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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 2 Oct 2008 12:52 am |
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MidgeH wrote: Plus...nope, nevermind. Oh, COME ON! You can't do that!
LMAO, I knew you'd say something like that. 
Do I know you or do I know you, eh? That's because...eh, nevermind.  LOL
Anyways, I was going to say that some people look better as they age. Men, in particular, often get those wonderfully defined features and gray hair, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
I do need to make sure that I stop using the word "ancien" when I'm talking to other people about age in French. How often do I do that? Well, sometimes. 
I told someone that being "ancien" was not necessarily a bad thing. "Ancien" does mean old, but it actually means REALLY old, like...ancient. Duh. LOL
It would be fascinating to talk to someone who is "ancien", but I don't know anyone personally. What am I saying? How is this relevant to the price of beans? I just don't know.
Thank you, and please come again.
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MidgeH
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Posted: 2 Oct 2008 09:41 am |
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So, Nick, tell me - do you find that people often smack you about the face and head?
Men, in particular, often get those wonderfully defined features and gray hair, which is not necessarily a bad thing.
This is true (and unfair). I've always found men in their 40's to be the most attractive - it's just that now that that is my actual dating age range I find it disturbing!
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 2 Oct 2008 04:15 pm |
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So, Nick, tell me - do you find that people often smack you about the face and head?
Yeah, sometimes. Often, though, people just jab back, like you're doing now, and I love it! LOL
This is true (and unfair). I've always found men in their 40's to be the most attractive - it's just that now that that is my actual dating age range I find it disturbing!
Just look at the bright side - when you find Mr. Right, you two can grow old together and retire close to the same time, living the prime of your life on the Social Security you've worked so hard to earn.
*Runs away*
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MidgeH
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Posted: 2 Oct 2008 05:41 pm |
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I now know that I wasn't missing anything by not having a younger brother.
A strange food day. What I believe to be a sinus infection kept me home today so I slept a little late (I made a call in to an 8am meeting then took a 1.5 hour nap) then dragged my snuffly head out to whole foods. I got a GREAT salad, there, probably too many calories.
Lunch: veggie mix of baby greens, edamame, mushrooms, peppers, onions, a piece of jicama, 1 tbs blue cheese, radishes. At home I put bacos and red wine vinegar. then I bought this yummy carne asada to put on it. I should have gotten a smaller serving, but it was so good. approximate calories: 600
I also bought myself 1 chocolate chip cookie. 200 cals.
That's 800 already and it's a down day. Beef really is a calorie allotment killer. The good news is that I'm still full. The cookie is probably a no-no but like i've said before it's about working it in to your calorie intake and eating healthy most of the time.
water at 48 of 90, exercise: 50 mins cardio (boy my head loved that! But I powered through.)
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MidgeH
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 11:53 am |
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I weighed in today at 211. Woo Hoo - 70 lbs gone!
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Hisgal
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 12:07 pm |
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Congratulations! What an accomplishment! 
So, Midge, are you going to reward yourself.................like with a massage or a manicure or a pedicure..........or something  (non-food, of course  )
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MidgeH
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 12:14 pm |
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| I don't have anything planned for 70 - I've been buying clothes like mad the past few weeks and need to stop! However, I'm now comfortable enough to begin planning something for 100! oh, how I would love to meet tht by the end of the year...
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 02:45 pm |
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Way to go, Midge!!!
You've come so far - stay encouraged! You can do it!!! 
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WannabeLoser
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 03:18 pm |
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| At this point even if I lost 5 lbs I think I would want to buy a new wardrobe. I think it is important to be sure to get clothes that "fit" you and flatter you. Part of the whole weight loss process is to make sure that you feel good about yourself and look good. Once those clothes start getting too baggy it's time to find something more flattering!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 03:36 pm |
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Oh, me too - in fact I have Size 22, 20 & 18 clothes with the tags still on them. (I started at a 24, 26 in jeans). Luckily (or unluckily? I don't know!) I think I'm going to be in a 16 for a little while so I should wear everything I have bought recently. In fact I'll probably wear it into the ground because everything else practically falls off me (fun!).
I really need to pace myself a little - but this instant gratification thing has always been a problem for me.
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WannabeLoser
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 04:21 pm |
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Yea, my closet has a range of clothing sizes..well it used to. I lost about 65 lbs in 2 years and at the time I had everything from size 20 to size 10. I have NEVER gotten smaller than a size 10 in my life. In fact it is REALLY hard for me to get out of the 12's. I wore the #%@&! out of my pants...the problem was for tops. I wish I could lose weight like crazy on my bottom half. People can drop 20 lbs and lose like 3 or 4 dress sizes....I MIGHT lose 1.
Once I lost most of my weight I threw out the bigger sizes...as a way to remind myself that I wasn't going back to that. After 5 years I did gain weight back and got back up to a size 16..my dad was like "i told you you shouldn't have thrown those clothes out". Women don't think that way though! You can't keep clothes that are too big for you around for too long. You don't want ANY reason to go back to them.
I hear you about the clothes with the tags...I think I was so excited about losing weight and buyin a smaller size that I just bought it...evne though it looked like #%@&! on me. It hung in the back of the closet and now I'm like "oh it doesn't even fit". Ugh I have made a conscious effort not to be like that anymore. I only spend my money on the clothes that look good on me, NO MATTER THE SIZE!
