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spurfy
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 06:35 pm |
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Wow...reading around here I'm amazed at one person who is exceptionally rude and obviously despises anyone the least bit overweight. Maybe if we all stopped feeding his ego by responding to his posts he would disappear? And take his tiny "brians" with him?
Just a suggestion.
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zenobia
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 06:59 pm |
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spurfy- i know you are new and i hope this does not reflect poorly on our site. he is the exception to the rule. we are a very supportive group here and welcome newcomers with open arms. i'm sorry you had to discover us while this guy is back (yes, back...)
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 09:13 pm |
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Hi Spurfy,
Our friend (on one thread, he called himself Mean Mr Mustard) likes the tough love. He prefers not to sugarcoat (maybe that's a bad verb to use on this forum) the facts. He likes to give shocking details to "wake us all up". I believe he does it out of sincerity.
From what I've read from his posts, he has managed to stay healthy his whole life, he's never been obese, and he has good self discipline. So he thinks if he can do it, so can anybody else. Of course, we lesser beings know that's it not so easy.
I've got no problems with his straight talk, but I don't like it when he gets personal, calling people liars, or calling them lazy. None of us on this forum really know each other, so we can't judge each other. And we're here to support, not to judge. But of course, he judges those who aren't able to match his level of fitness. He'll deny it.
He believes he's not being rude, he believes he's not ridiculing or criticising anybody.
I think that some of what he says is right, but because his comments appear to be rude, he's upsetting people too much to be taken seriously. I'm hoping that he learns from that, then no doubt he'll be welcomed as a valuable member of the forum.
Mean Mr Mustard: I do enjoy our interactions, you do have some valid points to make, you can be quite humourous (british spelling) at times, your self-discipline is amazing. But the one thing that upsets people is personal attacks. You can still present the truth, the unpopular cold hard facts, but if you remove the personal belittling of people from your comments, they'll be more likely to listen and learn from your experience. What do you think?
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 09:59 pm |
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One of the last times Chris Brady/JSABD was here, the founder of this site specifically said that he would NOT ban someone for insulting fat people in general.
So it is within the founder's rules here to allow posters to insult the obese on his message boards.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:10 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote:
the founder of this site specifically said that he would NOT ban someone for insulting fat people in general.
It's strange that insulting fat people seems to be accepted as ok. Insulting someone because of their race, colour, religion, disability, financial status, etc., is considered taboo by most people, yet many think that ridiculing the obese is ok. They feel the same rules that apply to race, disability, etc., don't apply to obesity.
In defense of the founder of this forum, I think that attacking fat people in general (while still very rude and certainly not acceptable) is less severe than making a personal attack on one person. A personal attack can leave someone feeling worthless, even to the point of considering ending it all. Yet so many people still do it.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:14 pm |
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Spurfy, I agree with you totally. Like Zen has said, this place is normally a very welcoming and supportive place. I've only seen a few times when it's got a bit ugly  here and this is one of them. I left here once before because of a nasty person named 'Ball', not sure if he's the same guy under another name that's here now or not. Same general rudeness for sure. He was banned.
I don't find this constant bickering amusing at all. It's so ridiculous. Hopefully the moderators will take over soon. I hope you are able to ingore for now and hang in there with us.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:18 pm |
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Scoobees wrote: I left here once before because of a nasty person named 'Ball', not sure if he's the same guy under another name that's here now or not.
Same guy. Also posted here as BFB, CG Brady, and The Converter.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:20 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: It's strange that insulting fat people seems to be accepted as ok. Insulting someone because of their race, colour, religion, disability, financial status, etc., is considered taboo by most people, yet many think that ridiculing the obese is ok. They feel the same rules that apply to race, disability, etc., don't apply to obesity.
Ha, funny you mention this. Chris Brady/JSABD just wrote up a whole treatise on this very subject on "My Fat Spouse".
