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JSABD
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Posted: 12 Apr 2011 01:53 pm |
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In my opinion obesity is a symptom of gluttony.
Ask yourself for your theory on why most people today are fat and then ask yourself for your theory on why you are fat. If you are brutally honest the answer will be because we eat too much all the time.
Now ask yourself why is the behavior that causes obesity not the behavior of a glutton.
If you get honest and self-critical perhaps then you will gain the knowledge and that will make you lean and fit.
The first step to recovery is admitting exactly what the problem is. The drunk admits he is a drunk and the junkie admits he is a junkie. Do you have the courage to say the G-word?
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 25 Jul 2011 07:52 pm |
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Now that this is in a separate forum I can say this.
I was a glutton. Over and done with. Bieng a glutton these days is like being a cokehead at the height of studio 54 - who'd notice when they're too busy with their own addictions?
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 12:13 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: Now that this is in a separate forum I can say this.
I was a glutton. Over and done with. Bieng a glutton these days is like being a cokehead at the height of studio 54 - who'd notice when they're too busy with their own addictions?
Do you feel that now that you have some clean and admitted that you were a food junkie/glutton that it is easier to put those days behind you?
Do you see your self as a glutton in recovery or do you feel as though you are completely reformed?
Do you ever feel that you might "fall off the wagon"?
Was there a turning point when you knew that things were going to change?
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 03:33 am |
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1 and 2 are basically the same question so while I'd love to say "no way", and I honestly don'y know why I'd go back to eating like that, I don't want to be overconfident. If anything I'd like to be more fanatical about it as time goes on, especially once kids enter the picture. I don't miss sugar/starch and they both make me feel awful.
Do you ever feel that you might "fall off the wagon"?
The way things are, not really. There's no particular food I miss that I haven't made a healthier version of by now. However, I'm dreading the day that driving becomes a necessity.
Was there a turning point when you knew that things were going to change? It's been a progression.I forget when this happened but I remember thinking "I'm going to be on a diet the rest of my life," and then thought "and that's bad, how?"
Turning point I guess have been the times' I've fallen off and eaten donuts it was awful . you don't want details. And when I drank almost a full regular soda not realizing it wasn't diet, and decided "I'm f'ed, might as well eat ice cream like everyone else" and felt the highs/ lows.Awful. I actually have an aversion to that stuff now. Of course you know about my uncle, so I associate eating that carbage to diabetes, trapped indoors, and all the other stuff.
The rest I've just slowly lost my taste for. I know you said fatties don't need treats, but I used to like sugar free chocolate. Not a big deal anymore. Fast food, same thing. At some point I realized I could have a steak for the calories in a bunless burger, and that was it.
You know I made amends to my family and all but that was really not what did it. What did was learning to be as much of a cheapskate with calories as I am with money. Certain foods are worth the caloric "price tag" and some are not. It's not just me either. My dad stopped buying breakfast at jack in the box when they started printing calories on their drive through menu- you should have seen his face the first time he saw his breakfast sandwiches were over 1k calories a price and he was eating 2! 
The reason I used the coke comparison was because back then people didn't think there were any consequences: cocaine wasn't addictive, and there wasn't anything that you could catch from sex that a doctor couldn't fix (shaking head - sorry, Hub's watched this "Behind the Music" a few times )
Most people you confront are still thinking fat is a cosmetic or emotional issue. same ignorance or denial (can't decide) I was there too. When I started this, "health" was some vague idea -I had no clue how much it would change. It stopped being vague PDQ when Uncle/FIL's crises showed up.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:02 am |
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The problem is that the word "gluttony" carries some connotations beyond simple overeating, which is how you appear to be using the word. It connotes not just overeating, but a voracity in overeating. The etymology of the word is related to the words bite and throat.
My opinion is that the word "glutton" best applies to someone who binges and who therefore very knowingly and deliberately overeats. I don't think the word applies to people who become overweight from simple grazing, eating a couple hundred extra calories per day. Or who is overeating without realizing it.
All that being said, yes, I am a glutton. I knowingly overeat sometimes. I still have a problem with bingeing. Obviously, I'm attempting to get that under control.