Sometimes it is quite annoying being a woman...
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MidgeH
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 04:59 pm |
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| I simply never got to wear the clothes, I moved out of the size too quickly. Oh, I am so throwing out my clothes when I get to goal. I don't want those things anywhere near me (plus who wants to wear clothes from 5 years go. Oh, wait. Men!) In fact one of my weekend projects is to start throwing them out/giving them away now.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 07:25 pm |
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MidgeH wrote: I don't want those things anywhere near me (plus who wants to wear clothes from 5 years go. Oh, wait. Men!)
Guilty.
I had a pair of shorts growing up that I absolutely adored. I had them for YEARS. One day, Mom had to intervene and throw them away. I was devastated (seriously). Of course, they were very loose, and had more holes than I care to count.
I'm a bit of a packrat, so I'll probably end up keeping my clothes. Mom is getting some of them to use as nightshirts to sleep in.
I actually wore one of my old 4XLT's to work out in a couple of weeks ago or so. That was fun. It was a bit motivating, too. And heavy.
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MidgeH
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 07:48 pm |
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Stats for the day: water at about 70 of 90 (I drank a lot but I sorta lost count today). Cals will be at 1350 after dinner. It's an up day.
I got a nice compliment today. A girl at work was talking to me and just stopped right in the middle and said "Your skin looks great. Like peaches and cream." I don;t have great skin so this was really nice to hear (and under florescent lights no less!) I do take care of my skin, but it has to be the better diet showing on my face. So that makes me happy.
Of course I immediately had to say "Thanks, that's really nice to hear, but my hair..." (she's a good friend so we talk about stuff like that) Why couldn't I just accept the compliment? Boy I still have a lot of "fat girl" behaviors to work on.
My best friend, the person who's opinion matters most to me in the world, told me a long time ago that he can see that I am afraid of success and actively work against it. I knew he was right then and it's still holding. I have a mental image of who I want to be. Physically as well as emotionally, but I haven't quite gotten to the point where I believe that I can obtain that, or more importantly that I deserve that. How does one overcome 38 years of feeling, and being told, that one is inferior? That you have a role to play in this world whether you want to or not?
Aaargh! Serious thoughts for a Friday!
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 10:13 pm |
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Midge, here's something I found online on the subject:
1. If your inferiority stems from the company you keep, stop associating with all those who make you feel small, inadequate or insecure of your place and position.
2. If the causes of your feeling of inferiority are your tasks at work or at social functions, stop accepting them. Know your limitations and the extent of your abilities. Refuse to become involved in anything that you cannot follow through successfully just because it puts you in the limelight for a while.
3. If people with names or titles make you feel small, self-conscious and insignificant avoid close contact with them. Why play "second fiddle" to them? Associate with those who come nearer to your standards and those who make you feel comfortable.
4. Place a price on yourself, on your knowledge, ability, dignity and self-respect. Refuse to serve as a mat for others to walk upon. Speak up. Voice your displeasure, your likes or dislikes. Do it again and again and before long your fear of speaking up and your feeling of inferiority will be gone.
5. It is commendable to seek higher levels but only when you have prepared yourself and not at the expense of your self-esteem and self-confidence.
6. If you want to get rid of your feeling of inferiority stay within your bounds and do not overreach yourself. Find out what you do best, work diligently at it until you excel at it and then capitalize upon it.
7. Sell yourself on the fact that you are as good, as capable, as important and even better in some respects, as those with whom you usually associate.
8. If your inferiority stems from oversensitivity or self-consciousness it may be due to the fact that you take yourself too seriously. Do not assume that people have you on their minds and talk constantly about you. This is not the case. Rid yourself of these thoughts and your self-consciousness will gradually disappear.
9. If you feel you are not liked or wanted or welcomed when you come in company with certain people, it may be due to the fact that you expect too much. Perhaps you wear your heart on your sleeve and feel hurt when people fail to notice it.
10. If you intensely dislike what you are doing but keep at it halfheartedly because you are afraid to make a change you are doing an injustice to others and are unfair to yourself. Make the necessary changes.
11. If you have been too willing to take "second best"; if you are forever apologizing for living or for taking up room, how can you expect others to value you as a person? You have definite capabilities which you and you alone can develop and capitalize upon.
Sounds like solid advice to me. I'm guilty of a lot of this myself.
I know - it all sounds good on paper, but how does one really execute these things? I'm still working on finding that answer. I think some people are just born confident.
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MidgeH
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 11:23 pm |
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Interesting info, Nick.
I often feel truly like the gemini I am. On the one hand I can walk into a room filled with 20, 50, 100 people or more and speak for hours about subjects I may or may not know much about with barely a twinge of misgiving - even at 281lbs. I can go to countries I've never been to, alone and not speaking the language and make my way, again without much anxiety.
On the other hand one person looking at me, offering what is a really inconsequential comment or compliment, or especially if a man looks at me and I immediately turn into that shrinking, painfully aware of my own limitations teenager/child who believes that everything that someone says is a lie, that every look is a negative judgement. If someone compliments me it must be a falsehood, I know they are going to insult or injure me somehow - I have to get to it first. I bristle, I become self deprecating, I play down any accomplishement I may have made.
A woman I know told me I was the most self aware person she had ever met. It's because I live in my head, constantly picking myself apart. I am not a relaxed person.