His point, which I think actually has some validity, is that you can't change your ethnicity or your skin color, but you can change your weight. Therefore, to ridicule someone's weight is to ridicule a condition based on changeable and willful behavior rather than the unchangeable circumstances of birth.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:21 pm |
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| Ohh Yeah! I forgot about The Converter! Thanks for the memories lol!!!!!!!!!! I was so literally ticked off at Ball that I left for quite awhile. Never again will I let a troll upset me that badly again.
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suenos
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:22 pm |
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@scoobs...same person, but stick it out this time kiddo. And to be honest, when I took my little break this last time it was for the same reason - I was really getting "upset" at what was going on and life is too short and I'm too busy to allow myself to get that annoyed over something on the net. Then I came back and saw it was worse and realized that it I had the choice of just abandoning the site altogether, avoiding everything but the diary section - or um, acting like a mod....I chose the latter.
@spurfy...as zen and scoobs have said, JSABD is NOT a reflection, by any means, of the members of this forum. stick around and get to know us.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 18 Jul 2011 10:28 pm |
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It might be that deep down Chris Brady/JSABD really believes that he's helping people. I used to think he was motivated solely by his hatred of the obese and and secondarily by his own arrogance.
CG Brady does seem very sure of himself and that he can "cure" gluttons. So sure of himself, in fact, that he's now trying to talk me into taking his "challenge" plan by PM. And he is doing it in a way that is surprisingly delicate...for him, anyway.  He has claimed to help fat people lose weight IRL. Maybe he's nicer to us fatlings who want to lose weight in person. I would hope so!
So maybe, deep down....his heart is in the right place? But his approach is so overbearing and objectionable that it drowns out the good parts. I dunno.
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Nir
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 01:56 am |
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Here are the posts in which Peter explained his thinking
view_topic.php?id=2127&forum_id=19&jump_to=23513#p23513
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 02:24 am |
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PuffsPlus wrote: It might be that deep down Chris Brady/JSABD really believes that he's helping people. I used to think he was motivated solely by his hatred of the obese and and secondarily by his own arrogance.
CG Brady does seem very sure of himself and that he can "cure" gluttons. So sure of himself, in fact, that he's now trying to talk me into taking his "challenge" plan by PM. And he is doing it in a way that is surprisingly delicate...for him, anyway. He has claimed to help fat people lose weight IRL. Maybe he's nicer to us fatlings who want to lose weight in person. I would hope so!
So maybe, deep down....his heart is in the right place? But his approach is so overbearing and objectionable that it drowns out the good parts. I dunno.
You know that is not the case.
Some people are easily offended and others live to be offended. Sorry fat folks you are fat and you did it to yourselves. You can make up excuses and find scape goats. You can blame mommy and daddy, the mysterious fat gene, the yet to be found "obesogens" and even if there is a shred of truth in those excuses the only person who can make you unfat is you.
Fat people are a protected species, while smokers, drunks and junkies are fair game gluttons are of limits. I can make a heck of a lot more of valid excuses for other substance abusers and the path of destruction they create but when I apply the same criticism of gluttons I am the bully.
The truth is if you are fat you have no valid excuse.
Ask yourself if getting beat up a little and facing some unpleasant things about yourself will give you a healthier and longer life is it worth sacrificing a little ego for it.
Is it so difficult to even entertain the idea that your obesity might be the result of a moral failing?
I like to debate religion even though I am an atheist. I am very critical of Christianity and today it is politically correct to bash Christianity but I can make arguments for it. Islam is off limits. I give the Muslims and their defender serious constipation when I ask them to defend Islam without attacking Christianity of Judaism. Based on the Koran it is very tough to find a redeeming quality to Islam.
There is no redeeming value to gluttony and no excuse and when you incorporate that in your thinking you will stop that behavior unless you are totally depraved. I can sugar coat the word and call it food abuse or willful caloric poisoning but I use the word gluttony because of it denotes a moral failing and it is considered one of the 7 deadly sins.