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 09:38 am |
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I can prove his deep hatred of the obese with the following:
By referring to "Obesity Epidemic OR Gluttony Epidemic" this guy thinks that gluttony = obesity. What about people who suffer from bullimia? or binge eat gallons of ice cream and spits it out? Those are "bigger" gluttons than some 400 pound woman but they are normal or under weight. You don't seem to include those people as part of something wrong with the world. Maybe it just disgusts you when a fat person stuffs down a burger instead of a thin person stuffing down a burger and then thrusting her finger down to induce vomit.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 10:16 am |
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TheAntiTroll wrote: I can prove his deep hatred of the obese with the following
Oh yes, he's certainly said many hateful things about fat people in the past. One that springs to mind is that obese women should have their ovaries ripped out so they can't reproduce. He's also advocated encouraging super morbidly obese people to eat and smoke themselves to death. Another staple he's repeated several times: "fat people need their jaws wired shut and their faces slapped hard."
But how much of this does he really believe? I'm beginning to think he says them because he enjoys the shock value and the attention that saying stuff like this brings. JSABD/ CG Brady has admitted he likes being like Don Imus and Howard Stern. He actually reminds me of Ann Coulter more than those two.
At any rate, he seems to have backed off from saying the really awful and offensive stuff about fat people on here for the time being. Let's hope that trend continues.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 11:29 am |
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Antitroll, JS doesn't believe Bulimia's a real disorder.
Wait, you can like Imus AND Stern? Isn't that like liking both Jacob AND Edward?
The problem with the focus on "gluttony" is it puts too much focus on intention rather than ignorance.I ate a lot of food to get to 297, don't get me wrong, but I wish I knew how much of it came from all the coffee shakes I drank!How many people had no idea a bagel was 500-800 calories? Or look at the damage a salad can do, calorie wise- it's crazy.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 11:37 am |
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Tankgirl wrote: The problem with the focus on "gluttony" is it puts too much focus on intention rather than ignorance.
Beautifully put, yes.
It also ignores issues like compulsive behaviors. Yeah, CG Brady/JSABD paints the obese as deliberate villains who are engaged in malevolent behavior. As though fat people all have a criminal mindset towards eating and therefore deserve to be punished for it.
I think ignorance and denial are much bigger contributors to obesity than willful misbehavior. Very, very few people actually *try* to become fat.
And yeah, JSABD/Chris Brady calls bulimia "bullimia", and thinks bulimics binge and purge just so they can eat more. I have gone through periods of bulimia and that was definitely NOT true for me.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 11:47 am |
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| Puff, ever notice he can't separate a woman that's thin enough to be "Socially responsible" from someone who's his idea of a turn on?
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 12:21 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Puff, ever notice he can't separate a woman that's thin enough to be "Socially responsible" from someone who's his idea of a turn on?
I don't think that's an accident. Chris Brady/JSABD has basically stated that he considers all thin women attractive.
To be fair, judging women first and foremost by their weight is hardly unique to JSABD. From my experience, most men consider a woman's weight is the primary criterion for whether they consider her attractive or not.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 04:28 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote:
To be fair, judging women first and foremost by their weight is hardly unique to JSABD. From my experience, most men consider a woman's weight is the primary criterion for whether they consider her attractive or not.
Some men do that, but many of us don't. I'm happily married, but when I was single, most of the girls I dated were not thin. Size didn't come into it. They were still physically very attractive.
If we're talking purely physical, and keeping the personality out of it, the face would be the first thing that I would have noticed. Skinny faces are not beautiful to me. But a nice plump smiling face would have got my attention. What I've just said sounds very shallow - of course, it's the personality that really would have made the difference, even though that sounds corny.
The size / shape of someone's body isn't really a factor. Not to me anyway. But doesn't it work both ways? Don't women want to see a chiseled six-packed man?
PS - JSABD, the above does not make me a member of the Fat Acceptance Camp. I do know that obesity is unhealthy and dangerous. The above paragraphs are not saying that fat is better than thin; they're saying that attractiveness is not necessarily linked to size. Not to some men anyway. Not to me. But I do realise that attractiveness and healthiness are two different things. The only exception is when there's an extreme. Extremely skinny people are neither attractive or healthy.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 04:37 pm |
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IOM you sound lot like Hubby 
What I mean is with JS there's either two categories, hot or hated, with no middle ground.Last edited on 26 Jul 2011 05:33 pm by Tankgirl
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 05:26 pm |
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I guess we're all different shapes and sizes, and we all have different tastes, and we all define attractiveness differently, and it's this variety in the human race that makes it so amazing.