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WannabeLoser
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 11:28 pm |
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| I personally think A LOT of women feel that way. I used to have a hard time taking a compliment but then i started noticing how ticked off I would get when I would give someone a compliment and they would somehow make some excuse as to why they aren't worthy of that compliment or somehow take it as though I insulted them. Those are sure signs of low self esteem. My cousin was like that. I would compliment her and she would just turn it around and it got to the point that I didn't want to say anything nice anymore. Then I realized....I did that too. Now if someone pays me a compliment I smile really big and say "oh THANK YOU, that is so sweet of you to say". Even if I might believe they are lying or just trying to make me feel better, I figure it is a lot better than me saying "OH MY GOD are you blind?!?! ....my hair looks horrible, I have a huge zit, etc etc etc". I think that is why I seem to gravitate towards women with confidence. I want confidence like that. I don't mean conceit, but just to be aware that they look good, feel good and do not need to be reassured of this every 5 seconds (by looking in the mirror or whatever) I would LOVE to be like that. I don't think losing 20 or more lbs is going to make that magically happen, but it might help.
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Beckster
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Posted: 3 Oct 2008 11:50 pm |
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MidgeH wrote: On the one hand I can walk into a room filled with 20, 50, 100 people or more and speak for hours about subjects I may or may not know much about with barely a twinge of misgiving. (You know how much this blows me away.) On the other hand one person looking at me, offering what is a really inconsequential comment or compliment, or especially if a man looks at me and I immediately turn into that shrinking, painfully aware of my own limitations teenager/child who believes that everything that someone says is a lie, that every look is a negative judgement. If someone compliments me it must be a falsehood, I know they are going to insult or injure me somehow - I have to get to it first. I bristle, I become self deprecating, I play down any accomplishement I may have made.
A woman I know told me I was the most self aware person she had ever met. It's because I live in my head, constantly picking myself apart. I am not a relaxed person.
OMG. We may have been separated at birth...except of course for the fact that I was born 7 years before you...
Isn't it funny how we can have this ability to absolutely just shine while at the same time wanting to crawl into a hole and hide?
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MidgeH
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Posted: 4 Oct 2008 12:08 am |
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| It's like the riddle of the sphinx, Becks.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 4 Oct 2008 08:31 am |
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WannabeLoser wrote: Now if someone pays me a compliment I smile really big and say "oh THANK YOU, that is so sweet of you to say". Even if I might believe they are lying or just trying to make me feel better, I figure it is a lot better than me saying "OH MY GOD are you blind?!?! ....my hair looks horrible, I have a huge zit, etc etc etc".
I have gotten better with saying "Thank you" when someone pays me a compliment, rather than "No, I'm not."
Something that bugs my family, though, is that I keep the same facial expression most of the time, whether I'm happy, sad, irritated, etc., which makes it very hard for them to determine my mood. I am not very open when something bothers me, either - I usually just let it slide off, unless I decide to be bipolar.
Mom didn't even know how much kids bullied me in school until this year or last. I have a tendency to take on everything myself, without relying much on others.
MidgeH wrote:
On the other hand one person looking at me, offering what is a really inconsequential comment or compliment, or especially if a man looks at me and I immediately turn into that shrinking, painfully aware of my own limitations teenager/child who believes that everything that someone says is a lie, that every look is a negative judgement. If someone compliments me it must be a falsehood, I know they are going to insult or injure me somehow - I have to get to it first. I bristle, I become self deprecating, I play down any accomplishement I may have made.
Guilty here, too.
It could be worse - we could all have telepathy, so that everyone would know all these thoughts passing through our head in any such scenario.
Comment: "Wow, that shirt fits you well."
Thought #1: "How well?!? Is it too tight?!?"
Thought #2: "Oh, it is too tight because of this fat stomach."
Thought #3: "Look at how big it is. Why am I even bothering to try to lose weight?"
Thought #4: "I'm just fooling myself by trying to think that I look cool."
Answer: "Thank you."
So...it's not just the ladies that have thoughts like this - we men do, too, but like women, we don't often express it, and further, because we are "trained" not to show emotion, you might not even be able to tell that we are bothered.
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NurseBetty
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Posted: 4 Oct 2008 11:03 am |
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Thanks for stopping by my diary. I know, I go through it ever spring. 3 months til summer and I tell myself that's plenty of time to lose 30 lbs. Then it's 2 months with no weight gone and I tell myself, I still have time if I work hard. then it's 6 weeks, and so on and so forth. But this time I'm starting now, and making progress, slow as it is.
But I wanted to say congrats on your progress. It is TRULY inspirational.
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mollymoo24
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Posted: 4 Oct 2008 11:12 am |
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Oh boy, you are getting so close now to that 200 mark Midge, I love to see your continued progress. And about the myriad clothes sizes, and the clothes with the new tags still on them - I can totally relate. I bought new slacks for work 3 times and have lots of barely worn stuff. Don't count on staying at 16 for too long as long as you are keeping up with the program - I thought that a couple of times, bought a significant amount of clothes, and then blew right by it in a few weeks. I have finally settled in now as an 8, and since I've hit a rough patch, will probably be here for the while.
