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CG Brady
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 06:26 pm |
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OK I admit it. I am an oxygen addict. I am out of control. I breath the stuff everyday! I am not so hard core that I have an oxygen tank. I just get my oxygen out of the air. HELP! This is hopeless. I even enjoy breathing clean fresh air and I horde oxygen by holding my breath when I swim underwater.
I am also a food addict. I use it every day so I guess than make me a food addict to.
Folks food addiction is a myth. What is the worst thing that could happen if you ate a moderate amount of food everyday. Would you get the DTs? Would you have seizures? What would the withdrawal symptoms be? Hallucinations? Tremors? Vomiting? Flu like symptoms?
People who overeat simply like doing it. Unlike the heroine addict they don't need a "fix". They simply enjoy junk food so they eat it.
You are not a food addict and if you say you are you are making excuses. What you put in your shopping cart, is a choice. What you put in your mouth is a choice. There are no dire consequences to eat an orange instead of a candy bar.
Stop making excuses!
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tourproven
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 06:55 pm |
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| Just because you are not addicted to food, you cannot understand how others could be. You know NOTHING about what you speak of. Are you only here to try to p*ss people off?
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AnneMarie
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 07:01 pm |
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yeah brady, look, maybe its not that easy ok? maybe some people cant help the fact that they think about food 24-7. some people share houses with others and there is always something naughty in the cupboard... you coming along and telling people that this is all rubbish and people are fat because they want to is not helping at all. If you want to help try suggesting healthy things to replace fast food and chocolate snacks. Okay I understand that we all have a choice, but 9 times out of 10 if you have an orange in one hand and a candy bar in the other the candy bar is screaming eat me! And in our heads were saying to ourselves that we should eat the orange. Its pure determination....the people who choose the orange will feel proud of themselves, but that doesnt mean that theyre not going to be thinking about the candy bar while theyre eating the orange. Does anybody agree with me?
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Nir
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Posted: 26 Jan 2010 07:51 pm |
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CG Brady wrote: Folks food addiction is a myth. [..] Unlike the heroine addict they don't need a "fix".
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The crux of your argument is that you do not believe that a behaviour can be addicting, or that you refuse to accept that the baviour can be classified as an addiction, unless there are physical withdrawl symptoms. Have I got that right, is that it?
What do you say to people addicted to gambling behaviour?
I'm not one of those, but in December 2003, after several failed attempts, I was able to finally give up television. Previously I had a complex array of devices (VCRs and DVRs - 8 in all), 700 tapes, typically recording 40 hours of programming every day. The activity consumed almost all my time (including a lot of work time - I was in full time employment!). It wasn't a physical addiction. At times I resolved to stop the destructive behaviour but repeatedly got pulled back.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 05:17 am |
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tourproven wrote: Just because you are not addicted to food, you cannot understand how others could be. You know NOTHING about what you speak of. Are you only here to try to p*ss people off?
It's worse! I'm addicted to oxygen.
You are not #%@&! because I am trying to piss you off. You are already #%@&! off. You are #%@&! because I busted a myth and a logical fallacy. Now dieters can't use that as an excuse. They will have to get more creative if they want to pull the wool.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 05:58 am |
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Nir wrote: CG Brady wrote: Folks food addiction is a myth. [..] Unlike the heroine addict they don't need a "fix".
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The crux of your argument is that you do not believe that a behaviour can be addicting, or that you refuse to accept that the baviour can be classified as an addiction, unless there are physical withdrawl symptoms. Have I got that right, is that it?
What do you say to people addicted to gambling behaviour?
I'm not one of those, but in December 2003, after several failed attempts, I was able to finally give up television. Previously I had a complex array of devices (VCRs and DVRs - 8 in all), 700 tapes, typically recording 40 hours of programming every day. The activity consumed almost all my time (including a lot of work time - I was in full time employment!). It wasn't a physical addiction. At times I resolved to stop the destructive behaviour but repeatedly got pulled back.
Behaviors cannot be addictive. They could be a result of OCD but they are not an addiction.