Imagine if every man only found size 8 women attractive, and if every woman only showed interest in bodybuilders. It would be dull, there would be no room for individual taste (and the future population could be in danger).
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 07:28 pm |
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ItsOnlyMe wrote: PuffsPlus wrote:
To be fair, judging women first and foremost by their weight is hardly unique to JSABD. From my experience, most men consider a woman's weight is the primary criterion for whether they consider her attractive or not.
Some men do that, but many of us don't. I'm happily married, but when I was single, most of the girls I dated were not thin. Size didn't come into it. They were still physically very attractive.
If we're talking purely physical, and keeping the personality out of it, the face would be the first thing that I would have noticed. Skinny faces are not beautiful to me. But a nice plump smiling face would have got my attention. What I've just said sounds very shallow - of course, it's the personality that really would have made the difference, even though that sounds corny.
The size / shape of someone's body isn't really a factor. Not to me anyway. But doesn't it work both ways? Don't women want to see a chiseled six-packed man?
PS - JSABD, the above does not make me a member of the Fat Acceptance Camp. I do know that obesity is unhealthy and dangerous. The above paragraphs are not saying that fat is better than thin; they're saying that attractiveness is not necessarily linked to size. Not to some men anyway. Not to me. But I do realise that attractiveness and healthiness are two different things. The only exception is when there's an extreme. Extremely skinny people are neither attractive or healthy.
To Puffs, if a woman is fat most men will reject her. This is not cultural it is evolutionary. Males seek fit females to impregnate. Men have to be aroused in order to do that.
There are exceptions to that rule. There are men who have a fat fetish and there are men who figure, "any port in a storm". Some figure fat sex is better than now sex.
To IOM
In the fat acceptance world there are very few fat men. They are not really welcomed. We joke about that on Bigger Fatter Blog. Fat Bastard says that he only "bones" skinny chicks because he's too fat to "pork" a fat girl. His pardner Proud FA only porks fat girls because it's easy and they give him stuff for doing it.
Fat men get rejected more often than fat women. I see fat women with kids all the time. I cringe but there are men willing to have sex with them. I have had male friends who would have sex with them if a more attractive woman was not available but my fat male friends rarely got laid. I could not even pass my rejects onto them. While I am better looking that most men I am no Brad Pitt but I have had fat women offer me money for sex. I felt so bad for one that I took her to see a movie and we talked about how uncomfortable it made me feel when she asked me that. It truly was not flattering. I was stalked by a few as were some of my friends. One of my best friends is/was a fat woman. Her obesity was caused by a brutal rape. We cried and hugged many times and for a long time I was the only man who could touch her. She wanted to date men but she would always go for men who she knew she could not get. She would go for gay men and married men but she would do it in her mind. Very few knew that she was interested. The good news is that she got the right counseling but it took years for her to find the right therapist. I see her as a sister and she sees me as her brother.
I never rejected her as a person and she was fat when a met her but her personality was atypical of most fat females. She is/was one of the least ego-centric people I have ever meant and she respected me enough not to want to jump my bones. To this day if I were not married and now that she is absolutely gorgeous we would not have sex because it would be like incest.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 07:50 pm |
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JSABD wrote: To Puffs, if a woman is fat most men will reject her. This is not cultural it is evolutionary. Males seek fit females to impregnate. Men have to be aroused in order to do that.
Yes, I believe you are correct. Note that "fat" is imprecise here. You seem to regard as anyone with a BMI of 25 or over as "fat", when in fact numerous studies have shown that men are typically OK with women who have up to a BMI of about 26.
BUT, you also seem to have a thing for ultra-thin women, while ultra-thinness in women is also something that repulses normal men. Women with BMI of 18-19 don't reliably ovulate; women with BMI below 18 don't ovulate. So, evolutionarily speaking, a man should reject a woman with BMI 18 in favor of one with BMI 20. Or fatten the 18 BMI girl up a bit so she can have babies.
Most men, in studies, thus prefer their women thicker and fatter than the typical actress or model. That reality is something I have never seen you acknowledge. In general men find markers of high fertility attractive in women: clear skin, youth, enough body fat but not too much.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 07:57 pm |
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JSABD wrote: Fat men get rejected more often than fat women.