You are an inspiration, babe!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 4 Oct 2008 07:47 pm |
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Well, I definately have some sort of cold or something. Today I didn't get up until 10 am., sat around for a while, did 50 mins of cardio, sat around some more, then fell asleep on the couch for a 4 hour nap. I feel all fuzzy and bleh.
If I'm looking for an NSV though I can sleep (for hours apparently) on only 1/2 of the couch with room to spare.
It seems like everyone on the board has some sort of bug right now. I hope that's not a harbinger for what the winter is going to be like.
ETA: calories at 1000. I;m not sure how I even ate that much. I think it's the walnuts I ate, because 2 servings of broccoli, 1 baked chicken breast at a serving of scallops ain't 1000 cals. I really should save the nuts for high cal days.
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OnceUpon-A-ThinGirl
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Posted: 5 Oct 2008 11:21 am |
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| I have two words for you Midge, flu shot. I'm getting one Monday, pronto. Last year I was saved a lot of colds because of the flu shot.
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Posted: 5 Oct 2008 02:29 pm |
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Hi Midge!
Just wanted to drop in and say thanks for posting in my diary - I found the things you said useful. Also, I just read your whole diary (over a few days!) and I'm really inspired by how you're doing. I also empathise with being almost scared to have a higher calorie count, even if it is the right thing to do.
BTW, I think you look really beautiful in your avatar pic.
Thanks!
DesperateGirl
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MidgeH
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Posted: 5 Oct 2008 04:50 pm |
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Thanks, DG.
Yeah, Once, I am. my work brings someone in every year and I'll get one (I pretty much have to with the diabetes & heart disease.)
I'm having pretty much a lazy day, which probably isn't a good idea on an up calorie day. Calories are already at 1000.
I went shopping and bought some suppliments. I've been reading about what I can do to possibly improve my hair (besides the meds I take and the fact that I am super-nice to it. No ponytails, very little brushing, etc.) and read that kelp extract and ginko biloba can help. So I go both of them plus some biotin. We'll see if it helps.
I'm not a big believer in daily multivitimins so I haven't started those. I think we're all better off making sure we get everything we need from food, but this hair thinning thing is really derailing me psycologically.
I also bought some stuff to experiment with making some low fat chili. I'll let you know how it goes.
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MidgeH
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Posted: 5 Oct 2008 09:47 pm |
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I'm just sitting here, thinking (because that's pretty much all I've done today) so this may just be a stream of conciousness thing.
The chili turned out pretty good. Like most chili it'll probably be better tomorrow.
There is all these little bumpym itchy things that keep popping out on my wrists and lower legs. Weird. Just my luck, I probably have fleas.
I'm just kidding, obviously, but it is very strange.
Saw a picture of myself today taken the same night as my avatar. Really does prove that angle matters, my chin had receded and I swear I looked like I had a goiter. It's sobering when that happens. Plus, the people in my family SUCK at taking pictures.
I had a decent weight loss week. For the challenge tomorrow I'm hoping to be down 3 lbs. See, there I go again, setting myself up for disappointment! I need to stop that.
So what are my goals for this week? Well, lots of things both diet and not diet
1. Get my work life together. Letting stuff slip isn't just at home. I need to work on being both better and at the same time removed from my work. I don't really enjoy my job (2009 is new job year!) but it's what I've got right now.
2. Also at work I need to be easier on everyone. So this week I am going to a) communicated with everyone to get back on page with all projects and b) spare everyone my intensity. I may be dissatisfied with all of them, but who wants to deal with the scary woman? Plus, lets face it, no one gives a #%@&!.
3. keep on with the zig zagging, but BE AWARE of what I am eating on the up days. I'm noticing a disturbing pattern of allowing too much into my up day diets that I shouldn't be.
4. Keep on with the high water low diet soda. I think it is helping.
5. Every night come home and think "picture posting in 7 weeks" as motivation to exercise.
That's an interesting thought. Maybe I will narrow my focus down to the next 49 days. It's a much shorter period of time with a lot of things happening in it. (Braces coming off, busy busy busy at work, the pictures for posting, travel for thanksgiving...) Aren't most of those #%@&! informeicals for weight loss and sculpting tagged with the line "Transform yourself in just 6 weeks!"? Well I lost weight without any of those snake oil salesmen, I'm sure I can "transform" myself in 6 weeks without them.
Hmmmm. I'll be back later after I've thought this through...
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mollymoo24
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Posted: 5 Oct 2008 10:02 pm |
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MidgeH wrote:
There is all these little bumpym itchy things that keep popping out on my wrists and lower legs.
That sounds like hives, I get them on my wrists when I eat peanut butter. It means that you consumed something that you are allergic to. If you started those new vitamins/supplements, it is very likely the filler materials in one of them and you may need to switch brands.
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MidgeH
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Posted: 5 Oct 2008 10:09 pm |
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| I haven't started the suppliments yet and this has been happening for a while. I guess I'll need to start eliminating possible suspects. I'll start with shell fish. I;ve been eating a lot of scallops (low cal, low cholesterol, yummy) but I'm sick of them so this will be easy.
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Posted: 6 Oct 2008 06:05 pm |
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I always get a chuckle from the weightloss sales pitches that start off with some variation of "Lose the first five pounds for FREE!!" No kidding - thank you for being so magnanimus and allowing me to lose my pounds for free! As if I couldn't anyway. LOL - then again it just might be my issues with authority causing me to cringe at those commercials - my hackles go up whenever anyone "allows" me to do something.
