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CG Brady
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Posted: 31 Jan 2010 05:06 pm |
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How High Self-Esteem Keeps You Fat 
A new study sheds light on why some women find it difficult to lose weight. When obese women have positive self-image, 1 in 5 will choose a silhouette of an obese woman as being at her ?óÔé¼?ôideal?óÔé¼?Ø body weight.
This study also supports other research that has shown that fat people tend to have fat friends. Alcoholics or drug addicts who are overcoming addiction are taught to get rid of the friends that enable their dangerous behaviors.
Maybe a person on a diet needs to do the same?
n research published in the May issue of the American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynecology, Temple researchers studied the body image perceptions of 81 underweight, normal weight, overweight or obese women in the North Philadelphia area and found that as their body mass index (BMI) increased, two-thirds of the women still felt they were at an ideal body size.
"So the question for doctors then becomes, 'How can we effectively treat our overweight and obese patients, when they don't feel they're in harm's way?'" said study researcher Marisa Rose, M.D., assistant professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences in the Temple University School of Medicine. "It stresses a need for culturally sensitive education for this population."
All participants were measured for height and weight and completed an anonymous survey to determine their self-perceived, current and ideal body sizes. Each woman was then shown an illustration of different-sized women that correlated with increasing BMIs, and were asked which size they felt they were at currently, and what their ideal would be.
While most of the participants selected illustrations of women in the normal to overweight range, about 20 percent of the obese women selected an overweight or obese silhouette as their ideal body shape. Further, 68 percent (15 out 22) of overweight participants and 84 percent (26 of 31) of obese women underestimated their current BMI. African-American and Hispanic women had significantly underestimated their current body size, while the white women overestimated.
Rose and her fellow researchers say this is the first study to evaluate body image discrepancy specifically in the inner-city population of women seeking gynecologic care.
"For this group, gynecologists often serve as the primary care provider as well," said Rose. "As more women become obese and overweight, it becomes critical for gynecologists to know how to talk to their patients about the adverse effects of obesity."
The researchers say that their next course of action is to determine from a more diverse population whether the trend of women incorrectly perceiving their body size extends to most underweight, overweight and obese women or whether the trend is specific to the inner-city population.
"Informing our patients about the dangers of obesity, even when they feel they're not at risk, can help empower them to change their lifestyles and lead healthier lives," said Rose.
Other authors on the study were: Sushma Potti, M.D.; Marina Milli, M.D.; Stacey Jeronis, M.D.; and John P. Gaughan, Ph.D of Temple University School of medicine.
I have other studies. I have a study that shows that fat people have higher self esteem than slender people. I know this flies in the face of today's politically correct pseudo-science and fantasy psycho-babble but the scientific data shows that self esteem is highr among fatlings than thinlings.
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MonsterBelle
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Posted: 1 Feb 2010 02:26 am |
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Fascinating! The small size of the study makes it difficult to generalize its results, but it raises several important questions/concerns.
First, it would be interesting to see whether or not underweight and "normal" women with high self-esteem selected underweight and "normal" silhouettes, respectively, as their ideals. If so, it would seem that high self-esteem simply leads women to think of their own body type as ideal (which one might expect).
Secondly, it is worth noting that, while the study found that 20% of the obese women selected obese or overweight silhouettes as their ideal, 80% of them did NOT. So, apparently most of the obese women in the study recognized that their body type was not ideal. (Whether or not they chose smaller silhouettes for aesthetic or health reasons, of some combination of the two, would be worth finding out, too.)
Anyway, provocative post! 
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CG Brady
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Posted: 1 Feb 2010 03:40 am |
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By Roberta Temes, PhD
Did you know that the idea of a fat person having low self esteem is a myth? Humans come in various shapes and sizes. Every psychological test given to overweight people indicates that if you are fat you are as mentally healthy, or unhealthy, as anyone in the general population. There is nothing about overeating that is associated with poor emotional health. In fact, it is more likely that obese people are emotionally stronger than slim people because many slim folks who were interviewed said they'd stay at home if they were obese.. they would not have the psychological fortitude to be seen in public if they were heavy.
  
There was a time, right here in the USA, when only the most successful folks were heavy and everyone else tried to emulate them. Large bodies were proof of robust health and substantial wealth. But, in America in the 21st century fat is out, thin is in.
Obesity is [size=not] a psychological disorder. Obesity is not an eating disorder. Fat people have a genetic predisposition to gain weight and if they wish to conform to today's ideal of slimness and if they want to maintain good health, they must counteract their inborn biological impulses. This is possible. Difficult, but possible. Particularly possible if you have a diet buddy or buddies.
Our genes may give us the capacity and tendency to eat much and gain much, but it is our environment, our habits, that permit the tendency to flourish. Thankfully, we can change our environment and thus fool Mother Nature. You can be a slim person, after all. You can counteract your inborn biologic capacity.