In general, men get rejected by women more than vice-versa. So the fatness here has nothing to do with it.
Also, women suffer social penalties such as lower pay as compared to non-overweight women at much lower degrees of obesity than men do.
Fat actors have been much more successful in being cast as romantic leads than women have. John Candy was the romantic hero in at least a couple of movies, as was John Belushi.
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 07:58 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: IOM you sound lot like Hubby
What I mean is with JS there's either two categories, hot or hated, with no middle ground.
That is so untrue.
I don't like fancy hair and make up. I have seen pictures of Tyra Banks without make up and I like her better without it.
I like healthy looking women. To me that's hot.
Any Nicole Smith by most standards of beauty when she was lean was probably one ot the most beautiful women in the world and in spite of her dreadful personality there are women with 1/2 her looks that I find more attractive. I like Kira Sedgewick from the Closer.
There is a lot of middle ground. 18 - 23 BMI is a wide range. Anything in that range floats my boat. That means that in a woman 5' 5" I could go for one who weighs 108 - 140 pounds but if shes 140 she better have a lot of muscle or a big butt and large breasts. That is a very wide range. If a woman has a poor hip to waist ratio it's a turn off.
My ideal range is 108 to 125 or a BMI of 18 - 21. I like a narrow waist.
Here are some studies and articles you may enjoy.
http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pellison/PDFs/Jasien_narrow_2004.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narrow_waist#Intelligence
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2010-01-17-waist-sighted-blind_N.htm
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:20 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote: JSABD wrote: Fat men get rejected more often than fat women.
In general, men get rejected by women more than vice-versa. So the fatness here has nothing to do with it.
Also, women suffer social penalties such as lower pay as compared to non-overweight women at much lower degrees of obesity than men do.
Fat actors have been much more successful in being cast as romantic leads than women have. John Candy was the romantic hero in at least a couple of movies, as was John Belushi.
That statement it totally absurd and with not a shred of merit. You have a major disconnect with reality and I am not saying that to be mean. Why would you say something so untrue and absurd?
You might want to tell that to Paul Newman, Tom Cruise, Leonardo DiCaprio, the guy that played Edward Cullen, and the men on this list where there are no fat ones.- Rudolph Valentino
- Errol Flynn
- Burt Lancaster
- Charlton Heston
- Rock Hudson
- Kirk Douglas
- Gary Cooper
- Bing Crosby
- James Dean
- Douglas Fairbanks
- Henry Fonda
- Steve McQueen
- Paul Newman
- Robert Redford
- Gregory Peck
- Cary Grant
- Clark Gable
- Robert Mitchum
- James Stewart
- Peter O?óÔé¼ÔäóToole
- Marlon Brando
- Matthew McConaughhey
- Hugh Jackman
- Ryan Reynolds
- Johnny Depp
- Daniel Day Lewis
- Kevin Bacon
- Sean Connery
- Matt Damon
- George Clooney
- Brad Pitt
- Bruce Willis
- Harrison Ford
- Mel Gibson
- Pierce Brosnan
- Colin Firth
- Daniel Craig
- Orlando Bloom
- Liam Neeson
- Denzel Washington
- Robert Downey Jr.
- Ron Ely
- Johnny Weissmueller
- Sidney Poiteir
- Sir Laurence Olivier
- Jake Gyllenhaal
- Peter Fonda
- Leonardo Di Caprio
- Michael Sarrazin
- Sean Penn
I don't get rejected. In my profession men like me have the opposite problem.
In the work place fat woman are sick more often and they take more breaks and they are less productive and there are studies that prove it. The term used is presenteeism. Employers care about one thing and that is production and production means money. if obese people were more productive they would get paid more and be sought after by business.
The late John Candy was a comic actor and movies are not real life. He ate himself to death.
Belushi was portly/chubby and he was also a comic actor.
You put a guy like Tom Cruise in a bar and he will leave with phone number of every woman there. They will swoon and act like idiots. A John Candy type will get cruelly rejected by some and blown off by the rest even if he is extremely polite. I have seen it time and time again.
When I met my wife she was attracted to me physically but she had enough class to respect me as person and that along with her good looks initially attracted me to her. She has a great figure, great hair and teeth, wide hips, large breasts, narrow waist but more than that she's a class act.
