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CG Brady
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Posted: 20 Jan 2010 02:07 pm |
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For the past 30 years or more Americans have gotten fatter and fatter and fatter and there seems to be no end in sight is spite of the fact that there is a multi billion dollar weight loss industry and a national weight loss frenzy.
Obviously when you look at the dismal numbers we can see that in spite of the billions dollars spent nothing seems to be working. That being the case I have some questions for anyone wanting to share their thoughts with me.
Obviously overweight people over eat. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Eating is a conscience behavior. Agree? Disagree? Why?
The laws of physics ie conservation of mass apply to human bodies. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Dieters rarely continue to do the things to lose weight and keep it off. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Is that fact that most dieters fail to lose weight and keep it off and make the lifestyle changes a matter of CAN'T or is it a matter of won't.
Your thoughts?
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Tontus
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Posted: 20 Jan 2010 04:18 pm |
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Why do I feel like I'm doing your homework?
Obviously overweight people over eat. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Well technically yes (with the exception of medical disorders), but it is also eating the wrong stuff.
Eating is a conscience behavior. Agree? Disagree? Why?
Well I've never done it in my sleep, so yes.
The laws of physics ie conservation of mass apply to human bodies. Agree? Disagree? Why?
I agree. As one person loses weight, another one gains, so the overall weight of the human race stays the same.
Most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail. Agree? Disagree? Why?
I can't say if it is most people or not, but it most likely fails because they lose weight on a diet, then go right back to eating like they did before the diet.
Dieters rarely continue to do the things to lose weight and keep it off. Agree? Disagree? Why?
See above.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 20 Jan 2010 10:05 pm |
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As an experiment I posted these questions on a fitness forum. Here's the first response.
I doubt you're going to get any surprising responses here but, I'll answer anyway.
CG wrote: Obviously overweight people over eat. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agreed. Unless they are injecting the calories, no doubt about it.
Eating is a conscience behavior. Agree? Disagree? Why? For those able to do it unconsciously, then I'd say that's the problem here that needs immediate attention. Actually, now that I think about it, the obese do seem to unconsciously consume. They'll zombie out in front of the T.V., or wherever, and just mindlessly consume.
The laws of physics ie conservation of mass apply to human bodies. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agreed, of course. Even if there are exceptions to the rule, they are just that, exceptions. For the rest of us, we do not have superpowers to defy the laws of physics. If we're getting fat it's because we're consuming too much.
Most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agreed. There's a few reasons but, all of them have to do with the person's character and belief system which is what caused or allowed for the overeating in the first place. Lack of discipline, a victim mentality, or just plain selfishness. There is a plethora of excuses but, as you, myself and others have pointed out, lack of time or any other excuse does NOT equate to eating more.
Dieters rarely continue to do the things to lose weight and keep it off. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agreed. As I stated in the previous question. It IS a matter of character. There is no quick fix for lifestyle choices. Our bodies and mind are going to reflect our lifestyles.
Is that fact that most dieters fail to lose weight and keep it off and make the lifestyle changes a matter of CAN'T or is it a matter of won't. Without ANY doubt, as your signature points out, it IS a matter of WILL; a matter of choice.
Your thoughts?
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tourproven
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 01:31 am |
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CG Brady wrote: Obviously overweight people over eat. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agree, though most do not realize they do it. The daily consumption becomes part of the routine. Ultimately resulting in their own personal 'normal' behavior, which leads them to continuously gain weight until the mirror directs them to make a change.
Eating is a conscience behavior. Agree? Disagree? Why? Disagree, for overweight people, the act of eating is a completely unconcious act. Rarely do overweight people eat when they are actually hungry. Overweight people are never hungry, they are always in a state of fullness, therefor there are no signals to stop eating or to stop thinking about food and the next meal. Eating becomes a habit that pleases the mind and the taste buds, and keeps the feeling of fullness going.
The laws of physics ie conservation of mass apply to human bodies. Agree? Disagree? Why? Disagree. You wouldn't think you could grow a 1000 lb. cow from just feeding it grass either. The human body can do things that an inanimate object cannot.
Most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agree. For most people, the act of dieting is torturous. When goals are met, or even neared, the feeling to end the torture sets in. Hence, eating habits resume to the level where they were previously eating too much and gaining weight. The new lighter body gains weight faster with the old eating habits than the fat body did.
