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JSABD
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Posted: 21 Jun 2011 08:28 pm |
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There are people who call themselves members of the fat acceptance movement. 99% of them are women who can't get man. It's not because they are fat. A lot of men like fat women. It's because they are nuts.
CPH has a troll/censor and her name starts with a K.
For those of you unfamiliar with the FA movement here are some terms and definitions.
http://unfatblog.wordpress.com/2008/05/25/lexicon-of-fat-acceptance-terms/
May 25, 2008 by unfatblog
According to a Sarcastic Antifat Acceptance Blogger
Anorexia: A very common condition that results in the deaths of MILLIONS of women each year. The primary cause is skinny models, and Hollywood waifs.
Bing Eating: A term that is used to describe a non existent condition.
Comment Section: A section of a blog where adherents post loud praise for the fat acceptance blog author?óÔé¼Ôäós post .
Dan Savage: The most evil man alive!
Diet: An extreme form of calorie restriction that occasionally results in temporary weight loss. This activity poses a high risk or causing anorexia.
Diet Industry: An evil Cabal of Jews, Trilaterialists, and late night infomercial advertisers who are attempting to dominate the world through manipulating health studies to encourage the sale of hoodia, and frozen meal entrees.
Douchehound: An intellectual term that Kate Harding uses to describe those who she particularly disagrees with.
Exercise: Strenuous physical activity, often engaged in by fat acceptance types, for example: playing with Cats. However, exercise has not been shown to result in weight loss. In fact many Fat Acceptance adherents exercised 2 hours a day with no results while eating nothing but lettuce, and found that no weight loss occurred.
Fashion Industry: A conspiratorial organization that is #%@&! bent on forcing women of size to wear frumpy clothing, and to promote anorexia by utilizing uber-skinny models.
Fat and Fit: A scientific fact proven by the next to last place finishes by ?óÔé¼?ôfat girl on a bike?óÔé¼?Ø in many competitive triathlons.
Fat Hate Bingo: A method in which valid arguments are answered by shouting ?óÔé¼?ôBingo?óÔé¼?Ø in a juvenile fashion.
Genetic Set point: If one eats intuitively (i.e. what ever the heck you want), your body will eventually reach its?óÔé¼Ôäó genetic weight set point. Note: sometimes a genetic set point will shift; typically upward do not be alarmed.
Intuitive Eating: Eat whatever the #%@&! you want!
Kate Harding: A feminist prophet who offers obscenities of wisdom to those who willing to ignore science and accept her angry faith.
Lifestyle Change: See Diet. There is no known difference.
Myfatspouse.com: The most evil web site in the entire universe. It is highly inadvisable to link to http://www.myfatspouse.com.
Obesity Epidemic: An over exaggerated media catch phrase. Simply saying ?óÔé¼?ôbooga, booga?óÔé¼?Ø makes it go away.
Real Women: Overweight women who are sexier than skinnier women. This should be an obvious fact when discussing this subject on a fat acceptance blog. Remember, that all women are real women when discussing the subject with non fat acceptance types.
Second (2nd) Law of Thermodynamics (calories out must equal calories in): Physics is sexist!
Straw Men: A valid argument against fat acceptance.
Troll: Someone who posts a comment on a fat acceptance blog who does not match the author?óÔé¼Ôäós ideology EXACTLY.
Obesity kills!
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 05:48 am |
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You know there are actually a few drawbacks to losing weight.
1.) Finding anything at walmart below an XXL is a wild goose chase ( at least in my town)
2.) Say goodbye to your cold tolerance. I went in one year from a penguin that could play in the snow in jeans and a sweatshirt to a shivering chihuahua. I had to bundle up like the kids in Christmas Story just to get to work. Of course the upshot is those 97 degree days are a lot easier.
3.)You can't just plop down anywhere anymore like a rag doll. Be careful how you sit on hard surfaces until you get used to it!
4.)About to sneeze? Better hold your waistband !
5.) All that extra energy and endorphine high can make you annoyingly perky and enthusiastic.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 10:08 am |
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Yes, that's true.
I'm always hot even in the winter, but when I reach my goal, I'm going to feel the cold a lot more. It's a small price that I'm willing to pay.
I think clothes for slim men are probably easier to find at the shops than for thin women. I used to be slim, and I don't remember a problem with buying clothes then. But my wife might have that challenge when she reaches her ideal weight.
Overall, despite the few drawbacks you listed, I'm looking forward to being slim again. I'm determined to keep at it. I think that being on a forum adds extra weight to our determination. I don't want to give in, and reading other people's stories on here is one thing that will keep me going.
Despite all the disagreements, this forum is having a positive influence on so many people. I wonder how many pounds of fat have been melted due to the comments of support on this forum. Quite a lot, I imagine!