Keep setting those goals!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 6 Oct 2008 07:47 pm |
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Thanks, Wolf!
So had a pretty good day. 800 cals (low day). 60 of 90 water done. Got a lot done at work and was pleasant to everyone. Went to the orthodontist - only 17 days until my braces come off!!
So that got me thinking - I should focus even smaller and set some real goals for he next 17 days.
Goal 1 - continue the good vibe at work. Ihis has a double meaning, first to get back on track on getting things done there and 2) PMS is about to start, probably at the end of the week. I have the worst PMS emotionally. I am AWFUL. So being aware of it, making myself think things through I think will be a good thing.
Goal 2 - I could make goals like "lose 10 lbs" and "get some extra room in those 16s" but I am finally realizing that I cannot predict how weight will come off me, no matter how saintly I eat. So instead I'm going to set some goals I can quantify and control. 16 hours of cardio total and 8 hours of strength training. That's a lot (for me) but I want to do something BIG.
Goal 3 - food and suppliments. Keep up the fiber, keep the sugar low and stay away from the diet soda! I'm only going to allow it on saturday when I go out.
So that's it. We'll see what difference it makes!
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Beckster
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Posted: 7 Oct 2008 12:43 am |
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#%@&! those are good goals!
You do have a good vibe goin' on, I can hear it (read it?) in your tone. I applaud your positivity about work, attitudes are contagious, so what goes around almost always comes around. Me? I love my office mate but there are certain people....
Your exercise goal is ambitious, but I know you'll do it.
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MidgeH
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Posted: 7 Oct 2008 10:17 pm |
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Not much to report, water ok, food ok though a little low (supposed to be an up day, but I've only eaten about 1000. I feel like I've eaten a lot and simply am not very hungry.) Exercise bad.
I have a question for anyone who had done weight watchers, though. A friend of mine is doing it using the point system. I must have joined WW 12 times, it just wasn't for me, but I have some experience with points. Anyway She said she was going to move to fat free soy milk because it was only 1 pt, but a cup of skim milk has 2 points. My question is this, why is an 80 calorie, fat free, relatively healthy food 2 pts, but the WW chocolate mouse bars are 120 cals, sugar and chemicals, and also only 2 pts. Am I wrong that this does not make any sense?
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mollymoo24
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Posted: 7 Oct 2008 11:28 pm |
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I don't know about the points but it sounds like a conspiracy to me.
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 8 Oct 2008 02:37 pm |
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I think the Weight Watchers point system is pretty flawed. As you noticed, it doesn't really take nutritional value into consideration, and further appears to illegitamely promote their own products.
Mom used to be in Weight Watchers, and it did help her. It's a decent weight-loss program, but it's not a substitute for knowing what you're putting in your body.
One mistake a lot of people make is looking strictly at the fat content of foods, and automatically steering away from foods that are high in fat. In the process of doing this, you eliminate a lot of foods that are high in fat and good for you - nuts, oil, fish, etc.
Also, just because a food has less calories and fat doesn't make it healthier. Take the Whopper and the Big Mac for example. Neither of them are healthy, but even though the Whopper has more calories and fat, it is still healthier than the Big Mac, because:- Whoppers are flame-broiled, but Big Macs are fried.
- The Whopper has real beef, but the Big Mac has fillers and other cow parts.
- The Whopper has more vegetables than the Big Mac.
- A lot of the fat content in Whoppers comes from mayonnaise. Mayo has a lot of fat, but about 90% of it is unsaturated.
(Note: This is not a Whopper endorsement. )
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MidgeH
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Posted: 8 Oct 2008 03:28 pm |
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Yes, I agree too. I've always been a fan of WW from the aspect that at least you are supposed to eat real food - but I call shenanigans. (I still like those WW mousse bars though - very chocolate-y and you only need 1 at 60 cals. Chemical schmemicals.)
Oh, man. Now I want a big mac. Cow parts and transfat be #%@&!ed. ( I don't particularly miss fast food but a perfectly made, salty, slightly over sauced big mac was always yummy. )
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MidgeH
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Posted: 8 Oct 2008 03:59 pm |
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I?óÔé¼Ôäóm trying to stop myself from having one of those days. One of those ?óÔé¼?ômy weight has been the same for 4 days, I?óÔé¼Ôäóm a big failure?óÔé¼?Ø days. Yes, I know 4 days does not a plateau make, and if I would just exercise like a good girl everything would be alright, but I don?óÔé¼Ôäót wanna exercise! The fat is just supposed to go away already.
I swear to god that right now, in my head, is nothing but ?óÔé¼?ôWahhhhhhhhhh!?óÔé¼?Ø.
I had this discussion with my work girlfriend during our walk today (yes, that?óÔé¼Ôäós exercise, but it?óÔé¼Ôäós a 15 min walk - ain?óÔé¼Ôäót gonna do much but it?óÔé¼Ôäós nice to get out.) about how much we hate to exercise when all we really want to do is sit down and read a book. And we puzzled over why being an exercise junkie was more socially acceptable then our book reading (this mostly applied to me ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ everyone loves her).
