is something I can't do. I'm always *aware* of food in my environment, if that makes sense.
One reason thin people have smaller appetite is because they are smaller. That is the main reason. They avoid high calorie foods or eat them in moderation. If we ask what came first the appetite or the fat it probably was the fat. From what I have seen it take quite a while for the brain to make fat people feel sated. Fat people are hungrier so that eat high calories foods and they eat them quickly. Think about it. Most high calories foods can be eaten very quickly. (I have to hold back at this point cause I might say the G word)
It is easy to get fat in the US. Food companies cater to the biggest consumers and now it is self perpetuating with no end in sight. The greedy corporations are not going to reform the foodscape. The only people who can do anything are consumers.
Next time you go to a convenience store look for the smallest fountain drink you can buy. Look for anything healthy. If healthy foods sold well they would sell them. Accept for bottled water and milk there is nothing sold in a convenience store fit for human consumption but in spite of that people still buy it, eat it and feed it to their kids. I have a problem with that and I don't mince words when discussing it. I'll shut up now.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 02:56 pm |
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| Don't all 7-11 sell apples/oranges/bananas now? Maybe it's just a local thing, but the person at the counter said they'd been popular. There's also a couple decent brands of unsweetened iced tea(normally what I'm in there for). Last edited on 19 Jul 2011 02:56 pm by Tankgirl
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 02:57 pm |
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Around here mine do, yes. They also sell hard boiled eggs.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 02:59 pm |
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| Hey Puffs, how close are you to DC? I think what JS is getting into is the idea of food deserts - whole neighborhoods with no access to healthy food. I've heard DC has one of the worst problems nationwide with it.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 03:11 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: I've heard DC has one of the worst problems nationwide with it.
I'm in suburbia, so where I live is not a food desert. Thankfully.
Parts of DC, especially east of the Anacostia river, definitely have this problem, yes. There are few if any chain grocery stores. Any grocery stores that exist are of the tiny bodega/7-11/Korean Mart type and don't have much in the way of produce.
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 03:26 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Don't all 7-11 sell apples/oranges/bananas now? Maybe it's just a local thing, but the person at the counter said they'd been popular. There's also a couple decent brands of unsweetened iced tea(normally what I'm in there for).
I don't know about 7-11 but I travel a lot and most convenience store in the mid Atlantic and Southern states don't sell fresh produce but most sell Krispy Creme. 24 oz fat and sugar laden cappacinos.
I would bet that sweet tea outsells unsweetened 20 to 1.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 06:58 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
Think about it. Most high calories foods can be eaten very quickly. (I have to hold back at this point cause I might say the G word)
Well done! You can restrain yourself from calling us all gluttons. And you do make some valid points.
When you're like this, it's easier to interact with you. People don't feel so defensive. Interesting dialogue can take place, with no accusations. You show respect, and other posters show you respect. Everybody wins.
I'm not suggesting that you lose your honesty, but you've shown that you can still be frank, without insulting people who are fat.
Keep that up, and your experience will become valuable to, and appreciated by, the rest of us on this forum.
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JSABD
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Posted: 1 Aug 2011 03:27 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: JSABD wrote:
Think about it. Most high calories foods can be eaten very quickly. (I have to hold back at this point cause I might say the G word)
Well done! You can restrain yourself from calling us all gluttons. And you do make some valid points.
When you're like this, it's easier to interact with you. People don't feel so defensive. Interesting dialogue can take place, with no accusations. You show respect, and other posters show you respect. Everybody wins.
I'm not suggesting that you lose your honesty, but you've shown that you can still be frank, without insulting people who are fat.
Keep that up, and your experience will become valuable to, and appreciated by, the rest of us on this forum.
If a person who boozes to much is an alcoholic a person who eat to much is a glutton. When a drunk admits he's an alcoholic that puts him on the first step to recovery. They go to a meeting of other drunks and they say, "I'm an alcoholic."
Admit that you are a glutton. It's OK. You can say it. Admit it to yourself and someone else.