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JSABD
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 02:27 pm |
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I have said a few things people don't want to hear. Here are some worse things fat people hear.
1. You have diabetes.
2. You are at risk for a stroke.
3. You need a knee replacement but you are too fat for one.
4. You are at an increased risk of cancer.
5. You are twice as likely to have a child with birth defects.
6. You will have a high risk pregnancy
7. Obesity costs the economy BILLIONS.
The only upside to being fat is the pleasure derived from food but you can be lean and still enjoy food. You Just have to eat different food.
Folks, there is a movement called fat acceptance. It's membership is about 99% women and they all have a huge chip on their shoulders. They spread dangerous propaganda about health.
They sell this absurd insanity called HAES or Health At Every Size. Any sane person knows that it's a lie.
They compare their imagined social plight with the real plight of American Black slaves and Holocaust Jews.
They feel entitled to two airline seats for the price of one.
They have issued vile death threats to anti obesity activist MeMe Roth.
They deny that obesity has any health consequences as they buzz around in their mobility scooters and waddle on their canes at the NAAFA conventions.
Two of them have targeted this forum because it is weight loss and because I am here. The have infiltrated other weight loss forums to discourage dieters who desperately need to save their lives.
The obesity death toll is growing and the 10,000 loons of the fat acceptance movement are adding to it.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 02:59 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: You know there are actually a few drawbacks to losing weight.
1.) Finding anything at walmart below an XXL is a wild goose chase ( at least in my town)
2.) Say goodbye to your cold tolerance. I went in one year from a penguin that could play in the snow in jeans and a sweatshirt to a shivering chihuahua. I had to bundle up like the kids in Christmas Story just to get to work. Of course the upshot is those 97 degree days are a lot easier.
3.)You can't just plop down anywhere anymore like a rag doll. Be careful how you sit on hard surfaces until you get used to it!
4.)About to sneeze? Better hold your waistband !
5.) All that extra energy and endorphine high can make you annoyingly perky and enthusiastic.
I would advise against shopping at Walmart for ethical reasons if nothing else!
When I lost the 78 lbs prior to my wedding, I definitely felt the effects #2. Was cold *all* the #%@&! time. I wonder if that effect disappears after years of staying at a lower weight?
Tankgirl: maybe it's time to start investing in small-size sweaters!
Oh yes, and something I learned to love when I dropped the weight: Silk long undies! So comfy and so light yet keeps you warm and comfy. Wicks away sweat, too, so you don't get overheated and sticky feeling. Nice to sleep in also.
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JSABD
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 03:04 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote: Tankgirl wrote: You know there are actually a few drawbacks to losing weight.
1.) Finding anything at walmart below an XXL is a wild goose chase ( at least in my town)
2.) Say goodbye to your cold tolerance. I went in one year from a penguin that could play in the snow in jeans and a sweatshirt to a shivering chihuahua. I had to bundle up like the kids in Christmas Story just to get to work. Of course the upshot is those 97 degree days are a lot easier.
3.)You can't just plop down anywhere anymore like a rag doll. Be careful how you sit on hard surfaces until you get used to it!
4.)About to sneeze? Better hold your waistband !
5.) All that extra energy and endorphine high can make you annoyingly perky and enthusiastic.
I would advise against shopping at Walmart for ethical reasons if nothing else!
When I lost the 78 lbs prior to my wedding, I definitely felt the effects #2. Was cold *all* the #%@&! time. I wonder if that effect disappears after years of staying at a lower weight?
Tankgirl: maybe it's time to start investing in small-size sweaters!
Oh yes, and something I learned to love when I dropped the weight: Silk long undies! So comfy and so light yet keeps you warm and comfy. Wicks away sweat, too, so you don't get overheated and sticky feeling. Nice to sleep in also.
Why did you get fat again? I saw your wedding picture and you were far from lean so what was your highest weight and what is it now.
If you follow my plan 2 things can happen. You can discredit it or you will lose weight. Why not give it a shot?
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 03:27 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
If you follow my plan 2 things can happen. You can discredit it or you will lose weight. Why not give it a shot?
Chris/JSABD,
I'm only responding to you for the sake of those out there who may not be familiar with your alleged "gluttony cure".
I am not going to take you up on your "challenge" to me because I already know what your diet plan is already, having seen you try to push it on several message boards. I know it won't work for me, because it is low-protein, low-fat, high fiber, and high carb. You endorse the "China Study" diet, which is practically vegan and recommends 70% of calories from carbs. Eating like that doesn't work for me. It has *never* worked for me.