Some people are going to be offended and I don't care but others will be helped and I find that satisfying.
Here is my motivation and as much as I hate to admit it there is some altruism involved. I love my wife and kids and I know that my kids are going to inherit a country that is not as good as the one my parent left me. My mother has commented on all the fat people she sees. She loves going to Walmart just to see all the stuff. She suffers from vertigo and she often needs a cart to steady her. She is in her 80's now put she can get around the whole store in spite of her aches and her frailty. She refuses to use a fatty scooter. She has too much integrity and if she were to use one and she saw someone worse off than her she will walk.
By 2020 there will not be enough fit people to work in public safety of the armed forces. What a lousy world that will be. I want better for my kids.
Other than my family and some friends who I see as family I don't hold too many people in very high regard. People are overrated and the baby boomers and the Gen Xers stink IMO. I kinda like knocking them off their high horses. I don't mince words.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 05:17 am |
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JSABD:
You know that most of us already agree with you that gluttony is wrong.
You're not attacking gluttony, you're attacking a person's shape. Even if some of us did get where we are now because of lack of self-control, the fact that we're on this forum shows that we're trying to undo that.
Eating more healthy, and losing weight (which is what most of us are doing) is not gluttony!
You don't want to mince your words. That's absolutely fine. But don't knock people who are obviously making some changes in their diet / exercise / lifestyle (even small gradual changes), just because they haven't yet reached their goals.
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Taff
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 06:03 am |
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spurfy wrote: Wow...reading around here I'm amazed at one person who is exceptionally rude and obviously despises anyone the least bit overweight. Maybe if we all stopped feeding his ego by responding to his posts he would disappear? And take his tiny "brians" with him?
Just a suggestion.
I agree also, Spurfy. I don't stray far from the diary or the challenge forum because I do not really want to have any interaction with him.
For the record, everyone else here seems very nice and supportive, so as somebody has already said, hang in there and I'm sure you will enjoy it here 
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 09:09 am |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: You don't want to mince your words. That's absolutely fine. But don't knock people who are obviously making some changes in their diet / exercise / lifestyle (even small gradual changes), just because they haven't yet reached their goals.
IOM,
CG Brady/JSABD appears to be convinced that most, if not ALL of us on these forums are trying to lose weight the WRONG way and/or that we have the wrong attitudes towards losing weight (fattitude).
He therefore appears to feel justified in correcting us as long as we are on the wrong track in our approach to losing weight.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 02:01 pm |
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Is it so difficult to even entertain the idea that your obesity might be the result of a moral failing?
So what if it is? How long do people have to be punished if they've "put their wicked ways behind them"?
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 04:30 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: JSABD:
You know that most of us already agree with you that gluttony is wrong.
You're not attacking gluttony, you're attacking a person's shape. Even if some of us did get where we are now because of lack of self-control, the fact that we're on this forum shows that we're trying to undo that.
Eating more healthy, and losing weight (which is what most of us are doing) is not gluttony!
You don't want to mince your words. That's absolutely fine. But don't knock people who are obviously making some changes in their diet / exercise / lifestyle (even small gradual changes), just because they haven't yet reached their goals.
There is a fine line when we take issue with a person's behavior and their character.
My challenge to fat people is this. Give me a valid reasons or reasons for why you can't eat 2000 calories a day (women) and 2500 a day (men).
I have you all over a barrel because you know that there are no valid reasons. That angers you because you are being outed and knocked out of your comfort zone. The truth is if you are fat it is because you eat too much. You can go on an on about low carb, macro biotic, HFCS, organic vs non organic but not of that will address the real issue...YOU EAT TOO MUCH.
Stop dancing around the issue, stop the excuses, stop the half baked theory and shut up and stay on a healthy diet. There is no reason why you can't and you know it.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 04:42 pm |
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| If we "just shut up" there would be no point to this board, and you'd have to find another place to complain about how vile fat people are.