Dr. Jules Hirsch, the famous obesity researcher at Rockefeller University, says that obesity should be treated as a chronic disease for which there is no cure but for which there are management techniques. And those techniques do work. But, it's up to you to apply them every day.
You override your genetic destiny when you eat when you are not hungry or when you eat only low-calorie foods when you are hungry. It's the gene that opens your mouth that is responsible for overeating.
In my practice everyone who wants to lose weight does lose because we add hypnosis to the mix. Hypnotic suggestions make it easier to stick to whatever program you decide to follow. And it is crucial to follow a program. Talk to others and find out about a program that may be new to you. Remember, any diet program will work if you follow it.
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The above article makes a whole lot of sense and the fact that low self esteem is never revealed in any of the psychometric really confirms the fact that fat people to not have low self esteem. It's another excuse.
I have given personality tests to anorexics, bulimics and fat people. I found that the ones with the low self esteem are the true anorexics. They are a pitiful bunch and they need our compassion and understanding. Anyone who would starve herself to death really does suffer from self loathing. Fat people on the other hand will not deny themselves even the smallest pleasure derived form food for very long. Everyday they treat themselves with tasty treats they are reinforcing their already strong sense of entitlement whereas the true anorexic feels unworthy. You can even see this through casual observation. The anorectic will easily deny herself. A repeated pattern of that sort of self abuse only makes her disorder worse. The glutton will constantly reward herself for no remarkable reason with the pleasure of food. One is a form of negative reinforcement in the case of the anorectic and positive reinforcement in the case of the glutton. When the pattern of reinforcement goes on day after day and year after year the patterns because entrenched in the psyche and the neurology of both the glutton and the anorectic. That is why the cure rate is so low especially for gluttony. We have been using the wrong methods.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 04:16 pm |
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This needed to be bumped up a notch.
Self esteem is a disease. I know a lot of fat girls like to whine and complain because because real men don't like fat girls and fattitude but instead of turning that into themselves and becoming the women real men like they blame these men simply for being real men. They call them shallow when it is the fat girls that are the shallow ones.
People with "low self esteem" or feeling of worthlessness are generally passive and docile. Fat girls are aggressive and mouthy. They lack humility and they think that they are just #%@&! wonderful. They call themselves BBWs or SSBBW's Big Beautiful Women or Super Sized Big Beautiful Women. Not only is that delusional but if is egoistic. They are so egotistical that they will not accept the fact that the deplorable condition of their bodies is their fault and some are so delusional and drunk with ego that they don't believe that their bodies are deplorable and ugly.
Fat boys are not quite as bad but they, like fat girls, like to throw their weight around and come off as large and in charge. At least one that has a shed of manliness left will not try to argue the fact that their gluttony caused them to become fat and unattractive but rarely will a fat boy do anything about it because porn and food fill their needs for a real woman for whom they don't have the ambition to become physically fit. Fat girls generally don't like fat boys so the fat boys settle for a big bag of pork rinds and Rosie Palm and her fives sisters.
This fat girl thinks she's all that and a bag of chips. She's perfectly fine with the deplorable body she created.
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Bamagirly
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 04:36 pm |
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| I see exactly what you are talking about with the BBW types who flaunt their fatness. They definitely have the "fattitude". But what about the more naive girls who try to hide the fat with baggy clothes and play down their looks. What is the psyche at work there and how do you deal with them?
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 05:25 pm |
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Bamagirly wrote: I see exactly what you are talking about with the BBW types who flaunt their fatness. They definitely have the "fattitude". But what about the more naive girls who try to hide the fat with baggy clothes and play down their looks. What is the psyche at work there and how do you deal with them?
Hiding it only increases their denial but when some horny guy comes along and tells then they are "hot" or he has a fetish for fat those shrinking violets will flaunt it.
There are some fat women and men with eating disorders who feel badly about it. Back when the obesity rate was 3% most of those people had an ED and there really did feel bad about themselves. Run of the mill gluttons are another story.
Some fat girls are modest and deep down they know they look hideous and that's a good thing. The ones who flaunt the flab are in deeper denial. They are so egoistic that when some loser guy tells them they look good they believe it. The literally get their cake and eat too. The get to believe that they are a womanly woman and they get to eat like a pig. They love it. That makes them happier than most people and in this hooray for me and screw you world it's all about being "HAPPY". You don't have to be a good mother or wife just so long as you are happy.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 06:46 pm |
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"Secondly, it is worth noting that, while the study found that 20% of the obese women selected obese or overweight silhouettes as their ideal, 80% of them did NOT. So, apparently most of the obese women in the study recognized that their body type was not ideal."