Most people can use alcohol and do it responsibly but junk food is another story. Most people are predisposed for gluttony.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 1 Aug 2011 04:08 pm |
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Sometimes it's hard to know any lean people enough to see what they do.
As an alternative there's a British show available on YouTube that I recommend, Super Size versus Super Skinny - look for the user ErmmTV, they've got several seasons.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ET-N3zSJ5VA&playnext=1&list=PL6C181F4AE329E29F
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Nadeem
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Posted: 2 Aug 2011 10:36 am |
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| Diet and weight loss is a habit at it is for the peoples for the health tips and for the any other peoples in the world....
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JSABD
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Posted: 2 Aug 2011 02:56 pm |
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Habit is part of it. In your country there are not many fat people. The Americans are decadent and greedy.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 2 Aug 2011 09:40 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
When a drunk admits he's an alcoholic that puts him on the first step to recovery.
Being an alcoholic and being a drunk isn't necessarily the same thing. A person could be an alcoholic without ever getting drunk. A person can get drunk every weekend without being an alcoholic.
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 12:38 am |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: JSABD wrote:
When a drunk admits he's an alcoholic that puts him on the first step to recovery.
Being an alcoholic and being a drunk isn't necessarily the same thing. A person could be an alcoholic without ever getting drunk. A person can get drunk every weekend without being an alcoholic.
Then he would be a reformed alcoholic.
If someone gets drunk every weekend chances are they are an alcoholic. Maybe they are a stage one alcoholic same as gluttons come in various stages.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 05:11 am |
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JSABD wrote:
Then he would be a reformed alcoholic.
What if someone has never been drunk, but depends on alcohol? He/she needs to have one or two drinks every day. Without those one or two drinks, he/she has physical and psychological pain and other symptoms. He/she has the one or two drinks every day, but never drinks to the point of intoxication. Still, he/she has a disorder, and a dependency on alcohol, and is addicted to it. He/she is not a reformed alcoholic.
(A reformed alcoholic will not drink any alcohol at all, not even a drop.)
You don't need to be drinking huge amounts to be an alcoholic. You don't need to be eating large amounts to be a glutton. Thin people can be gluttons. People who eat moderate amounts of food can still be gluttons - it's not just the amount (ok, in most cases, it usually is the amount), but it's also the attitude and desires that can reveal whether a person is a glutton.Last edited on 3 Aug 2011 05:18 am by ItsOnlyMe
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 02:12 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: JSABD wrote:
Then he would be a reformed alcoholic.
What if someone has never been drunk, but depends on alcohol? He/she needs to have one or two drinks every day. Without those one or two drinks, he/she has physical and psychological pain and other symptoms. He/she has the one or two drinks every day, but never drinks to the point of intoxication. Still, he/she has a disorder, and a dependency on alcohol, and is addicted to it. He/she is not a reformed alcoholic.
(A reformed alcoholic will not drink any alcohol at all, not even a drop.)
You don't need to be drinking huge amounts to be an alcoholic. You don't need to be eating large amounts to be a glutton. Thin people can be gluttons. People who eat moderate amounts of food can still be gluttons - it's not just the amount (ok, in most cases, it usually is the amount), but it's also the attitude and desires that can reveal whether a person is a glutton.
You make a lot of misleading statements.
One beer will cause mild intoxication in most people.
Alcoholism comes in stages. Stage one and two alcoholics function in life without significant problems. They may have an easier time of quitting and often they don't have a strong dependency of alcohol. Most alcoholics don't start out as stage 5. Like gluttony it is a progressive disease. Unlike gluttons, alcoholics become dependent on booze and in the case of the addict alcoholic they can have violent withdrawal.
Another misleading statement is skinny people can be gluttons. I suppose it is possible but very unlikely. Maybe in the case of the bulimic you could say that that person is a glutton because they eat and puke so that they can eat again.
Put another; most gluttons are fat and all fat people are gluttons.