Dieters rarely continue to do the things to lose weight and keep it off. Agree? Disagree? Why? Ditto
Is that fact that most dieters fail to lose weight and keep it off and make the lifestyle changes a matter of CAN'T or is it a matter of won't. It's not a matter of can't or won't, its a matter of not understanding what their body really needs is going to be a form of a diet for the rest of your life. The 'torture' of not eating in 'gain weight mode' must be endured forever, though it is certainly less torturous to maintain than it is to lose.
Your thoughts? I have proven this to myself time and again. The info has finally sunk in. This is my last time to have to reach a goal weight. I will never gain weight again.
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CG Brady
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Posted: 21 Jan 2010 05:42 pm |
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tourproven wrote: CG Brady wrote: Obviously overweight people over eat. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agree, though most do not realize they do it. The daily consumption becomes part of the routine. Ultimately resulting in their own personal 'normal' behavior, which leads them to continuously gain weight until the mirror directs them to make a change.
Eating is a conscience behavior. Agree? Disagree? Why? Disagree, for overweight people, the act of eating is a completely unconcious act. Rarely do overweight people eat when they are actually hungry. Overweight people are never hungry, they are always in a state of fullness, therefor there are no signals to stop eating or to stop thinking about food and the next meal. Eating becomes a habit that pleases the mind and the taste buds, and keeps the feeling of fullness going.
The laws of physics ie conservation of mass apply to human bodies. Agree? Disagree? Why? Disagree. You wouldn't think you could grow a 1000 lb. cow from just feeding it grass either. The human body can do things that an inanimate object cannot.
Most people who try to lose weight and keep it off fail. Agree? Disagree? Why? Agree. For most people, the act of dieting is torturous. When goals are met, or even neared, the feeling to end the torture sets in. Hence, eating habits resume to the level where they were previously eating too much and gaining weight. The new lighter body gains weight faster with the old eating habits than the fat body did.
Dieters rarely continue to do the things to lose weight and keep it off. Agree? Disagree? Why? Ditto
Is that fact that most dieters fail to lose weight and keep it off and make the lifestyle changes a matter of CAN'T or is it a matter of won't. It's not a matter of can't or won't, its a matter of not understanding what their body really needs is going to be a form of a diet for the rest of your life. The 'torture' of not eating in 'gain weight mode' must be endured forever, though it is certainly less torturous to maintain than it is to lose.
Your thoughts? I have proven this to myself time and again. The info has finally sunk in. This is my last time to have to reach a goal weight. I will never gain weight again.
This is very interesting.
Cows have higher metabolic rates that humans and they have a 4 chambered stomach capable of digesting grasses. The human appendix is a throw back to when we could digest grasses and bark. Cows are actually very lean.
I am wondering if for these purposes we should decide in a definition for eating. Is eating also the procurement of food?
Is grocery shopping part of the eating process?
Is selecting a restaurant part of the eating process?
Is ordering from a menu eating?
Is reaching for a roll and butter eating?
Is their a difference from procuring the food and eating it?
If pocuring the food is NOT part of the eating/feeding process then I would have to believe that the selection and procurement of food is conscience behavior. Agree? Disagree?
When we choose Burger King over Subway is that not a willful act?
When we buy Lucky Charms instead of Wheaties is that willful?
Is choosing a Snickers bar over an apple willful when both are staring you in the face?
When does that line start to blur?
I subscribe to the big person big appetite idea and I think science bears that out. I believe that big people are hungrier and stay hungry longer. I also think hunger is a very pleasant itch to scratch.
Comments?
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tourproven
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 12:04 am |
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My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something....
My brain is now hurting, so I'm not hungry anymore.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 12:22 am |
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tourproven wrote: My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something....
My brain is now hurting, so I'm not hungry anymore.
I see your were educated in the South. Impressive!
I will write in Southern speak.
Ya'll put a nuff peanut ole (oil) in the pot when yer fixin to deep fry a turkey? Take it over yonder cause iffin you don't you might set the trailer on far (fire). Now mash that button on the burner cause I'm fixin to par (pour) me a sweet tea.
Keep the yungins back over yonder and after this us kin folk will be light'n a cross.
Why do you have to be nasty? Is it perhaps because you still have a bad case of fattitude or is the sleep apnea and the blood sugar fluctuations making you grouchy. When I saw North Carolina I should have figured it out. But please tell me, if a married couple moves from Eastern North Carolina to California and gets a divorce are they still brother and sister Goober?
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tourproven
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 10:49 am |
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| Looks like I struck a chord with you Corky.
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Tontus
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 11:05 am |
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| Good job Tour, now you've made him angry. The divorce thing was pretty funny though.