I have a friend named Lou. He truly is a great guy. He's pudgy. He is not a great guy because he has to be to compensate for the fact he isn't a hard body. He really is a nice guy. Unlike fat girls guys like Lou are not envious of fit men. Lou would hang with us when I was single to snag the rejects.
This is just my opinion based on observation but from what I have seen and experienced women are 10 times more shallow than men.... And guess what.... men have feelings too.
I must be a failure as a fat hater. I have fat friends. That would be like a KKK guy having Blacks and Jews for friends. Better call the Fat Hate society and turn me in.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:25 pm |
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JSABD wrote: I don't get rejected. In my profession men like me have the opposite problem.
I wasn't referring to you, obviously. You aren't fat, right? Why would you even interject yourself or your profession here?
In general, though women on the prowl for sex are more likely to get it compared to men trying to get it from women. So I don't think the "fat men get rejected more than fat women" has anything to do with the fat guys' obesity.
Correct that movies are not real life, but how many fat women have you ever, EVER seen cast as a romantic lead in a movie? Even in a comic movie? John Candy starred in some romantic comedies aka "rom coms" wherein he got the girl at the end. Same with Belushi, although he was in some serious movies as well. And even though he was plump, he also got the girl. Both Candy and Belushi got women in real life too.
As for what you've seen in bars...who cares? That's merely your personal experience and anecdote, not hard evidence. Confirmation bias in action.
Remember: the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
Besides, I can probably match you anecdote for anecdote with competing stories. I have several fat guy friends and they had no problem getting a girl. One of my friends is probably 300 lbs, and is also married to a woman around 300 lbs. They are trying to have a baby. No problems "porking" each other there.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:29 pm |
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Lou sounds like a friend of Hubs's and mine. Sweet guy ,the only one one of Hub's coworkers that showed for our wedding. If I knew any decent women that weren't married I'd fix him up, but I know he'll be judged on his looks 
Personally I think Jack Black is picking up where Belushi, then Farley, left off. I hope he doesn't follow their example, especially he does a lot of movies that appeal to kids.
Speaking of Black, hey JS : do you think the Kung Fu Panda movies send FA messages to children?
Wait, wait wait... Kevin Bacon's on the list, but neither Christian Bale nor Gerard Butler is not? I demand a recount!
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:32 pm |
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| We can agree that the most common difference between overweight men and women is that the men can be higher in BMI and still be in societal view "attractive" than the women. Generally.
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PuffsPlus
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:35 pm |
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TheAntiTroll wrote: We can agree that the most common difference between overweight men and women is that the men can be higher in BMI and still be in societal view "attractive" than the women. Generally.
Up until a certain point. Maybe BMI 35 or so? After that degree of fatness, I think men and women are about equal on the "social stigma" meter.
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ItsOnlyMe
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 08:51 pm |
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JSABD wrote:
You put a guy like Tom Cruise in a bar and he will leave with phone number of every woman there.
No he won't!
You really believe people are that shallow?
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 09:10 pm |
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If Tom Cruise wasn't famous he would just be another lean decent looking guy around the corner and would not walk out with every woman's #.
Its true fame tips you over the scale of attractiveness (max of 10) from 7-8 to 11
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JSABD
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Posted: 26 Jul 2011 09:20 pm |
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PuffsPlus wrote: JSABD wrote: I don't get rejected. In my profession men like me have the opposite problem.
I wasn't referring to you, obviously. You aren't fat, right? Why would you even interject yourself or your profession here?
To make a point and relay personal experience
In general, though women on the prowl for sex are more likely to get it compared to men trying to get it from women. So I don't think the "fat men get rejected more than fat women" has anything to do with the fat guys' obesity.
I think fat women are more shallow than fat men. Fat men just want to be loved. Fat women think about competing and get angry and jealous when men prefer lean woman. They cattiness is quite distasteful. The fact that a fat woman and particularly a militant fat one would choose a lean man over a fat one goes way past shallow and become hypocritical. Based on what I have seen,?é?á fat women are far?é?á more likely to go for a jerk who is good looking than a chubby guy who is a prince.