Gambling is not an addiction and it should not be treated as one. IMO it is another form of OCD. That is why it is called compulsive gambling.
Habits are very different than addictions. Bad eating and lifestyle habits can be reformed if the person is willing to put forth a little effort and get honest. It's in part a moral issue. Gluttony is indeed a moral failing. Society excuses and absolves it so people have no moral incentive to stop. In the US most people are fat and the US is a greedy gluttonous consumer of everything. The French are right when they call us ugly Americans but the French are a bunch of wimps but French women are hot!
See what I mean?
Gluttony is complex. A glutton is constantly rewarding himself with tasty and easy food. What would be a treat for a normal person is standard fare for the glutton. They are constantly reinforcing their sense of entitlement. They know what they are doing is irresponsible yet they do regardless of the consequences.
Another myth I will bust goes to self esteem and obesity. The obese in fact have higher self esteem than the general population. I can post a few studies that bear this out but for now I will explain why they have what is commonly referred to as high self esteem. Let's take the fat woman. Here in the US fat women behave like
S L U T S. They refer to themselves as BBW (Big Beautiful Women) or SSBBW of Super Sized BBW's. The refer to their fat folds as curves and the say that lean women are not real women. In fact in the US lean women are fair game for the put downs and insults of nasty fat girls.
Fat women are more aggressive. I thought it was something I had only imagined. When I played in clubs as a musician I watched how they acted. I was offered money to have sex with them as were other members of my band. I decided to look into why fat girls are so aggressive and promiscuous and I found that because they are fat the have more estrogen and testosterone than normal women. The have less self control. (that's obvious) Because they have more testosterone they are less inhibited and more willing to take risks. That is why they often act like harlots. Fat men are just the opposite.
I know that the girls here are going to cry foul. I can prove everything I said and you can prove it to yourselves. Use Google image unfiltered and type in words like Chubby, Fat Girl, Obese, Plump, BBW, Obese Woman ect and you will see nothing but smut. If you use the words Slender, Skinny, Lean Woman, Anorexic ect.. you will get very little smut.
If fat girls had low self esteem they would not have the psychological fortitude to be seen in public dressed like harlots.
I know that some people don't like the word glutton but I don't think any fat person can make an honest argument that they are not a glutton. I contend that all fat people are gluttons. I would like to see a convincing argument explaining why they are not.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 06:08 am |
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AnneMarie wrote: yeah brady, look, maybe its not that easy ok? maybe some people cant help the fact that they think about food 24-7. some people share houses with others and there is always something naughty in the cupboard... you coming along and telling people that this is all rubbish and people are fat because they want to is not helping at all. If you want to help try suggesting healthy things to replace fast food and chocolate snacks. Okay I understand that we all have a choice, but 9 times out of 10 if you have an orange in one hand and a candy bar in the other the candy bar is screaming eat me! And in our heads were saying to ourselves that we should eat the orange. Its pure determination....the people who choose the orange will feel proud of themselves, but that doesnt mean that theyre not going to be thinking about the candy bar while theyre eating the orange. Does anybody agree with me?
I did know that candy bars can talk let alone scream. 
It's called restraint. You have a choice and you choose bad foods with a little extra flavor and I choose responsible food that are actually more satisfying.
You may want to decide whether of are eating to live or living to eat. You are not the victim here so stop portraying yourself as one.
?óÔé¼?ôWorthless people live only to eat and drink; people of worth eat and drink only to live.?óÔé¼?Ø
Socrates
I guess Socrates was a fat hater.
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Nir
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 08:50 am |
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CG Brady wrote: Nir wrote: What do you say to people addicted to gambling behaviour?
Behaviors cannot be addictive. They could be a result of OCD but they are not an addiction.
Gambling is not an addiction and it should not be treated as one. IMO it is another form of OCD. That is why it is called compulsive gambling.
I think gluttony is a charge that can be levelled at some proportion of people - the people who "rationally" chose instant gratification.
