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zenobia
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 03:38 am |
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i don't even want to ay how i feel... why are thy trying to kill us? for that glorified "dollar"?
get this article... if anything, it is an interesting read. if i say anything more, i am going to go off on a rant... you really don't want to see me get started..
you wanna get riled up? read this. granted, it's all about choices, but seriously, america is in a sad sad state...
guardian.co.uk/food/Story/0,,1856159,00.html?gusrc=rss&feed=1
just add the http... or just google it. all i can say is... well, i am not surprised, but really folks, is this where our "advancement"(*note- the u.s.- please take "advancement" with a grain of salt... as well as a shot of tequilla...) brought us?
why are we dying for this stuff and why are they knowingly doing this???? it makes me terribley sad. is it too late to save the world????
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VYV8
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 03:55 am |
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Don't feel badly about it!! You've identified it for what it is, now use that knowledge to avoid it. Help your friends avoid it too, if they want - just don't forget what goes into each person's mouth is that person's choice.
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zenobia
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 04:32 am |
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well, it's not me personally, it's more about the where we are as a whole. i guess my biggest "beef" is with marketing and america. to me, this is just wrong. prepetuating intentionally, obisity, sickness, and death.... why?????? maybe i am that naive college student who wants to save the world... but holy #%@&! people, when marketing and advertising i (not to mention stupidity) is this obvisous, doesn't it just make you sick???? granted, i chose not to eat that 18 lb hamburger, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't effect me, the people i care about, the population in general... it is jut wrong! is this really where we are?
how sick is it to get rich off of other people's sickness??? i know it happens all of the time in many many more situations than this, but wow... i mean i just don't get it! marketing, advertising, appealing to what the public "wants". now, there is a philsophical discussion for ya... why even put it on the market? crack is illegal.. pot is lillegal..abortion in some states is illigal... but out and out displaying this sort of thing...
what happened??? call me old school, but shouldn't we be helping eachother?call me a tree hugging hippie, but holy #%@&!, am i the only one who feels the atrocity commited here? why propegate this horrible cycle? cuz it make a piece of green paper? it kills me to see this. it really truely does.
btw... what goes into that "persons mouth" comes out of your tax dollars. what goes into that "persons mouth" propegates the advertisements, wasted money, sickness, death... heck (*ehem*- totally edited) it's hard to sleep at night knowing that there are ideas such as this actually being put into action. wtf?????
Last edited on 4 Sep 2006 04:33 am by zenobia
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clarinetgurl
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Posted: 4 Sep 2006 07:48 pm |
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That made me feel sick...
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Chiffa
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Posted: 5 Sep 2006 02:53 am |
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That's so wrong... *sigh*
I don't even have words to express all what I'm feeling. (and of course you know. . . some-one will be *bragging* to their friends that they "ate it all")
<shivers> brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
My husband likes to tease me that I'm 'paranoid' that "I will never be the good *capitalist* because my dis-trust of busineses is so deep"
I have the little game I play called: *Trace the profits* Where I look for where the motivations that come from "who and how many" are only interested in makeing profit, and not from offering a superior product.
But. . . . I recently started makeing *noises* that I think there is the proper conspiracy to keep people unhealthy and/or over-weight.
Because *who* profits from this???
a rash of products that the industry calls "indulgent offerings": foods marketed specifically on the basis of how much meat and cheese and how few annoying vegetables they contain.
The industry/seller of the "indulgent food" (Hmmmm I wonder how "gluttoneous" or "unhealthy" would work as *marketing terms/tools* - No, that might cause people to think and not to buy)
The doctors, who must see and treat conditions that arise from too many samplings of such "indulgent offerings" (but here, they can actually educate on more healthy ways to eat, and the future healths problems of foods like in this article)
Pharmaceutical industry, who can make "quick-fix" medicines like Phen-Phen* where the medicine, is more of the poison than the cure. (*sorry there, i'm not sure i spelled that correct)
The diet industry, who can deal with the consequences again of persons over-sampling of such "indulgent offerings" (but again here, they can actually educate on more healthy ways to eat, and not only to lose weight - but to live!/to eat for life.)
Health clubs/gyms/ trainers (they have no work if people are not signing up, and of course there are good and bad clubs/gyms/trainers, and they too can do a lot of good, but too i think people some times see fitness/health to be the temporary solution and not the *life-style*...)
Oi oi oi - I see I'm ranting. . . .
Ok I'll stop and thanks for your time and attention.
=)))
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medic213
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Posted: 9 Sep 2006 03:13 pm |
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I see this every day. More and more people are calling for an ambulance for chest pain at younger ages. Going to pick people up and take them to the hospital and having to call the fire dept. for assist because they weigh 350+ at age 30 and they get #%@&! about it. Well for one I'm not the one who shoved all that food down your throat. Now some people actually have medical problems, that I can deal with.
When I first noticed that BK put out that quad heart attack and stroke machine I thought to myself, #%@&! no wonder America is obese. Please take no offense.... but understand that it is easier to go through a drive through and order food than it is to open a box or prepare food at home. Americans are instant gratification driven.....
A friend of mine will go to a fast food place and order food before she turns on the stove for her family, sad, but true.
I have often wondered what would happen if these places said, No more, we are not going to offer these large meals anymore, and began to down size to more healthier portions. Yeah you can say that the population will just order more, true, but at their own expense.
Sorry to rant. I hope that nobody takes offense. It pisses me off and has, even when I was 320lb, about how fast food restaurants can get away with over feeding America. Can't the Surgeon (sp) do anything about this.......One day people will need to survive on instinct again.