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spurfy
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 05:11 pm |
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We're not doing a very good job of ignoring him, guys...
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 06:34 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
My challenge to fat people is this. Give me a valid reason or reasons for why you can't eat 2000 calories a day (women) and 2500 a day (men).
I am fat, and I eat less calories than that.
I'd say that most overweight people on this forum are eating less calories than that. That's why we are losing weight.
We are succeeding in shedding the pounds, because we are eating healthy. Some of us (including me) still have a lot more weight to lose, but we heading in the right direction.
So your challenge to fat people doesn't make sense to me. You ask for a valid reason why you think we eat more than 2000-2500 calories. The simple answer is: We DON'T eat more than 2000-2500 calories!
I thought you'd be happy for us. We're eating healthy. We're losing weight. We're losing bodyfat. Why is that not good enough for you? Why can't you support our achievements?
Why this burning desire to attack us when we are losing weight?
Is it because you secretly want us to stay fat?
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 06:35 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: Why this burning desire to attack us when we are losing weight?
Is it because you secretly want us to stay fat?
OMG! Maybe he's a Fat Acceptance infiltrator! 
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JSABD
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 08:12 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: JSABD wrote:
My challenge to fat people is this. Give me a valid reason or reasons for why you can't eat 2000 calories a day (women) and 2500 a day (men).
I am fat, and I eat less calories than that.
And you are losing weight and when you reach your goal you will be eating around 2000 calories a day to maintain a healthy weight. Let's just hope you are not one of those rare/common people whose bodies defy the laws of physics.
I'd say that most overweight people on this forum are eating less calories than that. That's why we are losing weight.
You can say that but you would be wrong. Here is why. When a awake a 160 pound person burn around 100 calories an hour. This is not a theory it is a fact that has been know for over a century. They burn around 80 at when sleeping. Maintaining body temp and circulation requires a lot of energy and a calorie is a measurement of energy
We are succeeding in shedding the pounds, because we are eating healthy. Some of us (including me) still have a lot more weight to lose, but we heading in the right direction.
So your challenge to fat people doesn't make sense to me. You ask for a valid reason why you think we eat more than 2000-2500 calories. The simple answer is: We DON'T eat more than 2000-2500 calories!
Come now. The most weight a woman can maintain on 2000 calories is 135 pounds. If she is active may need 2500 or more. That's reality. If you don't believe me click here. http://www.stevenscreek.com/goodies/calories.shtml
I thought you'd be happy for us. We're eating healthy. We're losing weight. We're losing bodyfat. Why is that not good enough for you? Why can't you support our achievements?
I really don't care one way or the other so why do you care what I think? I don't support people who diet because they don't need support. They need the right tools and the proper motivation. I can provide some motivation but the inner motivation is what really makes it happen. You are not accountable to me. If you were inner directed you would understand that.
Why this burning desire to attack us when we are losing weight?
Stop playing the tragic victim. I am merely challenging the BS that has made you fat and kept you fat. I have demonstrated that anyone CAN lose weight and keep it off with ease. I have shown that there is no mystery. I challenge the fattitude. It is not pleasant but it is what fat people require.
Puffs is going to finally lose the weight and keep it off because now she knows how to do it and she is acquiring the tools. She now knows that there are no reasons for why she can't and if she fails to acquire those tools and fails to adhere to a sane and responsible eating plan she know they only person responsible is her.
Is it because you secretly want us to stay fat?
If I do it's a secret to me. I like beautiful things and I find slender women visually beautiful. I want Puffs to lose weight so that every time she looks at her size 6 figure she thinks about the person/persons she angrily stalked on the internet and if she is involved in the FA movement both she and them will be eating a little crow.
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suenos
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 08:28 pm |
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JSABD sent me a pm complaining about one of his posts being deteted and asking for it to be reinstated. I'm responding here, rather than via PM because, unfortunately, this individual has become a focal point of this site lately, and what I would say in private is no different than what I am going to say publicly - and since this thead is about "rudeness and hate on a weight loss support forum", it seems to be the best place.