Why? Despite the high fiber content, that combination will spike and crash my blood sugar, leaving me hungry and dizzy and feeling unwell most of the time. The severe hunger I tend to experience when eating like that also predisposes me to binge and go off-plan. I need greater concentrations of fat and protein in my diet in order to feel satiated for longer and to enjoy my food. Even on a diet, it's important to me to be able to enjoy eating.
This overall approach towards dieting works for me *even* when I deliberately undereat calories.
It was exactly this sort of diet plan in concert with controlling my calories (eating around 1400 a day) worked for me back when I lost 78 lbs in about a year. My blood lipids improved dramatically too. Weekly weigh-ins at my nutritionist's office also helped, of course. Nothing like having regular accountability.
No one approach to dieting is going to work for everyone, Chris Brady/JSABD. You also keep claiming that you are the only one with a proven weight loss "cure" for overweight and obese people. That's just patently silly and flies in the face of all current obesity research. There is no "cure" for obesity. It's a chronic condition to be managed.
At the time of my wedding, I was just on the border between "overweight" and "obese", which is a realistic goal for me to reach again. I liked the way I looked and felt back then. My husband did too; he likes bigger women a la Christina Hendricks. My Primary Care Dr. tells me she would be happy just for me to get just below "obese" and down to the "overweight" category--only this time to actually stay there.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 03:37 pm |
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PuffsPlus,
I'm sure you'll reach that weight again!
The nutrient ratios you told me about (on another thread) work for you, and they stop you feeling hungry. So keep at it. We're all in this together. We'll get that weight down.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 03:46 pm |
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Not taking a 'side' on anything here, just following along with the conservation...so please don't hurt me. 
I only have a comment on the 'vegan' mention. Vegan does not necessarily = healthy and thin. You can eat 'vegan' starchy carbs + 'vegan' junk foods all day and can call oneself a vegan, but definitely gain weight.
However, a vegan-like diet such as Eat to Live may have a heavy emphasis on 'carbs' but certainly not starchy carbs that cause sugar crashes, hunger, etc. Those carbs are very limited.
I guess I just wanted to say there's different types of carbs.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 03:49 pm |
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Scoobees wrote: However, a vegan-like diet such as Eat to Live may have a heavy emphasis on 'carbs' but certainly not starchy carbs that cause sugar crashes, hunger, etc. Those carbs are very limited.
I guess I just wanted to say there's different types of carbs.
I tried being vegan for about three months as a teen. I still got those blood sugar spikes and crashes even with eating almost nothing but complex carbs, fruits, and vegetables while I was vegan. I was also eating low fat, which I know now made things worse.
Eating too many carbs, even when they are only complex carbs, can raise your blood sugar too much. My nutritionist confirmed that. At least some obesity researchers out there, like Yoni Freedhoff MD, are now recommending moderate-carb diets over high-carb (even complex carb) diets for weight loss and weight control.
That being said, perhaps some people's bodies adapt to a high carbohydrate vegan diet and do well on it. I had a coworker who went vegan for ethical reasons and she seemed to be doing OK. She isn't also doing a low-fat diet, though. For me, the "unwell" feeling, the dizziness, the extreme hunger, and the headaches didn't go away, even after three months of being solidly vegan.
Last edited on 16 Jul 2011 03:55 pm by PuffsPlus
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 03:52 pm |
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Hi Scoobees,
I'd agree with you.
In most cases, the problem isn't whether or not we eat meat, fish, eggs, etc., but whether we eat junk (white rice, white flour, sugar, etc.)
There are vegans who eat healthily, and those who don't; there are fish-eaters who eat healthily, and those who don't; there are meat-eaters who eat healthily, and those who don't.
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Scoobees
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 04:01 pm |
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Thanks IOM, you said it way better than I did. 
I guess I just tried to point out that ETL restricts those complex carbs (like grains, rice, corn, potatoes, etc); and yep, one can be an unhealthy vegan for sure.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 04:16 pm |
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Scoobees wrote:
Thanks IOM, you said it way better than I did.
I guess I just tried to point out that ETL restricts those complex carbs (like grains, rice, corn, potatoes, etc); and yep,?é?áone can?é?ábe an unhealthy vegan for sure.
You're welcome Scoobees.
I do eat meat, but not much. It's a tiny percentage of my food intake, but I do have lots of fish and eggs. It works for me. It may not work for others.
I also have rice, quinoa, and corn on the cob (which I assume from your comments are not allowed on ETL). Again they work for me, but apparently not for everybody.
The thing is, I'm eating healthier than before, and I'm getting positive results. As long as it works, I'll keep doing it. If it stops working, I'll rethink my diet.
If that happens, there are plenty of resources on this website to get me started.Last edited on 16 Jul 2011 04:16 pm by ItsOnlyMe
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Scoobees
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 04:34 pm |
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IOM - those things are 'allowed' in ETL just very limited quantities. I've tried ETL either 2 or 3 times now, but find it very difficult to make it my lifestyle. For the health benefits alone it would be great but am finding it very monotonous since I am not a very imaginitive cook.