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tourproven
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 11:17 am |
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| Tontus, it would have been funny if it were'nt so mean spirited... and he says 'why do I have to be nasty'? How insecure can you get? I write a simple joke-one liner, and he has to go off writing a novel. Well CG, you can go a &*%$ yourself! You write like Chaucer and ask a billion questions, you deserve a little #%@&! about it. Deal with it.
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Tontus
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 11:28 am |
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Naw, still funny, but I'm in the good part of the south. 
But yeah, CG is a condensending, self-absorbed, stuck on himself prick. (no offense, I know how touchy you Californians can be) 
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 01:16 pm |
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tourproven wrote: My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something....
My brain is now hurting, so I'm not hungry anymore.
I personally think that is the dumbest thing I have seen you write. Do you know anything about autism? I do since my son & nephew are. My nephew is 8 yrs old and has tested at college levels. My son is 3 yrs old an can count up to 500 and most 3 yr olds can't even count to 50. There are many levels to autism in case you are not aware so keep your mouth shut about stuff you don't know about
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 02:05 pm |
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| Hellrazor, nice of you to chime in with some positive comments. I wrote the word 'autistic' to describe the completely anal approach to the questions as it was overly analytical (multiple questions with every sentence). It had nothing to do with being stupid (you idiot!). Hopefully your nephews aren't lawyers as well. I'm surprised no lawyers have complained yet. Perhaps I should have used the words 'idiot savant'? Maybe I should call someone 'fat' so everybody can chime in with their disgust.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 04:04 pm |
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Hellrazor wrote: tourproven wrote: My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something....
My brain is now hurting, so I'm not hungry anymore.
I personally think that is the dumbest thing I have seen you write. Do you know anything about autism? I do since my son & nephew are. My nephew is 8 yrs old and has tested at college levels. My son is 3 yrs old an can count up to 500 and most 3 yr olds can't even count to 50. There are many levels to autism in case you are not aware so keep your mouth shut about stuff you don't know about
The sad thing about autism is that we have an epidemic of it and it is caused by vaccines. The idea that someone would make such a crass comment speaks volumes about their character.
I have a nephew who has autism and ADD. That is a major cross to bear. Deciding to eat too much everyday pales in comparison to disorders that one does not inflict upon themselves such as autism.
People with autism are not looking for excuses or absolution. They are looking for compassion and understanding because they need it. The chronically obese often see absolution and understanding but only within their paradigm. It's pretty simple. Eating is willful behavior. Selecting food and then chewing and swallowing it is also willful behavior.
Did the child with autism do it to himself? NO! Did the 450 pound person riding in a power chair and missing a leg due to a diabetic amputation do it to himself? You tell me.
It is astounding that people are here seeking a nutritional solution to what is primarily a behavioral problem.
I got attacked because what I said hit a little too close to home. I came here with a set of fresh eyes and I can tell you that there are some very toxic individuals here who want to sabotage the efforts of the sincere ones.
This country is eating itself to death and the grim statistics bear that out but it seems there is more concern about political incorrectness of creating a little cognitive dissonance to dislodge the wrong thinking of the obese than their is preventing them from committing suicide by junk food.
It asking tough questions and speaking the truth based on facts hurts feelings I will not apologize. If my personal style offends your sensitivities then don't read what I write. The fact that some do respond in a nasty fact free way simply confirms the old adage, The truth hurts.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 04:17 pm |
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CG Brady wrote: Hellrazor wrote: tourproven wrote: My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something....
My brain is now hurting, so I'm not hungry anymore.
I personally think that is the dumbest thing I have seen you write. Do you know anything about autism? I do since my son & nephew are. My nephew is 8 yrs old and has tested at college levels. My son is 3 yrs old an can count up to 500 and most 3 yr olds can't even count to 50. There are many levels to autism in case you are not aware so keep your mouth shut about stuff you don't know about
The idea that someone would make such a crass comment speaks volumes about their character.
Couldn't agree more with you on that
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 05:33 pm |
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I think you guys are over-reacting. I'm pretty sure Tour meant it the same way as people say that "something is gay" or when you do something stupid and say "that was retarded." The intent really wasn't mean spirited or bashing autism. In this day and age of PC #%@&!, I guess you could say maybe it was insensitive, but surely not speaking volumes about his character.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 06:07 pm |
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Tontus, you are exactly right.
My god, whats wrong with you people? I didn't say anthing bad at all about autism. I simply stated that CG was acting like one. CG, you are obviously completely full of yourself and already know f**k**g everything. Go and spit out your self-ritious inflated words somewhere else you moron! To be honest, I think you only joined here to cause controversy. You knew you would instantly be hated by everyone here.