Over the years I've either visited or been a member of a number of weight loss/fitness reled sites and, at one time or another this individual has started posting exactly as he does here and is subsequently deleted/banned fairly quickly-as was done here at least 4 times that I can recall. in fact, this is pretty much the "longest run" i've seen him have either here or on any other creditable weight loss support forum - and the results of being allowed to continue unchecked are not pretty.
there are very long term members here who have expressed (both publicly and privately) a desire to not post on the site while he is here. There are very new members who have (both publicly and privately) expressed the same concern. i can only imagine what impression this site makes on anyone who clicks on to a "support" forum to find one of his anti-fat diatribes.
there are fat people on this site. There are thin people on this site. There are people who are experiencing success in their weight loss/maintainence attempts and there are people who are struggling. but the common thread is, with one exception, every single person on this site is here to share their own personal experiences, thoughts and ideas and learn from others. And to do so in an environment free from being ridiculed and shamed.
the people who are NOT interested in becoming healthier or fitter are not on this site because this is not where their interest lies. The people who ARE on this site deserve to be treated with respect....and not one single person here owes an explanation to anyone else why they do or do not chose to eat a certain number of calories, or a certain type of food, or be degraded because of their reasons for wanting to lose weight. And for one individual to repeatedly push his/her personal agenda in an insulting and rude manner - no matter what the intention - is simply trollish. And this trollish behavior has now reached the point of actually making people uncomfortable on a site that is supposed to be supportive.
So, to answer your question JSABD- "no, your trollish post is just going to stay floating out there in cyberspace where it belongs. Learn to make your points without being rude and disprectful, as stated clearly in the Terms, as you seem to be learning to do, and you won't have to worry about your comments being deleated."
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 19 Jul 2011 09:54 pm |
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I like beautiful things and I find slender women visually beautiful.
I hear this a lot from in articles about fat people in general. In fact it's usually one of the first things that usually comes up.
I understand your other reasons- regarding what the rising obesity rate is doing to our country, medical system etc. Point taken there. However, do you believe that people have a responsibility to to be visually appealing to others?
(outside of spouses).
What do you think of lean people with piercings, tattoos, and body modifications?
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Nir
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Posted: 21 Jul 2011 07:37 am |
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I delete several user accounts every day without a second thought. As Suenos outlines above, in general the only people who want to stick around are those who fit in. Two examples of (other) people who had to be "restrained" were fans of "Intuitive Eating" who wanted to preach this method at others who were not interested in that particular method. (Cookies and Ice-cream, anyone? )
Although COURTESY is a forum rule, it is just generally taken for granted and not much talked about. The rules of conduct on this forum are mostly implied.
I am reminded of how, back in 1991, I burst onto the high-brow university bulletin board with a bunch of drivel (I was 18 but you'd be forgiven for assuming I was younger). This was a reputation I found it difficult to shake off during my 3 years on that forum. I certainly had my wings clipped many a time by the moderators (we called them 'Editors' back then).
Never did I think, 20 years ago, that I'd be in that position of being the ultimate decision maker.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 06:43 pm |
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Rudeness and Disrespect
It is rude and disrespectful to your spouse get fat, unhealthy and unattractive.
It is rude and disrespectful to your kids to be an unhealthy and undisciplined role model.
It is rude and disrespectful to passengers to allow yourself to eat so much that your fat spills over onto them.
It is rude and disrespectful to have your self-induced maladies account for near 20% of health care costs.
It is rude and disrespectful that your obesity more than doubles your carbon foot print.
It is rude and disrespectful that your tastes have dictated what foods are sold.
It is rude and disrespectful to taxpayers that your self-induced diabetes has rewarded you with diabetic supplies delivered to your door and no cost to you but a huge burden to the taxpayers.