There is one really fat girl that I know who seems to embrace her fatness and she is one of the mouthiest people I know. Maybe she hates how she looks inside but if so you wouldn't know it, she thinks she's Gods gift. All the other fat women I know, know that they are fat and that they don't look attractive. The 80% seeing themselves as not having an ideal body type seems true.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 06:56 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: "Secondly, it is worth noting that, while the study found that 20% of the obese women selected obese or overweight silhouettes as their ideal, 80% of them did NOT. So, apparently most of the obese women in the study recognized that their body type was not ideal."
There is one really fat girl that I know who seems to embrace her fatness and she is one of the mouthiest people I know. Maybe she hates how she looks inside but if so you wouldn't know it, she thinks she's Gods gift. All the other fat women I know, know that they are fat and that they don't look attractive. The 80% seeing themselves as not having an ideal body type seems true.
As soon as some pathetic guy come along who has a blubber fetish and porks then they will think they are queens.
Stop hanging around other fat girls. They are they to drag you down. You know I'm right. If you are a glutton in recovery you have to avoid other gluttons.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 07:03 pm |
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My best friend of over 20 years is overweight and there is no way that I am going to stop talking to her or stop hanging around her. She has actually been losing weight the past several months and I think that my weight loss inspired her to get moving on her own. I will not abandon her and she does not bring me down. I'm happy that she is losing weight.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:10 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: My best friend of over 20 years is overweight and there is no way that I am going to stop talking to her or stop hanging around her.
Why do you suppose she has been fat for 20 years. If you were her true friend you would be honest with her and tell her that you need to stop
She has actually been losing weight the past several months and I think that my weight loss inspired her to get moving on her own.
It's called competition but eventually you will call a truce in the battle of the bulge and lie to each other ans you play cheerleader and tell each other how good you both look hoping that you will both lose the urgency and return to your usual gluttonous ways.
I will not abandon her and she does not bring me down.
This is called co-dependency. She does not need you so stop stroking your ego and you do not need her. You can resume your relationship when you both get healthy. You to are no different than any other substance abuser.
I'm happy that she is losing weight.
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This is called co-dependency. She does not need you so stop stroking your ego and you do not need her. You can resume your relationship when you both get healthy. You to are no different than any other substance abuser.
Fat boys are different. They hang out with lean men to get the rejects
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:23 pm |
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| I disagree.
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JSABD
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:41 pm |
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MichelleP wrote: I disagree.
Sure you do and Coors light tastes like real beer.
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MichelleP
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Posted: 18 Aug 2011 08:43 pm |
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| I do disagree but I do agree that Coors light does not taste like real beer.
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JSABD
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Posted: 20 Aug 2011 04:58 pm |
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Perhaps someday MichelleP we can enjoy a virtual beer and toast your victory over fattitude. Perhaps.
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Mrs_Slowski
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 04:07 pm |
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So overweight/obese people have the emotional strength to get it together and go out every day to work and live their lives. That's bad HOW? Would you rather pay their disability checks so they could stay home writing letters to Richard Simmons?
How is someone supposed to have the self confidence to be productive if you convince them they're a fat, worthless tub-o-lard? Heaven help them if they're unemployed!
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JSABD
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 04:16 pm |
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Mrs_Slowski wrote: So overweight/obese people have the emotional strength to get it together and go out every day to work and live their lives. That's bad HOW? Would you rather pay their disability checks so they could stay home writing letters to Richard Simmons?
How is someone supposed to have the self confidence to be productive if you convince them they're a fat, worthless tub-o-lard? Heaven help them if they're unemployed!
EGO and FOOD LUST!
Many fatlings are not productive.
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Mrs_Slowski
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Posted: 28 Mar 2012 12:07 am |
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I'll give you this, you're consistent.
So the only reason a "fatty" shows up at work is so that they can have money to buy fast food on the way home?, and their company is better off without them?
Are you sure you're not a writer for Family Guy?
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Mar 2012 12:57 am |
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Mrs_Slowski wrote: I'll give you this, you're consistent.
So the only reason a "fatty" shows up at work is so that they can have money to buy fast food on the way home?, and their company is better off without them?
Are you sure you're not a writer for Family Guy?
Fatties are less productive. They don't work hard and they get sick more often. Obesity has many co-morbid features.
Google the costs of obesity and you will find plenty of data that supports what I say.
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Mrs_Slowski
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Posted: 28 Mar 2012 01:36 am |
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| And of course anyone over BMI 22.9 is a fatling, glutton,etc, so they might as well be 300 pounds?
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JSABD
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Posted: 28 Mar 2012 02:17 am |
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Mrs_Slowski wrote: And of course anyone over BMI 22.9 is a fatling, glutton,etc, so they might as well be 300 pounds?
It really depends on how blubbery they are. When a woman gets into the 23 range she is not at her best in most cases. IMO most women look best at 19 bmi or lower.
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