In the case of the alcoholic, most alcoholics can't function very well without booze. Take away their booze and most get nervous, and some will have DTs. If I were to control the glutton's junk and replace it with real food the glutton would not be hungry nor would he have withdrawal symptoms of any consequence is any at all.
Alcoholics have real reasons for why they abuse alcohol. Most people can use alcohol without a problem. Others a predestined to become an alcoholic after their first drink. In their case it really is not a choice. Gluttony is a choice.
People who use alcohol to the point in causes problems in their lives are called alcoholics. People who eat mostly for recreation and get fat are called either foodies or gormandizers but when it is chronic and totally excessive to the point it makes them fat they are gluttons.
If you are using food to the point it is a detriment to yourself and others and you don't see fit to stop that behavior then you are a glutton.
Last edited on 3 Aug 2011 02:15 pm by JSABD
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 03:04 pm |
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| So a fat person is a glutton, even if they're losing weight until the BMI hits 24.9?
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 03:58 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: So a fat person is a glutton, even if they're losing weight until the BMI hits 24.9?
An alcoholic is considered an alcoholic even when they are not actively drinking.
Because alcoholics have been around for centuries and studied I tend to believe the alcoholism model. The gluttony model is newer. We can play semantics and rationalize all we want over terminology.
Off hand I would say that once a glutton establishes a healthy relationship with food only he know if his is still s glutton.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 04:22 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
Another misleading statement is skinny people can be gluttons. I suppose it is possible but very unlikely. Maybe in the case of the bulimic you could say that that person is a glutton because they eat and puke so that they can eat again.
Put another; most gluttons are fat and all fat people are gluttons.
I used to be a skinny glutton; now I'm fat and I'm not a glutton!
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 04:23 pm |
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Ok, that makes sense.
It seems like the more things I take out of my diet because they don't offer enough nutrients for the calories, the harder it gets to even hit my calorie minimum.
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Nir
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 07:19 pm |
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JSABD, one thing that bothers me is that whilst you are drawing parallels between 'alcoholics' and 'gluttons' (the first step is to admit they have a problem),
you accept Alcoholics have "real reasons why they abuse alcohol" (presumably you mean psychological reasons?) but you grant Gluttons no such excuses. Why?
Do you want to perhaps want offer two different words instead of the one word 'glutton', one for people who "can't help it" like an alcoholic, and another for people who could just snap their fingers and change the way they eat if they 'could be bothered'?
In your model, is a person with a 'binge eating disorder' (I think they're considering this for one of the diagnostic manuals?) a 'glutton'?
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JSABD
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Posted: 4 Aug 2011 01:09 am |
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Nir wrote: JSABD, one thing that bothers me is that whilst you are drawing parallels between 'alcoholics' and 'gluttons' (the first step is to admit they have a problem),
you accept Alcoholics have "real reasons why they abuse alcohol" (presumably you mean psychological reasons?) but you grant Gluttons no such excuses. Why?
Do you want to perhaps want offer two different words instead of the one word 'glutton', one for people who "can't help it" like an alcoholic, and another for people who could just snap their fingers and change the way they eat if they 'could be bothered'?
In your model, is a person with a 'binge eating disorder' (I think they're considering this for one of the diagnostic manuals?) a 'glutton'?
There is a lot of evidence that alcoholism is genetic.
I am not really drawing parallels. My original premise is that if it is OK to call a drunk a drink then it should be OK to call a glutton a glutton. The drunk has IMO more justification or excuses for being a drunk and more reasons for why they can't stop being a drunk.
Drunks rightly or wrongly are stigmatized. I am not as comfortable stigmatizing drunks as I am gluttons.
Since most fat people don't have a binge eating disorder and since binge eating disorder may have an organic component I don't think one can accurately refer to a person with binge eating disorder as a glutton. Since binge eating disorder is generally not self induced I would not call a person with it a glutton. Compared to gluttony BED is rare.
Gluttony is in part a moral failing. I don't think binge eating disorder is. This is not to say that some people with BED cannot be gluttons.
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