It is rude and disrespectful that millions of Americans are collecting Social Security simply because they have made themselves too fat to work.
Hypocrisy
It is hypocritical to call someone a troll simply because he or she points out the obvious.
It is hypocritical to cry troll and then engage that "troll".
This is a big forum with room for many posts and opinions. The subject of this forum is weight loss but it seems that it is easier for some members to discuss me and my positions than it is to have an intelligent and helpful discussion about weight loss.
Moot Points
Do you want to lose weight? Do you really? I mean REALLY? It's simple, do what Nir did and do what he does. If you don't do that then every silly little thread is a moot point.
Losing weight and keeping it off is not rocket surgery. DO IT and stop talking about it.
You can do what Nir has done but the truth is you don't. I say it is because you won't and so far nobody can prove it is can't. So then, unless you are doing what Nir and other successful people are doing everything you say is moot.
Let's say I wanted to build a boat but I did not know how but Nir has built many wonderful boats. I would not discuss with him my inability to build boats I would ask him how to build boats. Nir and others have explained how to lose weight.
Here many of you are building boat that leak and sink like rocks when you have a boat builder who can show you how to build one right.
The Truth is...
You want to not be fat but you are unwilling to do what is required to achieve that goal. You know I am right. You also know that the only thing keeping you from transforming form a fatling to a thinling is you. I guess it is easier to complain about me than it is to eat correctly.
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JSABD
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:03 pm |
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suenos wrote: JSABD sent me a pm complaining about one of his posts being deteted and asking for it to be reinstated. I'm responding here, rather than via PM because, unfortunately, this individual has become a focal point of this site lately, and what I would say in private is no different than what I am going to say publicly - and since this thead is about "rudeness and hate on a weight loss support forum", it seems to be the best place.
You also deleted posts by Puffs Plus and the posts you deleted were complimentary to each other but nobody will ever see them unless you have a way of retrieving them. If I am the focus of this site then posters here are not too serious about the serious business of regaining their health.
Over the years I've either visited or been a member of a number of weight loss/fitness reled sites and, at one time or another this individual has started posting exactly as he does here and is subsequently deleted/banned fairly quickly-as was done here at least 4 times that I can recall. in fact, this is pretty much the "longest run" i've seen him have either here or on any other creditable weight loss support forum - and the results of being allowed to continue unchecked are not pretty.
Which sites would that be?
there are very long term members here who have expressed (both publicly and privately) a desire to not post on the site while he is here. There are very new members who have (both publicly and privately) expressed the same concern. i can only imagine what impression this site makes on anyone who clicks on to a "support" forum to find one of his anti-fat diatribes.
There people are called censors and they what censorship by proxy. Anti-fat? I see that you did not say anti-fat person. Isn't weight anti fat and pro muscle?
there are fat people on this site. There are thin people on this site. There are people who are experiencing success in their weight loss/maintainence attempts and there are people who are struggling. but the common thread is, with one exception, every single person on this site is here to share their own personal experiences, thoughts and ideas and learn from others. And to do so in an environment free from being ridiculed and shamed.
There are darn few people here who have achieved success and interestingly enough this site seems to have a higher success rate. That may have something to do with Peter and Nir. They don't BS. I disagree with Nir on some of the metabolic math but other than that I think he's right about most things. After all he and Peter overcame a real eating disorder using honesty and common sense.
the people who are NOT interested in becoming healthier or fitter are not on this site because this is not where their interest lies. The people who ARE on this site deserve to be treated with respect....and not one single person here owes an explanation to anyone else why they do or do not chose to eat a certain number of calories, or a certain type of food, or be degraded because of their reasons for wanting to lose weight. And for one individual to repeatedly push his/her personal agenda in an insulting and rude manner - no matter what the intention - is simply trollish. And this trollish behavior has now reached the point of actually making people uncomfortable on a site that is supposed to be supportive.
It is not about respecting them. It is about respecting their positions and excuses. The truth can hurt and I don't sugar coat it.