The food is going OK from the stand point of not eating anything stupid, but I?óÔé¼Ôäóm trying to have an up cal day today (since I failed yesterday) but it?óÔé¼Ôäós proving to be very hard. Oh, and I?óÔé¼Ôäóm still getting what I think is hives (in such odd areas too!). It?óÔé¼Ôäós not shellfish because I haven?óÔé¼Ôäót had any of that in 4 days, so I guess on to the next suspect ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ nuts. But I?óÔé¼Ôäóm going to go ahead and take a nighttime dose of benadryl too.
So let?óÔé¼Ôäós review. I?óÔé¼Ôäóm:
- Turning lazy into high art
- Craving fast food
- Covered in spots and itchy
I swear I should just go ahead and move into a double wide now and just forget the whole thing.
Gee, good thing I took the time to make those goals a few days ago. I really should stop doing that, it only makes me crazy.
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Hisgal
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Posted: 8 Oct 2008 06:37 pm |
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Midge wrote on Oct. 6:
2) PMS is about to start, probably at the end of the week. I have the worst PMS emotionally. I am AWFUL. So being aware of it, making myself think things through I think will be a good thing.
We women are SO BLESSED! *sarcasm here* I'm fighting the same  this week! Had one of my first totally out of control UD's yesterday, since I started the Alternate Day Diet. TOO BAD KNOWING WHAT'S CAUSING OUR PROBLEMS, DOESN'T MEAN WE CAN TOTALLY CONTROL OURSELVES!
Midge wrote:
I swear to god that right now, in my head, is nothing but ?óÔé¼?ôWahhhhhhhhhh!?óÔé¼?Ø.
Will the real Midge please come out! Oh I know you will after the hormones level out! I should too! Oh what fun the men are missing out on! Hang in there, my dear
Think about how far you've already come!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 8 Oct 2008 09:01 pm |
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Thanks for the reminder Hisgal.
Who needs a mother when I am capable of so much self-induced guilt? Didn't do much but I did the 20min Tj workout. That's 35 mins of cardio today (I've decided to count the afternoon walk).
I really need to do something about my attitude with food. Right now I'm at about 900 cals, but since I didn't like my "home from work weight" I wasn't going to let myself eat. I KNOW this goes against everything everyone (including myself) is saying about how I should be eating but I can't seem to stop myself. (I have some veggies roasting now though, but I'll still be lower than I planned for the day).
Why am I sabotaging myself?
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mollymoo24
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Posted: 8 Oct 2008 10:54 pm |
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MidgeH wrote: Why am I sabotaging myself?
I don't know. But you do need to eat more calories or you are going to get stuck. I just wanted to come by and give you some support. We should make rules about no-negative-self-talk-during-PMS.....but we'd be too b*tchy to adhere to rules anyway.
If nothing else...have a margarita (?)
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MidgeH
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Posted: 9 Oct 2008 10:01 pm |
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Today has been ok. In fact I'm in a stangely good mood. Hope it sticks.
Water: 65 of 90. Exercise: Work walk and housework. Man do I have a lot of #%@&! to get rid of. Food better today. I am at 1268 cals.
I'm still spending a lot of time think about exercise and not doing it. I read the other posts here and it's people walking 10 miles or working out every single day for 90 minutes or going to classes at gyms. People know everything there is to know about timing and glycogen and on and on.
I am a reasonably intelligent person. I am in awe of what everyone does to get healthy, but I can read some of these posts 5 times and something about it just doesn't allow it to sink in. Why? Have I brainwashed myself into not being able to absorb any of this information? So I really enjoy being a mushy potato this much?
Moving on - Braces off in 14 days! Woo hoo! I can't wait. Popcorn....mmmmmmm.
I hit 209.5 this morning. It was fun to see the 2 zeros although I'm sure I'll go back up before settling in the range. But the roll over is always fun. Come on 80 lbs!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 10 Oct 2008 11:57 am |
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Ok, guys. I'm taking a break.
No, no - not an eat everything within a 5 mile radius, sit on my #%@&! break (although that might happen) but simply a shut down and reboot.
No calorie counting, no "wah, I'm a loser" whining about not exercising, no water counting. I'm also staying off the scale and probably won't be posting in my diary (these 2 are gonna bug me.)
I'll be back on Sunday and let you know if I've figured anything about about where I am going and why I am so incredibly frustrated. 2 days should be enough time for that.
Have a great weekend!
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CrimsonAnimus
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Posted: 10 Oct 2008 12:30 pm |
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Enjoy your break, Midge. Talk to you on Sunday!
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zenobia
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Posted: 11 Oct 2008 03:44 am |
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if ya figure it out- please share! later gator!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 12 Oct 2008 04:13 pm |
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This is going to be long. Sorry.
Well, it?óÔé¼Ôäós Sunday . I?óÔé¼Ôäóve spent the last two days, well, moping I guess is the best word for it. I?óÔé¼Ôäóve just been feeling so unfocused, so lost these past few weeks that I wanted to remove myself from this journey for a brief time. It didn?óÔé¼Ôäót really work.
Therein lies the problem. I?óÔé¼Ôäóm allowing this journey of mine to consume every space in my head. This wouldn?óÔé¼Ôäót be so bad if this journey really was all encompassing, but it is not. It is focused on only one thing. The number. What number I am at any given moment, how that impacts the ?óÔé¼?ôofficial?óÔé¼?Ø morning number, using that number to quantify my value.