Lou is a prime example. Lou have a much nicer personality than me and he is much better marriage material. IMO Lou has a better chance of hooking up with a lean woman than a fat one. Lou has been rejected so many times that he think skinny women would be even more cruel in their rejections of him. I don't think that is the case and I base that on two studies that show that fat woman have MORE "self-esteem" than the skinny ones.?é?á
Correct that movies are not real life, but how many fat women have you ever, EVER seen cast as a romantic lead in a movie? Even in a comic movie? John Candy starred in some romantic comedies aka "rom coms" wherein he got the girl at the end. Same with Belushi, although he was in some serious movies as well. And even though he was plump, he also got the girl. Both Candy and Belushi got women in real life too.
When I edited my post I told you how absurd that statement you mad was. Fat actors don't even come close and the reason is was a rom com is because it is so unlikely in reality.
As for what you've seen in bars...who cares? That's merely your personal experience and anecdote, not hard evidence. Confirmation bias in action.
Remember: the plural of "anecdote" is not "data".
When there is enough anecdotal evidence it's usually true. Bottom like is and it has been proved that fat guys don't get laid much. Fat girls get laid a whole lot more and it is not fat guys who are porking them because they don't like fat guys. So here is reality. Lean guys when desperate enough will have sex with a fat girl but fat guys end up in front of their computer screen with Rosie Palm and her 5 sisters. That's reality.
Besides, I can probably match you anecdote for anecdote with competing stories. I have several fat guy friends and they had no problem getting a girl. One of my friends is probably 300 lbs, and is also married to a woman around 300 lbs. They are trying to have a baby. No problems "porking" each other there.
Fat people have major problems with the mechanics of sex. Many fat guys are impotent and they also lack stamina. Many woman require a man who can really throw the THIS IS A FAMILY FRIENDLY FORUM, AGE 13+, PLEASE RESPECT THIS. FEEL FREE TO JOIN 18+ FORUMS IF THERE IS A NEED TO DESCRIBE SEX IN MORE DETAIL. THANKS NIR
So Puffs, obesity creates major problems in the bed room. Mr JSABD and I respect each other too much to allow ourselves to be fat. I look good for her and her alone and she does the same for me.
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McBalls
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 04:01 pm |
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Just out of curiousity, does the wife know about your online escapades, JSABD?
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 05:57 pm |
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McBalls wrote: Just out of curiousity, does the wife know about your online escapades, JSABD?
She reads this and laughs her butt off. She even adds to the posts. She has been the victim of jealous fat girls. When a whole pod of them get together and a slender woman crosses their path they get really catty. My wife is such a gentle soul that for a while she did not understand that is was typical fat girl jealousy and at the time I didn't see it that way either until a friend of ours pointed it out to us. That was about 10 years ago.
My wife is one of those people that is so nice that if you don't like her you won't like anybody. We did get a little revenge in a fun sort of way. A friend of a friend, a tall statuesque woman came out to where we were and they were and vamped their haggard hubbies in front of them. I wanted my wife to do that but she's not that theatrical. She had an epiphany but the reason she never saw that kind of jealous fat girl #%@&! is that she is just so far above it. She is very professional and this kind of #%@&! does not occur to her.
Small minded people often have big bellies. My wife is the kind of woman men like. They like the fact that she's attractive but they really like the fact that she's a class act and very pleasant. Men are happy to see her and a lot of fat girls want to be her and not just because she has me. I have a lot of friends and some have lovely wives and others are married to barbarians. One guy asked me if we would hang out with them as a couple so that his fat wife would no how to act. His wife was a major drama queen and a horrible mother. We would hang out with them but his wife would snub my wife.
Men talk to other men about their fat wives. Darn few of them have positive things to say. Many feel like they are doing time and hang in there to mitigate the damage their wives are doing to their kids but it is hard to for men to be a role model for daughter.
This guy finally left his fat wife and when he did she lost weight but it was too little too late and the damage had been done. He's with a slender woman now and she has been very good for his kids.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 06:57 pm |
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| So JS, is it the other set of grandparents that motivate you, or just seeing so many obese people out on the street? What got you started?
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 09:14 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: So JS, is it the other set of grandparents that motivate you, or just seeing so many obese people out on the street? What got you started?
I like riddles. I believed that the obesity crisis was solvable and I have solved it. That was my main motivation. I set out to see why so many others have failed and what I found is that they didn't really want to solve. Obesity is too lucrative for the medical and diet industry.
This was not any sort of humanitarian effort. When I began I tried to drop all my preconceived ideas and approach this like I was visiting earth for the first time. What I do is not based on any theories. Most of the evidence I found had already been found by others.