So, to answer your question JSABD- "no, your trollish post is just going to stay floating out there in cyberspace where it belongs. Learn to make your points without being rude and disprectful, as stated clearly in the Terms, as you seem to be learning to do, and you won't have to worry about your comments being deleated."
I was hoping that someone would see what I was doing and play good cop bad cop. My perceived rudeness aside, people are dying. Obesity is the plague of the 21st century. It is epidemic with no end in site. It is high time we say what it is. People need to get comfortable with the G-word.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:32 pm |
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JSABD wrote: You also deleted posts by Puffs Plus and the posts you deleted were complimentary to each other....
No, I self-deleted those, because people on this forum got tired of what they perceived was us bickering back and forth.
So, I'm responding to this one post in this one thread, but that's it.
Which sites would those be?
Maybe suenos is talking about one of these:
As "Guest" (originally "Ball" before banning) : http://www.healthyweightforum.org/eng/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=6762&PN=200&TPN=1
As "Guest" (originally "Ball" before banning): http://www.weightlossobesity.com/forum/obesity-in-america-continues-to-expand-topic-72.html
As "Educator" (banned): http://weight-loss.fitness.com/newcomers/28304-obesity-educator-questions.html
As "Educator" (banned): http://www.forum-body-improvements.com/showthread.php?t=335
As "CG Brady" (banned): http://www.obesitydiscussion.com/forums/weight-loss-forum/some-challenging-questions-6643.html
And, of course, there's the four times you've previously been banned from this very site as "BFB", "CG Brady", "The Converter", and "Ball".
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:34 pm |
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Hey Puffs,
In all your research, has he ever posted a pic?
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:44 pm |
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Nope, he assiduously avoids doing that, even when he had promised to, like on the Body Improvements forum.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 08:46 pm |
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JS,
I know this is off-topic but after reading the links, I was hoping we could talk about some of your ideas :
1.) I'm guessing you come to weight loss forums because the statistics about how the majority of "diets fail"
I don't know about you, but very few things are perfect the first try. I've had to be on several diets to learn what worked best for me. It's a learning process even now, editing out what doesn't work while looking for things that work better.
Have I been on diets where I regained? Yup, a lot of people have. Sometimes you just need to do things more than once. Just because I have to wash the same clothes every week doesn't mean the washing machine is defective.
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Love2Cycle
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Posted: 23 Jul 2011 07:23 am |
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JSABD wrote:
My challenge to fat people is this. Give me a valid reason or reasons for why you can't eat 2000 calories a day (women) and 2500 a day (men).
Actually, I've found that to lose weight I have to eat more than 2000 calories a day [woman] or I gain weight.
If I eat less than 2000 calories a day I gain weight too.
I do have an excuse (If I wish to use one, which I do not.) for my obesity, a metabolic disorder. It is corrected for now, but can go haywire at any time. It's the nature of the beast. I didn't get this way by eating too much food. Rather, I got obese from eating too little food due to not having an appetite, because of a lowered metabolic rate caused by a metabolic disorder.
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McBalls
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 02:49 pm |
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By ignoring him, you are only ignoring the truth. I think JSABD has actually been pretty mild on this forum lately compared to his usual attitude elsewhere.
I know the truth hurts, but you have to learn it to overcome all the lies you have told yourself. If you don't think you are a glutton or think you are not eating too much, then you are lying to yourself. Maybe you don't physically eat all that much, but you could be eating small amounts of calorically dense foods. Two tablespoons of Nutella has the same amount of calories as four whole cucumbers. A chocolate bar (about 250 calories) contains about five. By choosing the right food, you will actually find it's hard to eat enough!
There's nothing wrong with stating this. JSABD might say it in an abrasive way at times, but it is what it is, and I do think this guy really wants to help those who want it. Just try not to take what he's saying too personally. Learn from it, man.