"cognitive dissonance to dislodge" WTF? Go play with yourself. Who, in their right mind talks like that? A anal retentive gaywad, thats who. (And if that fits your profile too Hellrazor, keep it to yourself!)
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 06:12 pm |
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I am the last one to be politically correct but the autistic remark was way out of line and beyond insensitive.
If I were to toss out words like glutton, pig or lard #%@&! when describing the actions and behavior of those who choose to over eat on a regular basis I am sure it would ruffle more than a few feathers. Mocking the condition of another human being who had the misfortune of being born with a severe neurological disorder is much more insensitive than referring to a someone who willfully over eats as a glutton.
This is a teaching moment.
There is still a stigma associated with people who abuse drugs and alcohol. We refer to those people as druggies or alcoholics and nobody seems to mind. If I were to ask a drunk or a drug to convince me that they were not a drunk or a druggie I'd be a hero for intervening but if I were to ask someone who willfully and chronically over eats why they are not a glutton I would be a bully. Double standard anyone?
Let's look at the facts. Very few people die as a result of drug use or alcoholism. They may die 10 years before their time but statistically they are not part of a self induced holocaust. We hear about how anorexia kills but in fact less than 200 people die each year from it and there are less than 200,000 anorexics in the US. On the other hand the 2nd leading cause of death in the US is obesity. The leading cause is preventable medical errors. Obesity kills 400,000+ people each year and medical errors kill over 1 million and maim millions more but somehow fat people and doctors have become sacred cows. It would be blasphemy call a doctor a money grubbing murdering pill pusher and a fat person a glutton but tossing out words like gay, retard and autistic and using them is pejoratives is PC. What am I missing?
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tourproven
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 06:29 pm |
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Keep preaching. We all think you are wonderful and full of knowledge. Our lives hang in the balance for the next time we get to hear from you.
Keep in mind, all this is from the following line:
"My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something...."
The word autistic in this sentence is merely a descriptive word; an adjective. Not unlike saying something like 'you dance like a paraplegic', there is no ill will to the paraplegic, its a cut down to the dancer. How can you not see that? No comment was directed at autistics at all. People are called autistic for a reason. The traits exhibited by autism can resemble traits of normal people also (or in this case, a high and mighty A**H***).
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 06:40 pm |
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| Hey CG, don't forget you insulted all southerners. Not to mention all inbreeders who aren't southern got slammed pretty hard pretty hard by you also. (no pun intended)
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 06:56 pm |
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tourproven wrote: Keep preaching. We all think you are wonderful and full of knowledge. Our lives hang in the balance for the next time we get to hear from you.
Keep in mind, all this is from the following line:
"My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something...."
The word autistic in this sentence is merely a descriptive word; an adjective. Not unlike saying something like 'you dance like a paraplegic', there is no ill will to the paraplegic, its a cut down to the dancer. How can you not see that? No comment was directed at autistics at all. People are called autistic for a reason. The traits exhibited by autism can resemble traits of normal people also (or in this case, a high and mighty A**H***).
"My God CG, you write like a lawyer, or an autistic or something...." Descriptive? You may want to learn the difference between am adjective and a noun.
Obviously your lives do hang in the balance because you feel the need to respond and hyjack this thread with insults.
You were using the word as a pejorative and that is an insult to people with autism and their loved ones. Surely you are not so obtuse that you cannot make the connection even in spite of where you were educated and the depth of your gene pool. Now you are calling people with autism A** Holes? You keep peeling back the layers and it is not getting any prettier. Have you ever heard of the Dale Carnegie course?
Let's take what you said and insert some different words: My God tourproven you write like an inbred or a glutton or something. Give that some thought. Gluttons and inbreds, please don't take this personally.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 08:02 pm |
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CG Brady wrote: Obviously your lives do hang in the balance because you feel the need to respond and hyjack this thread with insults. It is obvious to me, that you are here to force your opinions onto people here and create arguements, as you have in other posts already. Everyone here is wrong but you. Your superior intellect is just too great to contend with. You must have many friends.
You were using the word as a pejorative and that is an insult to people with autism and their loved ones. Surely you are not so obtuse that you cannot make the connection even in spite of where you were educated and the depth of your gene pool. Now you are calling people with autism A** Holes? NO I AM CALLING YOU ONE and if you really are autistic, then you also happen to be an A**h****. You keep peeling back the layers and it is not getting any prettier. Have you ever heard of the Dale Carnegie course? I'm sure you have, you know every #%@&! thing.