I figured out why diet attempts usually end in failure (that is a long story) and how to prevent those failures.
Seeing people getting fatter and fatter and seeing no end in site provided motivation for others who have worked with me. The sobering data about obesity motivated me too. Another motivation was the twisted evil that is the fat acceptance movement. I'm a social liberal. I like ethnic diversity. I'm pro-choice. I support gay marriage. I am a strong advocate for kids.
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 09:44 pm |
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| If you are pro-choice and open minded about gay marriage while you are also a liberal, how in HEL does fat acceptance movement twist you the wrong way?
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TheAntiTroll
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 09:51 pm |
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| They aren't trying to make thin people fat, they are just saying that discrimination AGAINST fat people in work/public areas should be held accountable as a OFFENSE
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 10:15 pm |
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TheAntiTroll wrote: If you are pro-choice and open minded about gay marriage while you are also a liberal, how in HEL does fat acceptance movement twist you the wrong way?
Because I don't like crazy people and liars. I put those loons in the same category as the NAZIS and the KKK. They are fat chauvinists. People who refer to themselves as BBWs, SSBBs, and BHMs are pretty twisted.
I have disdain for censorship. If I went on a KKK forum and told them they were wrong for hating Jews and Blacks I would be banned. If I go on a fat acceptance forum and tell them that HAES is total BS I would be banned. That is what liars and NAZIS do.
The movement has done a HUGE disservice to fat people by telling them that fat people can be just as healthy are lean ones. That is a total lie. 99.99999999999% of fat people think that fat acceptance in as ridiculous as I think it is. That is why there are only about 10,000 of them and that is why they had to merge with the lunatic fringe in the feminist movement..
Fat acceptance is a death cult as crazy as Marshall Applewhite, the Branch Davidians or Jim Jones and his Kool Aid drinking wackos.
They have issued me an my peeps death threats and they have done the same to others including MeMe Roth and they have threatened her kids simply because when she debates one of them she trounces them. I don't agree lockstep with MeMe but I know her heart is in the right place and she is sending the right message and she is a very decent human being.
Mostly it is because kids and the obesity crisis. Their dangers sophistries harm kids and we all have an obligation to protect children.
I am not just critical of fat acceptance I ridicule it. Ridiculous deserves ridicule.
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 10:25 pm |
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TheAntiTroll wrote: They aren't trying to make thin people fat, they are just saying that discrimination AGAINST fat people in work/public areas should be held accountable as a OFFENSE
Fat people are now 75% of the population in the US so I would like to know who all these people are who are discriminating against them.
The notion that they are victims is patently absurd. They are victims of their forks and spoons.
There is a member of this forum who on another forum compared the imagined plight of fatlings with that of the Jews during the holocaust and growing up with Jewish freinds and meeting holocaust survivors (none of whom were fat so so much for dieting make you fat BS) I was particularly offended by the vulgar comparison. The make similar comparisons with Blacks of the civil rights era. They day they have a Martin Luther King or a Medgar Evers is the day I might take them seriously. Their leadership is more like David Duke... slick liars who are full of fecal matter and hate.
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Posted: 28 Jul 2011 11:40 pm |
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Their leadership, to me, is more like Dan Quayle. 
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JSABD
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Posted: 29 Jul 2011 03:49 pm |
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McBalls wrote: Their leadership, to me, is more like Dan Quayle.
I don't agree. Dan Quayle was stupid but he wasn't delusional or dishonest. Dan Quayle was more like one of their followers who parrots their sick propaganda.
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McBalls
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Posted: 29 Jul 2011 06:23 pm |
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True that. 
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 2 Aug 2011 04:24 am |
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Something I still just don't get.
A Twinkie is gluttony , but a whole pan of green beans is not? Or a pound of asparagus?
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JSABD
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Posted: 2 Aug 2011 03:05 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote: Something I still just don't get.
A Twinkie is gluttony , but a whole pan of green beans is not? Or a pound of asparagus?
Twinkie is a pleasure food and as a rare treat not gluttony.
Try eating a pound of raw asparagus or green beans. It will take some effort. Twinkies are easy to eat.
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| Raw green beans? no thanks. I grill either and eat them like French fries. It fits easily within the calorie guidelines, but it sure seems like pigging out.