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 06:21 pm |
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McBalls wrote: By ignoring him, you are only ignoring the truth. I think JSABD has actually been pretty mild on this forum lately compared to his usual attitude elsewhere.
I know the truth hurts, but you have to learn it to overcome all the lies you have told yourself. If you don't think you are a glutton or think you are not eating too much, then you are lying to yourself. Maybe you don't physically eat all that much, but you could be eating small amounts of calorically dense foods. Two tablespoons of Nutella has the same amount of calories as four whole cucumbers. A chocolate bar (about 250 calories) contains about five. By choosing the right food, you will actually find it's hard to eat enough!
There's nothing wrong with stating this. JSABD might say it in an abrasive way at times, but it is what it is, and I do think this guy really wants to help those who want it. Just try not to take what he's saying too personally. Learn from it, man.
Thank you McBalls.
There is a method to my madness. There is nothing I can say and no way to say it that is as bad as the health effects of being dangerously fat.
I have said it nicely and used all the hedge words but the truth is fat people are gluttons and there is nothing they can say to disprove that.
You can tell them what to eat and what not to eat until you are blue in the face and they still WON'T do it. Nice has not worked with them. Indulging them in their denial, avoidance and lies is not helping them. Challenging their BS does help them and I have proven it. What I do in an intervention. I coddle egg not fat people. I am not trying to be their friend or pretend I care about them by salving them so that I can get their money. What I do is unpopular. Junkies don't like being called junkies and drunks hat being called drunks but they are what they are. Gluttons are gluttons so we might as well say it.
Dr House's patients don't like him until he saves their lives. Then they love him. I can't save their lives but I can show them how to save themselves and have a better life and if they were sincere they would screw up their courage and say, "Hurt my feelings if you must JABD but show me how to not be fat and sick. I have tried everything else so I might as well do what you advocate"
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 30 Jul 2011 04:58 pm |
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| WDF A GUy named mc"BALLS" That agrees with JSABD/BALLS IS this coincidence
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 30 Jul 2011 05:00 pm |
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| And he only has 28 posts and all of them are in response to JSABD WDF IS this coincidence
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 30 Jul 2011 05:28 pm |
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| Actually I think she's a different person. If it's who I think it is, this forum's a much healthier place for her.
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JSABD
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Posted: 30 Jul 2011 05:33 pm |
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I can assure you and so can the mods that McBalls is not me. I know who he is and he is not me.
BTW, anti troll, you and your other flunkies have yet to post a picture of yourselves. Why is that? Wasn't it you or one of your socks who accused me of being fat?
You are either fat or you like fat girls for doing the nasty with.
There are a lot of subjects for discussion here but you only want to discuss me. Are you a fat girl who saw my picture and swooned? I think you are.
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McBalls
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Posted: 31 Jul 2011 01:06 pm |
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Hey, look at that! A poster named TheAnti 'Troll', who only has 41 posts- nearly all of them directed at JSABD! Coincidence? I think it's another sock puppet opposition!
Oh dear! Maybe we're all JSABD... Even Nir... Even the owner of this site.
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JSABD
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Posted: 31 Jul 2011 04:12 pm |
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McBalls wrote: Hey, look at that! A poster named TheAnti 'Troll', who only has 41 posts- nearly all of them directed at JSABD! Coincidence? I think it's another sock puppet opposition!
Oh dear! Maybe we're all JSABD... Even Nir... Even the owner of this site.
Anyone who talks of fat phobic things like physics and calories is really me. I mean everyone. I have cyber cloned myself and the clones all have cloned themselves.
There is an army of is. We are like the Borg.
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 31 Jul 2011 11:10 pm |
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| No, its ez to make a new mail and register another account. Much ezier than constructing androids armed with artificial intelligence.
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JSABD
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Posted: 31 Jul 2011 11:24 pm |
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TheAntiTroll wrote: No, its ez to make a new mail and register another account. Much ezier than constructing androids armed with artificial intelligence.
You should know.
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