Yet I don't think this ostritch-like behaviour of yours, essentially pretending that eating disorders do not exist, is helpful. The first step to doing something about a problem is realising that you have one and you are trying to tell people that they have one type of problem when they may well have the other. (How would you feel if your doctor treated your diabetes as if it was astma? probably not delighted)
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Nir
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 09:38 am |
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CG Brady wrote: Another myth I will bust goes to self esteem and obesity. The obese in fact have higher self esteem than the general population. I can post a few studies that bear this out but for now I will explain why they have what is commonly referred to as high self esteem. Let's take the fat woman. Here in the US fat women behave like
S L U T S. They refer to themselves as BBW (Big Beautiful Women) or SSBBW of Super Sized BBW's. The refer to their fat folds as curves and the say that lean women are not real women. In fact in the US lean women are fair game for the put downs and insults of nasty fat girls.
Fat women are more aggressive. I thought it was something I had only imagined. When I played in clubs as a musician I watched how they acted. I was offered money to have sex with them as were other members of my band. I decided to look into why fat girls are so aggressive and promiscuous and I found that because they are fat the have more estrogen and testosterone than normal women. The have less self control. (that's obvious) Because they have more testosterone they are less inhibited and more willing to take risks. That is why they often act like harlots. Fat men are just the opposite.
I know that the girls here are going to cry foul. I can prove everything I said and you can prove it to yourselves. Use Google image unfiltered and type in words like Chubby, Fat Girl, Obese, Plump, BBW, Obese Woman ect and you will see nothing but smut. If you use the words Slender, Skinny, Lean Woman, Anorexic ect.. you will get very little smut.
If fat girls had low self esteem they would not have the psychological fortitude to be seen in public dressed like harlots.
Even if what you suggest above is true, you have to come to terms with the idea that this forum does not attract large people who wish to parade their size but those who wish to do something about it, so if you hope to meet those Big Beatiful Women (do you?) you might have to go elsewhere, unfortunate isn't it.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 01:34 pm |
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Nir wrote: CG Brady wrote: Another myth I will bust goes to self esteem and obesity. The obese in fact have higher self esteem than the general population. I can post a few studies that bear this out but for now I will explain why they have what is commonly referred to as high self esteem. Let's take the fat woman. Here in the US fat women behave like
S L U T S. They refer to themselves as BBW (Big Beautiful Women) or SSBBW of Super Sized BBW's. The refer to their fat folds as curves and the say that lean women are not real women. In fact in the US lean women are fair game for the put downs and insults of nasty fat girls.
Fat women are more aggressive. I thought it was something I had only imagined. When I played in clubs as a musician I watched how they acted. I was offered money to have sex with them as were other members of my band. I decided to look into why fat girls are so aggressive and promiscuous and I found that because they are fat the have more estrogen and testosterone than normal women. The have less self control. (that's obvious) Because they have more testosterone they are less inhibited and more willing to take risks. That is why they often act like harlots. Fat men are just the opposite.
I know that the girls here are going to cry foul. I can prove everything I said and you can prove it to yourselves. Use Google image unfiltered and type in words like Chubby, Fat Girl, Obese, Plump, BBW, Obese Woman ect and you will see nothing but smut. If you use the words Slender, Skinny, Lean Woman, Anorexic ect.. you will get very little smut.
If fat girls had low self esteem they would not have the psychological fortitude to be seen in public dressed like harlots.
Even if what you suggest above is true, you have to come to terms with the idea that this forum does not attract large people who wish to parade their size but those who wish to do something about it, so if you hope to meet those Big Beatiful Women (do you?) you might have to go elsewhere, unfortunate isn't it.
I think there are people here who are fat acceptance members who are posting outrageous but somewhat believable propaganda. They promote the idea that a person can gain weight on 900 calories. They promote a lie called HAES (Health At Every Size)
The fat acceptance movement in the US is growing. (pun intended) Like the teabaggers they are anti-fact, anti-truth and anti-science.
Most everything that the diet industry and the fat acceptance movement promotes is based in fantasy or theory. Anything I promote is based on known facts and scientific certainties.