Let's take what you said and insert some different words: My God tourproven you write like an inbred or a glutton or something. Give that some thought. Gluttons and inbreds, please don't take this personally. Now it is you who think autistic is as bad as glutton or inbred. It seems you have the problem here, not me. And that would be a direct insult to me, not inbreds and gluttons. By the way, just because I live in NC, does not mean I'm from here. Did you ever think of that?
High-falutin moron!
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 08:06 pm |
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CG, nobody here wants to hear, or even gives one iota about what you think you know about anything. Here is a link to more recent arguement related contridictions we can expect from CG....
forum19/10019.html
also, after reading "anyone wanna see a cure", it is completely obvious that you think you are God's gift to mankind. You look at weight issues like someone who have never been overweight themselves. You do not understand. Like I do not understand people that smoke and why they cant 'just quit'. Your uneducated 'logic' will not work for food addicts. So get on your high horse and get the &*%$ out of here.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 09:36 pm |
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Tontus wrote: Hey CG, don't forget you insulted all southerners. Not to mention all inbreeders who aren't southern got slammed pretty hard pretty hard by you also. (no pun intended)
I insulted the educational system in the South and inbreeding was as common in the South as slavery.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 09:44 pm |
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tourproven wrote: CG, nobody here wants to hear, or even gives one iota about what you think you know about anything. Here is a link to more recent arguement related contridictions we can expect from CG....
forum19/10019.html
also, after reading "anyone wanna see a cure", it is completely obvious that you think you are God's gift to mankind. You look at weight issues like someone who have never been overweight themselves. You do not understand. Like I do not understand people that smoke and why they cant 'just quit'. Your uneducated 'logic' will not work for food addicts. So get on your high horse and get the &*%$ out of here.
Is anyone forcing you to read what I write?
You don't even know what the cure is and if you would even open your narrow mind lightly enough of your ignorance may leak out to make room for some wisdom.
Actually I think you would do better at a tea bagger rally. They too are immune to facts, logic, and reality.
There are reasons why I am not fat and why I will never allow myself to get fat just there are reason why people like you are fat and remain fat. Here is a pearl of wisdom for people who want not to be fat. Watch what lean people do and then do it OR watch what fat people do and don't do it.
It sounds to me like you are jealous.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 09:47 pm |
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tourproven wrote: CG Brady wrote: Obviously your lives do hang in the balance because you feel the need to respond and hyjack this thread with insults. It is obvious to me, that you are here to force your opinions onto people here and create arguements, as you have in other posts already. Everyone here is wrong but you. Your superior intellect is just too great to contend with. You must have many friends.
You were using the word as a pejorative and that is an insult to people with autism and their loved ones. Surely you are not so obtuse that you cannot make the connection even in spite of where you were educated and the depth of your gene pool. Now you are calling people with autism A** Holes? NO I AM CALLING YOU ONE and if you really are autistic, then you also happen to be an A**h****. You keep peeling back the layers and it is not getting any prettier. Have you ever heard of the Dale Carnegie course? I'm sure you have, you know every #%@&! thing.
Let's take what you said and insert some different words: My God tourproven you write like an inbred or a glutton or something. Give that some thought. Gluttons and inbreds, please don't take this personally. Now it is you who think autistic is as bad as glutton or inbred. It seems you have the problem here, not me. And that would be a direct insult to me, not inbreds and gluttons. By the way, just because I live in NC, does not mean I'm from here. Did you ever think of that?
High-falutin moron!
Two suggestions for you. Prozac and an enema.
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Posted: 22 Jan 2010 10:00 pm |
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CG Brady wrote: There are reasons why I am not fat and why I will never allow myself to get fat just there are reason why people like you are fat and remain fat. Here is a pearl of wisdom for people who want not to be fat. Watch what lean people do and then do it OR watch what fat people do and don't do it.
It sounds to me like you are jealous.
Is this the kind of person that anyone here wants to hear from?
I vote to have CG Brady banned from this site for obvious reasons. He obviously looks down upon overweight people and makes light of peoples struggles. You certainly have no idea about why poeple overeat or what it is like, therefore have absolutely no leg to stand on to think that you can give any constructive criticisms about how to correct it. You said in another post that binge eating was a myth. What you do not know about this subject is staggering. Also, no one here is jealous of a pr*ck like you, especially me. Additionally, I think this entire post should be removed from the site.
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