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 06:01 pm |
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The point is that if you ate them raw, you would eat the 'right amount'. You'd start eating when you were hungry and it you'd lose interest when you were no longer hungry. You would not be reliant on a calculator to work out how much you can "get away with".
I now deliberately try to make my eating less of a celebration.
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 06:21 pm |
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Nir, how do you manage to even eat enough calories to maintain your current weight? Especially with the workouts?
Personally, tracking for me isn't a matter of what I can get away with, as a matter of a fact I've given up on trying to make my minimum calories, as long as I don't go over. Accountability is only part of it.It's interesting to see where the calories come from, and look for strategies to do better. After I finish losing the weight, We're going to try for a kid, so tracking nutrients/calories seems even more important. LOL, I think I'm turning into a CRON geek!
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JSABD
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Posted: 3 Aug 2011 11:24 pm |
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CRON is an admirable pursuit.
In general when people choose "difficult" foods to eat they chew longer. The brain catches up to the cues that let us know we are sated. An orange takes a long time to eat compared to a cubic inch of cheese. The cubic inch of cheese has twice as many calories.
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| LOl, It's not such a big thing. I just have been watching the way my grandmother aged the last 20 years. She's never been overweight, but loved her sugars. I wonder a lot if this caused the mental deterioration over that time. It's just an experiment : I wonder how I would turn out at her age, (If I make it) If I stopped eating almost all processed food? It couldn't hurt.
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Nir
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Posted: 4 Aug 2011 06:54 am |
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Nir, how do you manage to even eat enough calories to maintain your current weight? Especially with the workouts?
coming from a fully-track-everything background (2006-2010) I am slowly transitioning into tracking-as-required method.
As such I create and consume a large quantity of produce (it is a 4 litre container, roughly the size of a shoebox, containing a mixture of raw vegetables (about 1 litre), cooked beans (300 grams, different types), half avocado, chopped up fruit, cooked white potato and sweet potato and a teaspoon each of every type of seeds, nuts and dried fruit I have available. Weight is between 1.5kg and 2kg, volume is between 3 and 4 litres and calories are probably 800-1000 though I do not count this mixture. It is definitely "enough food".
But obviously 800-1000 is not enough calories and I do have muscle gain objective so what I do is supplement with some calorie-dense food. This I eat as a separate evening meal. I currently count 1600 calories in any combination of rolled oats, air-popped popcorn, raw peanuts and budget muesli. I also add (uncounted) sprinkle of spice mix, 2 teaspoon raisins, 1 teaspoon salted peanuts. Popcorn gets eaten separately - the rest gets mixed in together. As I progressively add more food to the "uncounted" portion of the day I can make adjustments to the counted portion - this was 2500 in December and has gradually come down.
The most processed foods I eat are the raisins (3 tsp a day), salted peanuts (1 tsp a day) and muesli (currently about 100g). Nothing else has an ingredient list.
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Nir
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Posted: 5 Aug 2011 07:50 am |
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This man was once 700lb and is now a normal weight (tells his life story - what do you think?)
http://www.oalaig.org/speakers/harlanp-1.mp3
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Posted: 6 Aug 2011 01:52 pm |
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| I don't think so. I think it's just hardwired on a genetic level for some people :/
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JSABD
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Posted: 7 Aug 2011 02:38 am |
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Florista wrote: I don't think so. I think it's just hardwired on a genetic level for some people :/
Our brains don't have wires.
His does.
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Posted: 29 Jul 2012 10:16 pm |
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Just adding a thought to the "ignorance vs gluttony" idea- anyone notice there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the calories in processed foods?
It's not an excuse, but I hate it when a food manufacturer labels one package of something as multiple servings: granola bars, cookies, etc.Unless someone is keeping an eye out for this trick they'll really mess themselves up.
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JSABD
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Posted: 30 Jul 2012 03:03 am |
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Mrs_Slowski wrote: Just adding a thought to the "ignorance vs gluttony" idea- anyone notice there seems to be no rhyme or reason to the calories in processed foods?
It's not an excuse, but I hate it when a food manufacturer labels one package of something as multiple servings: granola bars, cookies, etc.Unless someone is keeping an eye out for this trick they'll really mess themselves up.
I don't like giving fatlings an excuse or a scapegoat but the food companies are disgraceful. They are deceptive.
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