So first, let?óÔé¼Ôäós talk about the numbers.
Here are the weight stats from this voyage so far:
April 1, 2008: Starting weight 281
May 21, 2008: 254.5 ( loss of 26.5)
June 30, 2008: 247.5 (loss of 7)
July 31, 2008: 234.5 (loss of 13)
August 31, 2008: 221.5 (loss of 13)
September 30, 2008: 214.5 (loss of 7)
Current weight: 210 (loss of 4.5 so far in October)
I want to focus on the July number. The May number was big, but it was when I started so at least 10 lbs fell off with very little effort because of water. The July number is more interesting.
Although the net loss was 13 lbs, I gained 5.5lbs the first week of July, meaning I lost 18.5 lbs in a 3 week period. My best performance. So what made this period different from others?
- The first week of July I was in Europe. And I ate. Large European breakfasts every day. Mid sized (and pretty #%@&!) lunches, big dinners. I also ate before bed every night. In Germany I never got back from dinner before 11pm, in England I ordered a pot of hot chocolate and a biscuit every night. I ate a lot of fish. I had virtually NO diet soda (I think I got a hold of a diet coke once.) I had only 3 meals a day, I did not eat every 3 hours or so like I do now. I drank a lot of water, and ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ weirdly ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ a lot of hot chocolate (at the English office their big coffee vending machine gave out hot chocolate.)
- When I got back I had a binge. It is the only time in this whole period that I would say that I binged. Exhausted and jet lagged I ate an entire tin of Harrods clotted cream shortbread cookies.
- Activity during that period was off the charts. Dragging my luggage and heavy computer bag through large airports 6 times. I walked all over the Munich city center, I walked to and from the German office every day, I walked before dinner and after dinner every night in England. I spent 3 days on my feet teaching.
- The week after I returned, appalled at my gain and 1 week before the ex BFs wedding I was restrictive and I have vague recollections of doing TJ workouts. Badly. I lost 11.5 lbs that week. Then 3 lbs, then 4 lbs.
So what does this tell me? Perhaps I need to eat like a European. Oh, I don?óÔé¼Ôäót mean a European diet as it is now, completely corrupted by evil American influences, but that way it is traditionally. The biggest difference this means to me is no snacking. No more eating every 3 hours. That also means not just having something to fulfill my caloric needs at that time instead sticking closely to fresh ingredients, lots of fish, and eating slowly. Perhaps combining this with a traditional Asian view would be good. Very low fat, meat is rarely eaten and even then is treated like a seasoning, and tea. Plus I would love to eat some rice.
These are ideas that we all incorporate in some form or another, but I know I rarely follow it exactly how it?óÔé¼Ôäós supposed to be. What I eat on a regular basis is not something I want to savor. I merely want to scarf it down because it meets some sort of parameter I?óÔé¼Ôäóve set. I suppose this would not be a radical departure from how I eat, but it would be a departure from how I think about eating.
Biggest concern is whether or not no snacking is more harmful than good. Opinions are welcome. I have absolutely no faith that the ?óÔé¼?ôexperts?óÔé¼?Ø have any idea what they are really talking about.
The biggest thing though ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ and this is where it goes off the rails ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ is activity level.
I have no choice. I have no options. I have no metabolism. I have a body that does not work.
I have to walk. I have to run. I have to stop treating the fact that I have exercised as an excuse to spend the other 23 hours of the day on my fat #%@&! doing nothing.
Now we have come to the crux of the whole thing. All though I think I am going to stop the morning snack ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ I eat too much between 8 am and noon ?óÔé¼ÔÇ£ and concentrate on incorporating some of the healthier EU/Asian traditions (tea, fresh fish, occasional sticky rice, no soda and only eating something because it is full of lovely ingredients) I don?óÔé¼Ôäót need to do too much to my diet. I am losing weight, just too slowly. But food isn?óÔé¼Ôäót the issue.
Stop for an NSV: Can you believe I just said ?óÔé¼?ôFood isn?óÔé¼Ôäót the issue?óÔé¼?Ø? Even if I get down to a size 2 I will never have a bigger NSV then this.
Exercise is the issue. I must surrender to it, I must embrace the suffering in order to push through to the physical being I want to be. I know ?óÔé¼?ôsuffering?óÔé¼?Ø sounds melodramatic. You have all read where I have complained about exercise, but it is something that I don?óÔé¼Ôäót believe I can ever truly express in words. It is not a matter of me finding time, or desire, or ideas for exercise. It is the beating into submission of my mental and physical self. It goes beyond not being athletic or just having more interest in media and lounging on my couch.
It means confronting one of my biggest failures as a human being. Not the only one by far, but one of the biggest. I systematically and with great determination destroyed, almost entirely by choice, the only body I am ever going to have.
Now, if only I can figure out how to create beauty from the destruction.
Thanks for reading. You deserve a gold star. I?óÔé¼Ôäóll be back later with how my day went.