I sooo agree with you. Finding what works for each of us is what it's all about!
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 05:16 pm |
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Thanks Scoobees for clarifying the starch thing on ETL.
Wow, you've been on this forum for three years! We're all newbies compared to you and Nir!
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 05:16 pm |
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IOM, that was just me bieng silly.For every one of those drawbacks, there's a huge benefit.
The cold tolerance is pretty easily solved with enough layers of polarfleece, even if it does make you look like one of the South Park Kids.It's worth it to be able to actually function outside duriung the summer- that's when all the best events happen. A Big thick hooded sweatshirt can be a huge help.
The clothing thing, I think it's just because I'm stuck in the middle, almost to small for the Lane Bryant specialty stuff (won't miss it), too big for the cute stuff.It'll pass
The perky thing - as annoying as it is , hub would much prefer me bouncimg off the walls from the endorphine high, babbling about how great the ride was, to me bieng back at my old weight and snoring like an Ogre.
Puffs I try to avoid Wally world but sometimes you just need dish detergent at 10pm. $80 later, you've been sucked into the "walmart vortex"(facepalm). Most of my clothes come from garage sales,because there's no sense in spending money on clothes that won't fit in a few months. After goal is a whole other story.The strategy is to spend enough on clothes to make sure I stay that size! Definitely thinking cashmere/merino once there-especially since there are merino wool tights out there, just not in plus.
Scoobee that is so true - I tried to be a vegetarian, epic fail. I was livimg on Bush's baked beans, morningstar farms "chicken" nuggets and bread,and gained 20 pounds. I didn't really start to eat vegetables ( outside of the normal salad stuff and green beans)until I went on Atkins.
JS:I would never be a member of NAAFAA.I know obesity kills, and it kills in a humiliating, gruesome way.I've seen it happen. Heck, I just dropped another size!
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 05:21 pm |
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Well done Tank Girl on dropping another size!
(Does that mean another trip to Walmart?)
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 05:46 pm |
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| Nah, I just found out on last night's trip and I've still got a few things that may work with a belt.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 05:50 pm |
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| Oops! Looks like we've hijacked his thread again!
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JSABD
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 06:49 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: Oops! Looks like we've hijacked his thread again!
No problem.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 06:51 pm |
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| Welcome back JSABD!
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suenos
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 09:59 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: . I didn't really start to eat vegetables ( outside of the normal salad stuff and green beans)until I went on Atkins.
OMG...you've just described me exactly. When I first started on this forum I was doing Atkins - hardcore by the (literal) book - and I had never eaten so many veggies in my life until then...not only so many in terms of quantity, but so many in terms of variety 'cause the "usual suspects" I had grown up with (potatoes, corn, green beans) were too high in carbs so suddenly I was eating portabella mushrooms and eggplant and zucchini and baby spinach leaves. Also it was following the Atkins diet that propelled me from someone who pretty much did not know how to cook outside of opening the box/can, to a fairly skilled "from scratch" cook.
I've been primarily (weekly fish and occasional egg) vegetarian for I guess about 9 months, and the last month or so close to vegan cause I'm experimenting with a 90% raw foods intake.
And having been on both sides of the high protein/fat vs. high carb spectrum I have to totally agree that any diet is as healthy or unhealthy as the individual wants to make it. I mean, you could be 100% vegan and snack on potato chips or you could snack on blueberries and be totally in compliance with Atkins.
Also, totally agree with Puffs on the low-fat thing. Even on a primarily raw foods intake, I don't "do" low-fat. I lost a ton of weight (as in more than 50lbs) twice in the past following "low fat" intake - and even after reaching my goal weight I was constantly hungry, constantly food obsessed, and constantly miserable - until I eventually broke down, fell off the maintenance wagon and ate my way back into being fat again. This last time, even though I transitioned (sloooowly) from Atkins, I kept the fat in my diet (just from non-meat sources) and have fairly easily maintained the loss within 15lbs for a couple of years. So now I'm like "fat-good/lowfat-evil"
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 10:07 pm |
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| Wow. That must be a lot of nuts and avocados! I'm transitioning too. I started to realize how much junk the Atkins diet allows for, and started working them out. No now for the most part I follow Primal Blueprint which is basically low carb with no grains.
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suenos
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Posted: 16 Jul 2011 10:23 pm |
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| @tankgirl: probably not as much as you'd think cause when the majority of your intake is fruit/veggie, which is naturally low in calories, it really doesn't take a lot (in terms of volumn) for hgher calorie stuff life olive oil (cold pressed), nuts, seeds to provide a fairly high fat to carb ratio.
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