Psychologists think up disorders and they label people with them. Psychology is not a hard science. It is IMO a substitute for religion and it is nearly as absurd. There is one school of psychology that works and it is called rational emotive therapy. The basis of it is for the therapist to challenge the irrational thought, beliefs and action of clients. The notion of food addiction is irrational. The notion of heroine addiction is not. There is no credible science behind food addiction. We know what happens to the brain.
If you take a heroine addict of heroine they get very sick from withdrawal. When a person abruptly stops SSRIs they can die. Nobody every died from eating healthy low calorie food instead of junk food. They eat junk food because they want to. The money grubbing and clueless shrinks provide gluttons with an excuse.
Eating disorders are rare. The only real eating disorder is anorexia nervousa. Bulimia is BULLimia. BULLimia is gluttony with vomiting so they can eat more sooner.
There may be some components of addiction to gluttony but it is not an addiction. If food is an addiction then we are all food addicts. It really is a matter of choice. They buy junk food and then they eat it. If they did not buy and did not eat nothing bad would happen to them. The idea of food addiction is absurd. It is an imaginary disease created to absolve gluttons.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 01:55 pm |
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Nir wrote: CG Brady wrote: Nir wrote: What do you say to people addicted to gambling behaviour?
Behaviors cannot be addictive. They could be a result of OCD but they are not an addiction.
Gambling is not an addiction and it should not be treated as one. IMO it is another form of OCD. That is why it is called compulsive gambling.
I think gluttony is a charge that can be levelled at some proportion of people - the people who "rationally" chose instant gratification.
Yet I don't think this ostritch-like behaviour of yours, essentially pretending that eating disorders do not exist, is helpful. The first step to doing something about a problem is realising that you have one and you are trying to tell people that they have one type of problem when they may well have the other. (How would you feel if your doctor treated your diabetes as if it was astma? probably not delighted)
Humans suck. Look at the world. Most humans take the path of least resistance. The human general in an ignoble creature capable of more harm than good. While we may have the potential to function on a higher plane than the animals more often than not we choose to behave worse than animals.
Gluttony is not a charge. It's real. It is societal. Look what it did to the Roman Empire. Look what it is doing to the US. Gluttony is not limited to food but when one is a food glutton it shows. What they eat in private shows up in public.
If I were to take a "food addict" and lock them in a jail and feed them a normal amount of food nothing would happen other than they would lose weight. They might get a bit antcy but it would be minor and if they thought about something less selfish than their pleasure and considered the negative effect their behaviors have on others they would not have become gluttons is the first place.
Let's take the first step of the 12 step program for alcoholics. They admit that they are alcoholics, drunks, lushes boozers... I have cured many people and once they are reformed they willingly admit that they were gluttons. Once they reform is is much more difficult for the to return to their selfish and hedonistic ways. Obesity is in part the result of a moral failing. The so called inability to reform is also in a large part a moral failing.
Because gluttony is a social issue and an issue of personal responsibility stigmatizing gluttony works. Drunks are not good people and they actually have an excuse for their behavior. Alcohol addiction is rare. Most drunks are not alcohol addicts. They are simply drunks. Most who stop do not have withdrawal. Alcoholism has some neurological components that are stronger than gluttony but it is still not an addiction and neither is eating junk food all the time. It is a chosen behavior and a habit that most people are unwilling to break in spite of the consequences to themselves and others.
This is a whole other way of looking at it but what I do works and what the diet industry does fails. It's simple, I'm right and they are wrong. I am not claiming to have all the answers but I have more answers than they do and the reason I do is because I took my blinders of and looked.
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Tontus
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Posted: 27 Jan 2010 05:18 pm |
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Wow, you cured alcoholism, and in that other thread the other jackass apparently has a cure for baldness. The 2 of you should get together and start doing infomercials. You can be just like the "you'll love my nuts" guy. 
I am intrigued by your cure for alcoholics though. Does that mean they can drink alcohol now just like normal people? If not, then they aren't really cured.
Discuss.
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