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Doug
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Posted: 9 Sep 2006 05:27 pm |
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The fast food companies already know what will happen if they downsize portions. People will go eat at competing chains that offer more food.
In 2005 McDonalds quit offering the option of super-sizing their meals in response to bad publicity from the Supersize me documentary. A lot of the other fast food chains like Burger King and Wendy?óÔé¼Ôäós started offering smaller portions and ?óÔé¼?ôhealthy?óÔé¼?Ø menu options. I put healthy in quotes because some of the salads contain as much fat and many calories as a burger and fries. The struggling Hardees chain bucked this trend by offering Thick Burgers that were huge and did not apologize for it. While everyone else tried to sell health Hardees sold burgers. Guess who made more money. Selling huge burgers probably saved Hardees from going under.
While McDonalds is still sticking with some less fattening alternatives a lot of the other chains have dropped their fresh fruit and vegetable alternatives to fries due to poor sales. Most of the fast food ads I see now are going back to pushing bigger is better. As the article pointed out many of the ads now question the manhood of anyone that would not jump at the chance to eat a 1000+ Calorie burger. If there were truth in advertising the men eating these manly burgers would all be 300+ pounds. I am also pretty annoyed with McDonalds Get Active campaign. I saw one of their executives say he loved fries and if he had park a little further out to make up for that was a good trade. Unless he is parking a few miles from the office there is no way he is burning the calories in an order of fries and should be able to get away with making such an obviously untrue claim.
I do not blame the fast food companies in any way. All they are doing is giving people what they want. I also do not want the government to tell me what I can or cannot eat. This really is an area of personal responsibility. But I do think people should be responsible for the consequences of their behavior. Insurance companies are allowed to charge people with bad driving records more money for auto insurance. They also should be allowed to charge severely obese people more money for health insurance. I would also support forcing large chains to list Calories on the menu even though most people interested in knowing would not be ordering a quad stacker to begin with.
I was 10 pounds when I was born and that number went nowhere but up for the first 40 years of my life. I was 230 when I graduated college and hit about 280 when I was forty and decided to lose weight. I lost 100 pounds and have kept it off for 6 years now. I know that losing weight is NOT easy but I also know it can be done. For me it came down to choosing between being hungry some of the time or fat all of the time.
After I became an adult it was entirely my fault that I was fat. Taking responsibility for my own health was the first step to correcting my weight problem. Encouraging people to blame the fast food industry, a ?óÔé¼?ôslow metabolism?óÔé¼?Ø or some other excuse instead of telling them they are eating too many calories reduces the chances of their taking responsibility and doing what it takes to lose weight.
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jillybean720
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Posted: 9 Sep 2006 09:33 pm |
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Doug wrote: I do not blame the fast food companies in any way. All they are doing is giving people what they want. I also do not want the government to tell me what I can or cannot eat. This really is an area of personal responsibility. I agree 100%. Fast food places SHOULD be able to sell whatever they want--it is WE, the consumers, who need to make the right decisions. We should be able to distinguish between total BS advertising and what is actually good for our bodies, and I pity anyone who is not smart enough to make that disctinction, especially now with all the media attacks and lawsuits against fast food chains.
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Chiffa
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Posted: 11 Sep 2006 04:26 am |
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medic213 wrote:
A friend of mine will go to a fast food place and order food before she turns on the stove for her family, sad, but true.
That is sad, because in 20 minutes, i can make a ground beef**, no yolk noodle, 3 vegetable skillet dinner, completely low sodium/low fat that leaves me and my husband with leftovers for the next days meal. (and would easily feed a family of 4)
20 minutes, from start to finish, that's easily the time it takes to drive to a fast food place, order, wait the order, and sit and eat it.
If your friend was educated perhaps her choices would be different. I know i myself did not know how to *cook* healthy or thought "I don't have time to cook" but education and experience showed me i was in error.
**we use a meat substitute, of soy protein isolate, but the original recipe called for ground beef of a low fat %, browned, and rinsed in hot water in a colander, then the skillet to be washed clean before the meat was returned to it, with the other ingredients.
Fast food places can sell what ever they like, but *we* don't need to buy it.
I am so proud of each of us here, that we are educated and informed and we will be the healthy ones!
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VYV8
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Posted: 11 Sep 2006 10:49 pm |
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My wife and I do a quick dinner some nights that takes about 10 minutes: in our wok we put whatever non starchy vegetables are left in the fridge (last night half an eggplant, a bell pepper and three carrots) chopped up, a tiny bit of vegetable oil, a tin of skinned tomatos and some garlic, chilli and herbs, and cook it. While it's cooking we boil up some store-bought basic gnocci (about 600 calories in total to share). Put the veggie sauce on the gnocci, and presto! a huge meal you can barely finish that has perhaps 400 or 450 calories, and you're full to the brim! That way you won't be hungry later, either!
On the matter of whether fast food should be sold - I am against anything that takes the choice away from the individual. If people want to buy that #%@&! and eat it, it's their business. We don't have to.
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pipermac
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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 09:33 pm |
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yup...Dont Blame the Fast Food Companies....Blame the People that eat too Much!!!!
Everyone wants to find someone else to blame but themselves. ITs the society we live in...no one wants to take responsibility for there own actions.
No Body forces anyone to Eat what they do...they choose to do it. Its also not Just fast food restaurants....its all restaurants...calculate the calories in most meals at restaurants and you will find insane amounts of Calories.
There Isnt any problem with Burger king selling a Quad Burger! The Problem is with the people that eat it daily! Eating in once in a while wont hurt anyone!
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fsahurie
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Posted: 12 Sep 2006 09:46 pm |
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Agreed!!!
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