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Tankgirl
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 12:29 pm |
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http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/07/19/restaurant.calories.off/index.html?iref=allsearch
Cnn video of calorie testing versus menu on website. Great, for people that actually care and want to know the calories, they're given data that could be off by hundreds of calories -one salad was 600 calories more than quoted on the menu!Last edited on 20 Jul 2011 12:30 pm by Tankgirl
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JSABD
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 02:32 pm |
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Tankgirl wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2011/HEALTH/07/19/restaurant.calories.off/index.html?iref=allsearch
Cnn video of calorie testing versus menu on website. Great, for people that actually care and want to know the calories, they're given data that could be off by hundreds of calories -one salad was 600 calories more than quoted on the menu!
This is important because fat people under count their calories and when they estimate they under estimate.
2000 calories a day will maintain 135 pounds. Add 600 calories a day and your looking at close to 180 pounds maintained.
What you see on food labels is fairly accurate.
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Nir
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 02:40 pm |
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Not quite about restaurants, but some people actually trust food labels on processed foods. One time I was staying in hospital and breakfast was served. I was provided with a single-serve box of cereal which was supposed to have 35 grams. Obsessively, I weighed it anyway. There was 45g of food in the packet. That's 45/35 = 28.6% more than it should have been.
If you are going to make eating out a large part of your overall food intake (and ideally it should not be), pick a place with a salad bar where you can assemble your own salad so that the majority of what you eat (by volume and weight) is fruits, beans raw vegetables, and cooked non-starchy vegetables - limit the rest to tiny amounts and think of them as 'condiments'
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JSABD
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 02:59 pm |
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Other things come into play such as calories and net calories. Some food require more calories to digest. Like and orange vs orange juice. Fibrous foods require more energy to digest than non fiber food.
Some people don't have complete digestion due to various digestive problems so they are not getting all the calories out of the foods they eat.
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zenobia
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 03:07 pm |
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about trusting nutirtion labels- we sell these butter cakes at work, and the label states that there are 150 cals for the whole square. i thought that was awesome because they are really good and it's a decent sized square. but when i examined the label and did the math, there was actually closer to 250 calories (and that is not even with actually weighing it, but converting all the protein, fat, and carbs to cals and doing the math).
lesson learned- if it tastes to good to be true, it probably is...
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JSABD
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 03:54 pm |
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zenobia wrote: about trusting nutirtion labels- we sell these butter cakes at work, and the label states that there are 150 cals for the whole square. i thought that was awesome because they are really good and it's a decent sized square. but when i examined the label and did the math, there was actually closer to 250 calories (and that is not even with actually weighing it, but converting all the protein, fat, and carbs to cals and doing the math).
lesson learned- if it tastes to good to be true, it probably is...
If you calculate the fat grams, carbs and protein you can get the calories.
Here is a good teaching moment.
How many calories in a gram of fat, carbs and protein? When you find out you will look twice at the low carb stuff.
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 06:21 pm |
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What low carb stuff are you talking about?
If you mean the low carb replacements for standard junk foods, you're right. Taking the sugar out and replacing the wheat with soy flour still leaves junk food. Not saying the occasional/ bar shake doesn't come in handy for travel or emergencies.
However, I literally get more mileage out of the same calories when it's primarily fats/ proteins: on Saturday, I typically do 1.5 hrs on a bicycle and try not to die in a workout session.I normally collapse once I get to my parents' house. This week there was about 6 oz of lean pork in the fridge so I ate that for breakfast, it was exiting to notice that I had energy to burn for more miles, and more playing with her dogs.
I've also done 70+ miles on a rib eye steak a few pieces of cheese and frozen strawberries.
And about psychosis/brain damage - Some doctors are using very low carb diets in children to treat epilepsy.
By the way - 9/4/4. If the total number is under the target, what's the point?
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zenobia
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Posted: 20 Jul 2011 08:03 pm |
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Not sure if you were directing that at me or not, but i'll take a shot...
JASBD- i did calculate it with those numbers (1 gram carb=4 cals; 1 gram fat=9 cals; 1 gram protein=4 cals)... that's what i said. what i did NOT do was weigh it. In light of Nir's post about there actually being more in a package of food than what was printed, he came up with a higher calorie count than stated on the package because there was more food. With my product, i cam up with a higher calorie count because the producers screwed up the math somewhere along the line. I DO NOT KNOW if the stated weight of the item was true to what was printed on the package because i did not actually weigh the product.
this is what i was trying to differentiate between- figuring out mistakes in processed food nutrition information based on inaccurate weights, and mistakes based on poor math from the producers.
As far as the low carb stuff, i completely understand your point. a gram of fat is almost twice the amount of cals than carbs and proteins. BUT, this is why i think the south beach diet is ok for some peopl, especially if you are super carb sensitive like i am. carbs are my weakness(yup, even oatmeal and sweet potatoes)- they are a "trigger food" i guess, i gain weight super past from carbs, and they generally make my body feel just plain yucky sometimes. so focusing on LEAN meats, LOW or NO FAT dairy, and going super heavy on the veggies, as well as making sure to get the GOOD fats in (almonds, avacados- in moderation, of course), helps me to get back on track and stay on track (unless i'm about to go on vacation)... i need to stay away from certain foods for a while if i find myself having the munchies. if i have to munch on broccoli because my "diet" dictates it, then i am really really going to pay attention to my hunger signals. plain broccoli? gross. only if i'm very very hungry... if i decide to eat it, i know it is out of true hunger.
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(yes, i read the article on why South Beach is bad... i would like to go over all of it again , as well as my South Beach book, to compare points... but i don't want to get into it here on this forum... i am only describing my experience. if you, JASBD, would like to discuss south beach, we can either do so in another forum or via PM, but not here)
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as far as eating out- don't trust thier info. there are so many hidden calories, too.. order salad with dressing on the side, no croutons, easy on the cheese. go for lean meat salads, but keep in mind that meat could have a lot of butter on it.. if you get steak, ask for the chef not to put butter on it (most steaks are heavily buttered to make them more juicy and add flavor). i guess really, don't be afraid to be kind of a pain in the a$$. ask questions, ask about substitutions, and pay attention to the descriptions of food... you can eat out and be healthy, you just have to be smart about it.
Last edited on 20 Jul 2011 08:42 pm by zenobia
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Tankgirl
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Posted: 22 Jul 2011 07:30 am |
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Zen you sound like my mom and me- every meal we order out sounds like this :
protein/salad (hold the crutons, dressing on the side) double veg no potato/starch/whatever..it's like our version of the big mac jingle, just not as catchy
Then when hub's burger arrives, I steal all of his "greenery".
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