Last edited on 12 Oct 2008 04:13 pm by MidgeH
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zenobia
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Posted: 12 Oct 2008 04:36 pm |
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so very insightful. it sounds like you have really laid some good groundwork for going further.
i'm not sure about the snacking. i know what i've read, but i also know that everyone works different. i say try out whatever you think will work for you. really, isn't that what it is all about? listening to your body and what it really needs? only you know that. and the best way to find out is to try it out. and yes, eat because your body needs it, because it tastes good, becasue it makes you feel good durring and after, to eat whole foods that give flavor and nutrition. that is really awesome and important.
ugh- the mornin snacking. yeah, night isn't tough for me, it's the morning. i don't know why and i hate it.
on the working out- yeah, that's an important step if you want to speed the process up. i gotta grind that into my head too. but it's soooooooo worth it. you might even find something that you really enjoy doing- at least hold on to a feeling of victory when you have accomplished a work out.
and it's not a fialure if you make an active effort to change it. turn a "failure" into a success. if that's not a great goal to aim for, i don't know what is. (lol, ok, that might sound a bit cliche, but really, it's the truth).
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MidgeH
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Posted: 12 Oct 2008 07:56 pm |
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My weekend went Ok. Food on Friday was as usual. Saturday I went out with a couple of girlfriends. My calories were up, but not as much as I thought they would be because the food wasn't very good. Did have a yummy chocolate shake though.
We went to this kind of artsy area and walked around the shops and I bought these very cute shoes.
Who doesn't love purple shoes?
Today I had breakfast at my parents as usual, then I went to exercise.
I live close to a community college that has a very pretty campus and is perfectly rectangular. One time around is 1.3 miles. The idea was that I would walk the long sides and jog the short sides.
Here's how it went: Walking...walking...jogging...lurching...walking...walking..oops, traffic...walking....lurching...stop at car for water...walking...walk past the woman who was bigger than me but jogging with a wave...walking...lurching...walking...lurching...nearly throwing up...walking...water...stretch at the car...drive home.
It took me 45 mins to go around 2x which stinks! How the #%@&! do you people walk 4-6-10 miles at a time?! When I got home I cranked the AC and peeled off my clothes in the hallway. I looked in the mirror, I was beet red. I had a headache and was starving. (I made a chicken breast and some cauliflower.)
So my plan is this. This week only, do this walk as often as possible. I'm shooting for every day the weather holds out. I think I need to look at turbo jam as a toner, as it apparently does nothing for my oxygen capacity! I'm only going to walk at first, I'll try the lurching again in another 10 lbs. And I probably should eat something before I do it.
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mollymoo24
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Posted: 12 Oct 2008 11:02 pm |
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Midge - congrats on just getting out there today!! I can only say what worked for me is to aim to walk 3 miles (it would take an hour / 20 minutes per mile). I was just trying to be able to keep moving for an hour. Later I added jogging 'what feels right', and didn't over do it. I would do 12 "laps" on the treadmill and jog 2 of those and it was a victory. It takes a while to build up but you will be surprised at what you can do after a couple of weeks and then a couple of months. I am hoping you will just give yourself a chance and just LISTEN to your body. If your body wanted to do 2 laps today, then GREAT. You got out there and did it.
I never ran a mile in my life except high school gym class 1 time. I went from totally sedentary to doing things I never dreamed. Just take it one day at a time.
I am proud of you!
BTW Nice Shoes!
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MidgeH
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Posted: 13 Oct 2008 11:27 am |
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My weight for the challenge today - 210. BLEEEECCCCHHHHH. Another week of no payoff for my efforts. Today I'm pigging out. I'm not kidding. Ummm, well a Midge pig out - I have 1550 calories planned.
This week is gonna be interesting. PMS kicked in full gear to day. It's 9 am and I've already had 2 bouts of paranoia, 1 of irrational anger and 1 crying jag. All before I got to work. I'm still doing the "be aware, think it through" thing at work, trying to positively affect my work environment so I'm OK here. Funny - I'll do that to spare the emotions of someone else, but I'll still beat up on myself for no real reason.
Other goals for day week:
My walking plan is already falling apart. Tonight I will not get home from work until late because of a meeting and I'm not doing it in the dark and tomorrow it's supposed to rain. I'm pretty sure this walking thing is going to become a weekend only thing. (except for my work walk, which I am gong on later). So, incorporating Mol's advice, I instead am going to concentrate on moving (probably using TJ) for a minimum of 60 mins a night. Only 10 days until my braces come off - I need to go big!
The other thing, and probably more important is to not weigh myself until next challenge weigh in. This week is liable to be all over the map (or even up, up, up), and in my weakened mental state I simply can't take it.
So, I need your help. If you hear me talking about (aka: bitching) about how little weight I'm losing I need you to slap me and say STEP AWAY FROM THE SCALE. Not being nice is the nicest thing you could do!
Last edited on 13 Oct 2008 11:31 am by MidgeH
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Mountain Mike
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Posted: 13 Oct 2008 01:16 pm |
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Way to go, Midge!!! You have accomplished a great deal in a short time, don't give up or let up. A few years ago, I started my quest to lose weight and get into shape....I've lost about 50 pounds, mostly due to exercise. I started walking 30 minutes per day, then sometimes twice a day (lunch break and after work). Then, I started walking/jogging, then I got to where I could run a few miles. It's a progression, hang in there. Also, I cut out junk food and soft drinks...and amazingly, I don't crave them anymore.
BTW, those purple shoes look sexy! And yes, I'm a "typical" man....many of my clothes are 5 or 10 years old (from my pre-fat days). I threw out or gave away the size 38 pants.....
Anyway, greetings and I think you're doing great!
Mike
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